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Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« on: August 13, 2017, 08:56:34 PM »
Great, great read. My god...what a workload of training. Same bodyparts many days per week. Good stuff.

http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Bill_Pearls_Training_Strategies.html



Bill Pearl’s Training Strategies
(Excerpts from a 1980’s Super-Seminar)
By Dennis B. Weis "The Yukon Hercules

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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2017, 07:49:01 PM »
That's a lot of volume. Damn.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2017, 01:42:33 AM »
I think the key is he never went to failure only 85%...

Quote from Bill...

People ask me why I don’t believe in training to failure at a time when the popular notion in bodybuilding is that the only way to make maximum progress is to always go for that last impossible rep (in other words, train to failure). I tell them the answer is quite simple: If you do a workout of, say, nine exercises, three sets per exercise, and in each set you go to failure, which means you couldn’t complete the last rep, what you have done in these 27 sets is trained yourself to fail 27 times! That doesn’t sound like success in my book.
My approach to training has always been to push yourself in your workouts, but do not train to failure! The last rep should be difficult, but not impossible or unachievable. And I’ve always been a great believer that you should leave the gym each day feeling like you had a great workout but you’ve still got a little bit left in the gas tank, so to speak. Because if you don’t leave the gym with the feeling of having something in reserve, you will sooner or later reach a point where your training begins to seem so hellish and burdensome, you will either start missing workouts or stop training altogether. And then where is your progress?

So speaking from experience, I urge you: Train hard, yes, but not to failure. Complete what you start — and that means every rep. I believe that this approach will not only ensure that you’ll stay with your training program year after year (obviously training longevity is a very important aspect of all of this) but you’ll also make the greatest progress. Why? Because you’ll be training yourself for success in each and every rep, set and workout. Your training will be a positive rather than negative experience. And you’ll be much more likely to keep your enthusiasm high and to avoid injury, overtraining and mental burnout.

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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2017, 04:26:28 AM »
yes only psychos train to failure all the time

and then they spread their gospel because they think other people are as psycho as they are

show me one guy with somekind of normal life who wanna go down in the "dungeon" and mimic what dorian did for years and years on end.


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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 04:37:35 AM »
Also has said you don't need more than 50 grams of protein a day or something like that.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 04:56:42 AM »
Interesting.
I've always wondered what kind of training may be the "best" to grow and it seems like one of the key ingredients is to have lots of volume.
Louie Simmons also said that growth comes from high rep workouts done many times a week.
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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 04:40:55 AM »
Yates proved that volume is nonsense.

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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 04:52:10 AM »
yates proved jack and shit

most mr olympias dont train like yates. and yet they ended up winning over and over and over again

a lot of them have LESS injuries than he did, both at the time and after their career.

which means yates is the fool.


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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 05:02:43 AM »
yates proved jack and shit

most mr olympias dont train like yates. and yet they ended up winning over and over and over again

a lot of them have LESS injuries than he did, both at the time and after their career.

which means yates is the fool.

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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 05:13:32 AM »
Yates proved that volume is nonsense.

Maybe the look of his muscle was better due to heavy training, but it seems that "blowing up" via a higehr volume approach is a bit safer.
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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2017, 05:49:07 AM »
Bill Pearl/may 1980

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2017, 06:07:51 AM »
dude stood his ground with AJ and didn't back down

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2017, 06:13:36 AM »
Bill Pearl/may 1980

I never see any shots of Pearl from the back.

Never seen a rear lat spread.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2017, 01:06:58 PM »
bodybuilders have never really caught on to the fact just about every other type of athlete does periods of lower intensity higher volume work and periods of higher intensity lower volume work... it's called periodization.

Generally they train long and easy at the start of a peaking cycle and buildup to harder and shorter workouts as the event gets closer. The last few weeks they taper off the intensity to be rested for competition.

Yates actually talked about how he did in fact taper back the intensity of his training the last month before a show... stopping forced reps etc.

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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2017, 01:11:50 PM »
yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.


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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2017, 03:21:39 PM »
yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.

Great English.

yates has 0 to learn anyone when it comes to training.

No, just his Night of the Champions victory, his slew of Grand Prix titles, and... oh yeah, his six Mr. Olympia titles.

Only lost twice as a pro.

Still has his health and physique as opposed to 98% of the other guys - including Coleman. ::)

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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 03:22:54 PM »
Does anyone have any Pearl back pictures.

I'm pretty sure I have never seen one.

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 03:35:03 PM »
I never get this high volume vs low volume argument. You want to lift for hours, be my guest. You want to get into the gym and out in 45 minutes a few days a week, do that. I personally am quite content lifting briefly and intensely- it keeps my interest high. As a natural, there is only so far you will get lifting after the first few years anyways. I added 30 pounds in the first 3 years and after that- zilch 160 to 190 pounds with the same body fat levels. I lift to maintain strength and muscle. Short workouts do exactly that.

