Oxycontin & Fentanyl - Discussion - People dying

[Matt]

It appears that there is a situations wherein people are dying because fake Oxycontin pills are being pressed from bulk Fentanyl or Carfentanyl powder from China.  Here in Canada, it seems that there are even situations where people insufflate a line of cocaine, only to die from a Fentanyl overdose.  To be fair, I'm not sure on the quantities being consumed for these overdoses to happen, but there appears to be some truth in the notion that a person can die despite being completely responsible with their usage.

Does anyone know roughly what is going on here?  For example, are people just taking a normal-sized quantity of Oxycontin and dropping dead?  Or are the people dying due to taking massive amounts?

Is there any way to test for this?  I believe Dave Palumbo was selling steroid testing kits on Species Nutrition.

[Simple Simon]

esfitness just having a pre-workout drink before he responds to this.....

[gib]

I think it's a bit of both. But more that it's not mixed properly and that some versions have a way higher dosage. So it's kind of risky. Like what happened with Piana.

[Dave D]

Matt why do you always mention your weight and non steroid use as being health conscious but you're willing to use prescription drugs for recreational purposes?

You don't think dabbling with very addictive opiate based drugs is dangerous for you and your children who need their father?

I fear for your health bro

[Matt]

Matt why do you always mention your weight and non steroid use as being health conscious but you're willing to use prescription drugs for recreational purposes?

You don't think dabbling with very addictive opiate based drugs is dangerous for you and your children who need their father?

I fear for your health bro

 

As I have stated, I received a prescription of Percocet once, and it was literally the most heavenly substance I ever consumed in my life.  I couldn't believe how amazing it was.  This coming from a guy who is put into a state of literal psychosis from marijuana.  Do you have any idea how pleased I was to find a substance that worked for me when nothing else did?

Also, people are prescribed opiates for literally decades - they are not toxic substances.  The issue is dependence, overdose, and, realistically, constipation.

Those who have the psychological constitution to do it once in a blue moon and put it away don't have anything to worry about.  I absolutely DOUBT that there is any possible way a night Oxycodone is more toxic to your organs than alcohol.  When was the last time you heard of a person prescribed alcohol for 30+ years?  My friend's mother has been on Fentanyl since 1984.

Fentanyl.

Daily.

For 33 years.

So no - I don't have any firm reason to believe that opiates are toxic to the organs in any way.  As said, the issue is dependence and overdose.  If you skirt those two issues, it is most likely the "healthiest" drug possible.

WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS AS PERMISSION TO DO OPIATES.  IF YOU HAVE AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY, OPIATES MAY WELL RUIN YOUR LIFE.

I'm simply saying that for those who do not have ADDICTIVE personalities, opiates are probably the best thing for them.  I got a full health test during the peak use of Oxycodone and everything was perfect, including a resting heart rate of 47.

The fear in my mind is not opiates - but the possibility of fakes.  THAT scares the hell out of me.

And as you said, I am father - as of recently, to three children.  It would be wildly irresponsible for me to indulge in opiates on any sort of basis.  Is it ok to go to Cloud 9 once in a blue moon?  Why not?  Not that I'm saying that I do that or anything.  

 

[Mobil]

Funny you post this..just saw a documentary about it literally 30min ago...it said the Chinese are manufacturing it and local drug dealers are using it to cut their heroine for profit.  There are no laws currently to control it..they make a new chemical changing the structure, slightly.  Then  once that gets banned they change it again..much like bath salts

[Fallsview]

Matt, Do a couple shots of Round UP and get back to us.





STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hypertrophy]

I took Oxycontin after a hernia operation- I was prescribed a whole bottle to use at home while I was laid up. After just one pill I realized this was one of the most powerful painkillers I ever had experienced - Dilaudid being the all time king ( given IV to pass a bad kidney stone). Anyone who believes that you won't get addicted or strongly habituated to this stuff is fooling themselves.

I tossed the Oxycontin prescription after one dose. I preferred to recover feeling the pain than becoming dependent on such a powerful substance.

[Walter Sobchak]

As I have stated, I received a prescription of Percocet once, and it was literally the most heavenly substance I ever consumed in my life.  I couldn't believe how amazing it was.  This coming from a guy who is put into a state of literal psychosis from marijuana.  Do you have any idea how pleased I was to find a substance that worked for me when nothing else did?

Also, people are prescribed opiates for literally decades - they are not toxic substances.  The issue is dependence, overdose, and, realistically, constipation.

Those who have the psychological constitution to do it once in a blue moon and put it away don't have anything to worry about.  I absolutely DOUBT that there is any possible way a night Oxycodone is more toxic to your organs than alcohol.  When was the last time you heard of a person prescribed alcohol for 30+ years?  My friend's mother has been on Fentanyl since 1984.

Fentanyl.

Daily.

For 33 years.

So no - I don't have any firm reason to believe that opiates are toxic to the organs in any way.  As said, the issue is dependence and overdose.  If you skirt those two issues, it is most likely the "healthiest" drug possible.

WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS AS PERMISSION TO DO OPIATES.  IF YOU HAVE AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY, OPIATES MAY WELL RUIN YOUR LIFE.

I'm simply saying that for those who do not have ADDICTIVE personalities, opiates are probably the best thing for them.  I got a full health test during the peak use of Oxycodone and everything was perfect, including a resting heart rate of 47.

The fear in my mind is not opiates - but the possibility of fakes.  THAT scares the hell out of me.

And as you said, I am father - as of recently, to three children.  It would be wildly irresponsible for me to indulge in opiates on any sort of basis.  Is it ok to go to Cloud 9 once in a blue moon?  Why not?  Not that I'm saying that I do that or anything.  

 

You're good with a few ounces a day of Fentanyl as a dosage.

Trust me.

I mean you juiced to get all the way to 168 lbs. You're the Rich Piano of Western Ontario (southern part).

[Spike]

All the nancies that lean on this shit are weak, do-what-I'm-told , I watch a lot of cable tv , types


You get hurt or have some surgeries and 'I was prescribed them'

Ok , so you admittingly abused the drugs if your prescribed them or you lied when you when back and stated you were in more pain than you were (drug seeking behavior)

You failed


But god forbid anyone smoke cannabis ?

I broke my right hand on some dudes face , had surgery - titanium plate and 6 screws in 4th metacarpal
Didn't take one pain pill - smoked the whole time and was back lifting 6 weeks later after my split was off , I stay above 250lb and never let it affect my grip


Simple minded get hooked on synthetic drugs


Oh and look at all the people dying from overdosing this stuff and cannabis is helping people with cancer and you have ZERO RECEPTORS IN YIUR BRAIN STEM FOR CANNABIS/cannabanoid receivers -- you can never overdoses

[Fortress]

You use rec drugs and get dead ... oh, well.

Why we pretend (I suppose some libcucks truly care) to be so concerned that loser druggies are ODing baffles.

It's like Piana. People make choices in life. If your choices result in a premature or horrific death, that's what you get.

To state many dropping from fentanyl (or whatever) is a societal "crisis" is absolute f aggotry. The weak and foolish will always find ways to mess up their shit.

[ESFitness]

esfitness just having a pre-workout drink before he responds to this.....

Actually about 9 a.m. I was just getting prepped for surgery sorry dude. Post-surgery I actually got about 600 mg of fentanyl though... Still wasnt enough

[NarcissisticDeity]

As I have stated, I received a prescription of Percocet once, and it was literally the most heavenly substance I ever consumed in my life.  I couldn't believe how amazing it was.  This coming from a guy who is put into a state of literal psychosis from marijuana.  Do you have any idea how pleased I was to find a substance that worked for me when nothing else did?

Also, people are prescribed opiates for literally decades - they are not toxic substances.  The issue is dependence, overdose, and, realistically, constipation.

Those who have the psychological constitution to do it once in a blue moon and put it away don't have anything to worry about.  I absolutely DOUBT that there is any possible way a night Oxycodone is more toxic to your organs than alcohol.  When was the last time you heard of a person prescribed alcohol for 30+ years?  My friend's mother has been on Fentanyl since 1984.

Fentanyl.

Daily.

For 33 years.

So no - I don't have any firm reason to believe that opiates are toxic to the organs in any way.  As said, the issue is dependence and overdose.  If you skirt those two issues, it is most likely the "healthiest" drug possible.

WARNING: DO NOT USE THIS AS PERMISSION TO DO OPIATES.  IF YOU HAVE AN ADDICTIVE PERSONALITY, OPIATES MAY WELL RUIN YOUR LIFE.

I'm simply saying that for those who do not have ADDICTIVE personalities, opiates are probably the best thing for them.  I got a full health test during the peak use of Oxycodone and everything was perfect, including a resting heart rate of 47.

The fear in my mind is not opiates - but the possibility of fakes.  THAT scares the hell out of me.

And as you said, I am father - as of recently, to three children.  It would be wildly irresponsible for me to indulge in opiates on any sort of basis.  Is it ok to go to Cloud 9 once in a blue moon?  Why not?  Not that I'm saying that I do that or anything.  

 

Grow up you're a father now , it's not about you anymore. I've seen addictions ruin multiple families first hand , it's NOT worth the risks. Cloud 9 can be seen in your children's smiles look no where else for it.

[Parker]

All the nancies that lean on this shit are weak, do-what-I'm-told , I watch a lot of cable tv , types


You get hurt or have some surgeries and 'I was prescribed them'

Ok , so you admittingly abused the drugs if your prescribed them or you lied when you when back and stated you were in more pain than you were (drug seeking behavior)

You failed


But god forbid anyone smoke cannabis ?

