Gregg Valentino - Re Dallas McCarver - Who is to blame?

[Disgusted]

This is related to supplement industry. The two go hand in hand, billions of dollars. A corrupt organization, and a corrupt industry that has been unregulated and claims to be dietary supplementation.
The most popular bodybuilder of all time is Arnold, and he was governor of California, and he has talked about cleaning up bodybuilding, or rewarding physiques that are not a bloated mess.

The supplement industry falls way further out side the scope of bodybuilders. You can't regulate a nitch sport without effecting the other 90% of the other users.  Bodybuilders dont make up billions of dollars worth of sales.

[Parker]

The supplement industry falls way further out side the scope of bodybuilders. You can't regulate a nitch sport without effecting the other 90% of the other users.  Bodybuilders dont make up billions of dollars worth of sales.

the bodybuilders are the spokespeople. More high profile deaths, bring the scope onto bodybuilding, and as such the supplement industry. Let's not forget that bodybuilders are using illegal substances, and often are using rec drugs as well. If there are those who want to crusade regulations, and have a bone to pick with the non FDA approved supps because of Sen. Orrin Hatch ( https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opinion/the-politics-of-fraudulent-dietary-supplements.html)
You have the supp industry, bodybuilding, illegal drug usage all wrapped up and bow-tied.

[a_pupil]

ahnuld is the only guy rich enough to change bodybuilding. he could start his own regulated org that works like an actual professional body instead of an extortion ring like the npc and ifbb.

these idiots pay fees to these two bodies for no reason.

[deadz]

Valentino is a know nothing loud mouth douche.

[Disgusted]

the bodybuilders are the spokespeople. More high profile deaths, bring the scope onto bodybuilding, and as such the supplement industry. Let's not forget that bodybuilders are using illegal substances, and often are using rec drugs as well. If there are those who want to crusade regulations, and have a bone to pick with the non FDA approved supps because of Sen. Orrin Hatch ( https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/opinion/the-politics-of-fraudulent-dietary-supplements.html)
You have the supp industry, bodybuilding, illegal drug usage all wrapped up and bow-tied.

NO one who died is high profile. We don't officially know what Dallas or Rich died from. Orrin has been trying all his life to regulate supplements most of his "career"  he's got one foot in the grave so that's a positive.

The senate just can't ban supps because a couple guys died, one from choking and another we have no clue why and may never know. What fraudulent dietary supplements are you peaking of specifically? Everyone makes claims today all the way up to the biggest companies that don't even remotely have anything to do with BB. Sure they can ban hormone like substances but I'm not sure what you really are getting at specifically. I'm not being a jackass I honestly want to know.

[Nether Animal]

Why is "choking" so hard to spell all of a sudden?

[Man of Steel]

How do you justify providing medical insurance for a population of glorified beauty pageant contestants that are serious drug addicts with a nonsensical do whatever it takes to live the dream attitude?

[Taffin]

Why is "choking" so hard to spell all of a sudden?

I now!  Even I could of told you it was spelled as "chocking"?

Your welcome.

[Van_Bilderass]

He's actually got good points. How many deaths is it going to take for regulation to be implemented.  Not sure where the regulation lines would be drawn but there has to be something.  Stress test on the heart, blood pressure, values etc...  If you have a resting HR of say 120+ you shouldn't be competing.

I wrote this on promuscle:


Constant cough for a year, sounds like tren to me

This getting physicals idea has been floated before. But I see many problems with implementing it. First of all there can't be simultaneous drug testing because the sport is drugs. Then you have to decide where to set the health parameters and which parameters to check. A snapshot of BP or heartrate means nothing, and the guys would just pop a beta-blocker and diuretic to pass if needed. Some kind of heart scan to check heart size and function? What if half the Olympia line-up were told they can't compete now or ever again? Kidney values out of range? Same thing, you're going to tell many guys it's over? Or what if the athlete says or even proves he has a congenital defect?

BTW, high BP is probably not a concern at show time, more like the opposite. A better idea would be to set a minimum BP instead to make sure the guys don't faint. I remember Duchaine's diuretic advice: do small shots of IV loop diuretics, keep checking BP and when it's just high enough so you can still stand you're dry enough.

Recrational drugs, the guys would just get scripts for the speed and pain killers. What, you're going to tell poor Pro X he can't treat his ADHD or blown out back?