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2017, 03:35:25 PM »
Great English.

No, just his Night of the Champions victory, his slew of Grand Prix titles, and... oh yeah, his six Mr. Olympia titles.

Only lost twice as a pro.

Still has his health and physique as opposed to 98% of the other guys - including Coleman. ::)

who are those 98% ?

cutler?
dexter?
haney?
heath?

dorian competed during 12 years
dexter been competing for 25 years

if he wouldve trained like dorian theres no way he would've stayed in the game for that long.

like i said, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LEARN FROM DORIAN.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2017, 03:38:17 PM »
Does anyone have any Pearl back pictures.

I'm pretty sure I have never seen one.
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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2017, 04:25:54 PM »
Yates proved that volume is nonsense.

How is that?

Bill and all the other guys have trained/train all their lives with basically high/Med volume and continued to do so decades after competing.

Dorian basically has not trained in his style since he stopped competing and on Joe Rogan  he has  flat out said that he just does Yoga and cycling now.(not a knock on him, just fact)

The only thing he proved was his style WORKED FOR HIM when he was competing, that kind of training did jack shit for him when he stopped because he could not keep that kind of intenisty he had to that level, and his body gave out in 1997 leading up to his last OLympia. Mike mentzer and Arthur Jones also promoted this low volume etc versions they had themselves where you could gain by being in and out of the gym in 30-45 minutes 3-4 times a week yet neither could find the time to train themselves the last couple of decades before dying, yet they sold to people that they SHOULD make time for these brief workouts lol

To Bill' credit in that seminar he was pointing out 2 things when he spoke of volume....the first being that he does all that volume because he likes being in the gym and that he could get the same thing from half as much(hint hint), and 2 when he mentions that arm vlume in the first part he was talking about specialization, not forever, as most likely someone asked about fucking arms and the writer left that part out which does not matter because nobody ever asks how to bring up calves or legs(oh brother  ::) ) but only arms
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2017, 05:19:07 PM »
who are those 98% ?

cutler?
dexter?
haney?
heath?

dorian competed during 12 years
dexter been competing for 25 years

if he wouldve trained like dorian theres no way he would've stayed in the game for that long.

like i said, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO LEARN FROM DORIAN.

Cutler? Please.

Dexter?  They gave the little guy a Sandow to keep interest in this pseudo-sport from waning.  It didn't work.

Haney?

Read Haney articles and listen to him.

He did not do volume.

3 sets per exercise.

12 sets for entire bodypart.

Heath???? :D

And why do you assume Yates wants to compete for twenty-five years? Who does that?  Losers like Dexter who used to live off of whomever was his girlfriend at the time?

Who the fuck would want to train like that and diet like that for a fucking quarter century?  A fucking idiot with no life, that's who.

A pathetic attempt to achieve past glory and take home a silly plastic trophy. The prize money doesn't even pay for the steroid cycle and the diuretics.

Anyone would rather be out of it with money, decent health and six Sandows.

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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2017, 05:25:41 PM »
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Thanks for the pic, jwb. :) 8)


Bill and all the other guys have trained/train all their lives with basically high/Med volume and continued to do so decades after competing.

Dorian basically has not trained in his style since he stopped competing and on Joe Rogan  he has  flat out said that he just does Yoga and cycling now.(not a knock on him, just fact)

The only thing he proved was his style WORKED FOR HIM when he was competing, that kind of training did jack shit for him when he stopped because he could not keep that kind of intenisty he had to that level, and his body gave out in 1997 leading up to his last OLympia.

But remember that he is not trying to maintain that physique as a retired bodybuilder. It would be foolish to continue that level of training intensity.


To Bill' credit in that seminar he was pointing out 2 things when he spoke of volume....the first being that he does all that volume because he likes being in the gym and that he could get the same thing from half as much(hint hint)


Are you saying Bill didn't use roids? Dude, come on.


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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2017, 05:39:27 PM »
Thanks for the pic, jwb. :) 8)


But remember that he is not trying to maintain that physique as a retired bodybuilder. It would be foolish to continue that level of training intensity.

 

Are you saying Bill didn't use roids? Dude, come on.



Actually I was not even thinking of roids until you broought it up

Speaking of which this is a good video the first 5 to 10 minutes on that subject of training on drugs versus off

these guys response is 100% on for the excuse making  morons out there

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Re: Bill Pearl’s 1980 Training Strategies Seminar
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2017, 05:45:11 PM »
still not a single argument why anybody - anybody - should train like dorian. that includes dorian himself.