I broke my right hand on some dudes face , had surgery - titanium plate and 6 screws in 4th metacarpal
Didn't take one pain pill - smoked the whole time and was back lifting 6 weeks later after my split was off , I stay above 250lb and never let it affect my grip


Simple minded get hooked on synthetic drugs


Oh and look at all the people dying from overdosing this stuff and cannabis is helping people with cancer and you have ZERO RECEPTORS IN YIUR BRAIN STEM FOR CANNABIS/cannabanoid receivers -- you can never overdoses

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/amp/report-marijuana-users-risk-schizophrenia-drug-helps-pain-n706196

Not saying don't smoke, just be cautious.

[Mobil]

this was also on the documentary...very poisonous stuff.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cop-overdoses-after-touching-fentanyl-police-chief-says-he-couldve-died

[Spike]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/amp/report-marijuana-users-risk-schizophrenia-drug-helps-pain-n706196

Not saying don't smoke, just be cautious.

I've seen stuff like this ...

I honestly grow my own - use hydroponic ebb n flow set up with some MH lights
Took some botany/horticultural classes at Baylor when I was there


Once you grow you discover it's a simple plant THAT IS BANNED - someone says we can't have a part of nature - and when I say grow I mean I do extractions and make concentrates as well , also grow a variety of 1:1 thc to cbd ratio --- grow medical cannabis and strains to help with inflammation and one that help with anxiety


I workout 5 days a week , yea I get sore sometimes (Gh test help) but I don't take Tylenol , pain pills , NSAIDs, stopped taking sleeping pills and even my anxiety meds I stoppped (except when I'm on eq)

[Top Poodle]

this is a great thing.  i say, lace more narcotics with fentanyl.  all the dealers are doing illegal shit anyway, narcotics don't belong in the world, why are we letting junkies be a drain on society?  this is natural selection at its finest.  keep hormones safe and pure, lace narcotics with more and more fentanyl, and watch the junkies in the world go bye-bye.

duterte has the right idea here

[JAGO]

esfitness just having a pre-workout drink before he responds to this.....

That was fucken funny,

J

[Powerlift66]

Is it an epidemic everywhere in country (and Canada) like it is here in New England?
People are dropping dead every day around here, an epidemic for sure...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2017-06-28/why-new-hampshire-has-one-of-the-highest-rates-of-opioid-related-deaths

[Parker]

I've seen stuff like this ...

I honestly grow my own - use hydroponic ebb n flow set up with some MH lights
Took some botany/horticultural classes at Baylor when I was there


Once you grow you discover it's a simple plant THAT IS BANNED - someone says we can't have a part of nature - and when I say grow I mean I do extractions and make concentrates as well , also grow a variety of 1:1 thc to cbd ratio --- grow medical cannabis and strains to help with inflammation and one that help with anxiety


I workout 5 days a week , yea I get sore sometimes (Gh test help) but I don't take Tylenol , pain pills , NSAIDs, stopped taking sleeping pills and even my anxiety meds I stoppped (except when I'm on eq)

But, can you beat big pharma or big tobacco once they get ahold of it? You know that they would want no competition to their products. And since Tobacco has been stigmatized, and it is a plant, and marijuana is the cool one, all they have to do is switch over. You can see the logic after that.

[Nether Animal]

Fentanyl is no joke. I Know someone with a decent heroin tolerance who "fell out" from a mere pinch of it

[liberty]

I live in a decent neighborhood north of Boston...its an epidemic here for sure.
My neighbor, only a few houses away from me, has a nephew that lives with them.
Kid is about 20 years old
In the last year he has OD 6 times.
Every time it happens the response is a fire truck, 2 police cruisers and at least one ambulance.
They give him as many doses of Narcan that it takes to revive him.
Then they pack it in and say have a nice day and leave.Thats it....every fucking time.
No penalty....no fines...no community service handed out by a judge.....NADA
Next time I'm gonna cut the ambulance off so they can't get to him....fucking ridiculous.
Finally the kid who weighs I'd say around 400 pounds just walks his Pug on a leash around the neighborhood and gets drug dealers to drop his shit off at the house. Where the fuck does it end?

[Las Vegas]

But, can you beat big pharma or big tobacco once they get ahold of it? You know that they would want no competition to their products. And since Tobacco has been stigmatized, and it is a plant, and marijuana is the cool one, all they have to do is switch over. You can see the logic after that.

Feds would have to give it up, first.

But then again, since corporate $$ and government are so well attached, and with the rest of us being losers in the game, I'd bet money that's the way it'll happen in the big picture.

[Las Vegas]

^ But I can't see them associating cigarette brands with it, and they may not even want anyone to know it's their money behind it.

And the trends, now, don't involve the "old fashioned" plant flower.  It's these weird little "extractions" of various types, which (for one thing) will provide the convenient "coca leaves vs. crack" argument in the future. 

All unfolding now, right in front of us.  What a bunch of troublemakers in this world.

[macgyver]

Never understood people doing certain drugs. Lets become a junky and become addicted! Maybe one day I could blow some mandingo so I can get a hit before I get sick from withdraws! People are stupid, this is just a perfect example of it.