Then you have the political problem of letting the guys dope while getting docs involved who know they dope while trying to keep them healthy. Which doctor would attach his name to that?

I just don't see how this would be workable in practise. What does everyone else here think?

As far as a bodybuilders union, iirc Bob Chicherillo tried that (as well as group insurance) but the bodybuilders didn't bite - afraid they would fuck up their placings in a subjective sport if they unionized and started making demands on the IFBB.

[Simple Simon]

I wrote this on promuscle:


Constant cough for a year, sounds like tren to me

This getting physicals idea has been floated before. But I see many problems with implementing it. First of all there can't be simultaneous drug testing because the sport is drugs. Then you have to decide where to set the health parameters and which parameters to check. A snapshot of BP or heartrate means nothing, and the guys would just pop a beta-blocker and diuretic to pass if needed. Some kind of heart scan to check heart size and function? What if half the Olympia line-up were told they can't compete now or ever again? Kidney values out of range? Same thing, you're going to tell many guys it's over? Or what if the athlete says or even proves he has a congenital defect?

BTW, high BP is probably not a concern at show time, more like the opposite. A better idea would be to set a minimum BP instead to make sure the guys don't faint. I remember Duchaine's diuretic advice: do small shots of IV loop diuretics, keep checking BP and when it's just high enough so you can still stand you're dry enough.

Recrational drugs, the guys would just get scripts for the speed and pain killers. What, you're going to tell poor Pro X he can't treat his ADHD or blown out back?

Then you have the political problem of letting the guys dope while getting docs involved who know they dope while trying to keep them healthy. Which doctor would attach his name to that?

I just don't see how this would be workable in practise. What does everyone else here think?

As far as a bodybuilders union, iirc Bob Chicherillo tried that (as well as group insurance) but the bodybuilders didn't bite - afraid they would fuck up their placings in a subjective sport if they unionized and started making demands on the IFBB.

banning guts would be a start.

[Van_Bilderass]

banning guts would be a start.

Kind of hard to do in practise  

Just penalizing guts is hard too. Take Ronnie at
the 2003 Olympia. Horrible gut but what do you
with a guy like that, first place, cut him a few places or put him last? Even the guys who hate guts were like, "fuckin hell, he wins through sheer mass, even with the gut".

If you decided the placings at the 2003 Olympia, where would you have put Ronnie?

[WalterWhite]

So he says this in the YT thread.

I KNOW THE STORY,,,YOU DID NOT WATCH THE VIDEO OR YOU WOULD NOT SAY THAT1!!!..BTW HE DID NOT JUST CHOKE ON FOOD,,WHAT CAUSED IT???....DO YOU KNOW???,,,..I DO!!!!


If someone knows why is it a big secret??  We know how the other guys died but this is a secret??  Maybe it would help someone.

[Randomum]

Great points, especially saying how many pro athletes in other sports have to pay to play in their league, it makes no sense.

Its not a sport folks. Get it through your head guys its a pageant. I obviously follow it but this has no athletic component. Its a pageant for people who can build muscle and have good response to drugs.

Athletic ability nor strength are a component of these pageants.

[SomeKindofMonster]

I'm not even referring to the dangers of insulin
when I write this BUT; Bodybuilding would be better
off without it. It gets guys bigger but  they lose a lot
of detail, peaks & valleys in the process.
I call it the glazed donut look.
Watch one of Bostin Loyd's old videos where he talks about
how Slin bloats his stomach & the proof is right there in the video.
He's 21 or so in the video & has a bubble gut.
We'll never see Dorian like granite condition with Slin.
I've heard some knowledgeable people say it allows fat
to accumulate between the muscle fibers so the fat under
the skin can be very low but the separation is blurred because
of  said effect. Steroids & HGH should be enough.
Found the vid..
4:34 shows his Slin bloat..

 

[The Ugly]

Why is "choking" so hard to spell all of a sudden?

Definately seems so, huh.

[njflex]

I'm not even referring to the dangers of insulin
when I write this BUT; Bodybuilding would be better
off without it. It gets guys bigger but  they lose a lot
of detail, peaks & valleys in the process.
I call it the glazed donut look.
Watch one of Bostin Loyd's old videos where he talks about
how Slin bloats his stomach & the proof is right there in the video.
He's 21 or so in the video & has a bubble gut.
We'll never see Dorian like granite condition with Slin.
I've heard some knowledgeable people say it allows fat
to accumulate between the muscle fibers so the fat under
the skin can be very low but the separation is blurred because
of  said effect. Steroids & HGH should be enough.
Found the vid..
4:34 shows his Slin bloat..

 

Despite all his use/so called knowledge here at this stage all he looked like was a bloated  gymrat eating bulky foods'pizza/donuts with a creatine bloat smoothness ..last few yrs his build changed to a more respectable size/muscle/look with the cycles..

[Simple Simon]

Despite all his use/so called knowledge here at this stage all he looked like was a bloated  gymrat eating bulky foods'pizza/donuts with a creatine bloat smoothness ..last few yrs his build changed to a more respectable size/muscle/look with the cycles..

he's only ever 2 months away from that mess sat on the bed.

this was him just nine days out the gym

[njflex]

he's only ever 2 months away from that mess sat on the bed.

this was him just nine days out the gym

well I'm talking last 2 yrs when he competed and actually dieted /trained around all his 'off'times,,due to site injection infections,or other things

[Pet shop boys]

I was with him up until he mentioned Arnold (around 9 mins mark)

Arnold is the worse example to use because Joe Weider brought him to Cali, took care of him house, car , a weekly paycheck etc .... 

and even at same age of Dallas 27, and WINNING the Mr.O each year!  he had it and wanted to move out of BB on to bigger and better things !

and did it



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH

[SomeKindofMonster]

Despite all his use/so called knowledge here at this stage all he looked like was a bloated  gymrat eating bulky foods'pizza/donuts with a creatine bloat smoothness ..last few yrs his build changed to a more respectable size/muscle/look with the cycles..

Yea, he stays pretty damn lean and vascular.
Not a fan but he has built some pretty impressive
arms using Synthol to stretch the facia.
He says it's because he puts it deep in the muscle
where it doesn't look oily.
Without drugs he would be nothing
but he has built some damn impressive forearms.
I honestly think HGH helps with forearm growth.
He looked like he had bad genes for forearms early on.

[K1RB]

I cant wait until this fool dies...

[Parker]

Kind of hard to do in practise  

Just penalizing guts is hard too. Take Ronnie at
the 2003 Olympia. Horrible gut but what do you
with a guy like that, first place, cut him a few places or put him last? Even the guys who hate guts were like, "fuckin hell, he wins through sheer mass, even with the gut".

If you decided the placings at the 2003 Olympia, where would you have put Ronnie?

Ronnie is an anomaly. But, one must be strict, no guts, even the reigning Mr. O. If he has a guy, he risks losing contest, period. They must severely mark down for it. High profile guys at contests who have guys must be made an example of, and marked down for having a gut.

[Ronnie Rep]

Ronnie is an anomaly. But, one must be strict, no guts, even the reigning Mr. O. If he has a guy, he risks losing contest, period. They must severely mark down for it. High profile guys at contests who have guys must be made an example of, and marked down for having a gut.

Brandon Curry should be replacing Phil this year. I have it on good authority he will be rewarded with the O this year.

[Mitch]

THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE SPORT OF BODYBUILDING IS ARNOLD AND THAT SELFISH - GREEDY MOMO IS NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING!!....HE AND HIS OTHER WOLVES ARE MAKING BOATLOADS OF MONEY WHILE THE COMPETITORS GET NOTHING!!!!...IF ARNOLD REALLY CARED ABBOT BODYBUILDING HE WOULD HELP THE COMPETITORS EARN A LIVING WITHOUT HAVING TO WHORE THEMSELVES OUT FOR PEANUTS TO SUPPLEMENT COMPANIES AND GET COMPETITORS SOME SORT OF MEDICAL PROTECTION,,, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE DRUGS INVOLVED IN THIS SPORT!!!!... INSTEAD ARNOLD HELPS THE OTHER WOLVES MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY BY SQUEEZING THE COMPETITORS FOR PAY TO PLAY MONEY!!!..ARNOLD HAS DONE NOTHING FOR THE COMPETITORS,,,ON THE CONTRARY HE IS HOLDING THEM BACK!!!...YES HE HAS BROUGHT BIG MONEY INTO THE SPORT BUT IT DOES NOT GO TO THE COMPETITORS,, ON THE CONTRARY,, IT COST THEM MONEY JUST TO COMPETE AND IF THEY DON'T PLACE THEY DID IT FOR NOTHING!!!!!.....

    .AS AN EX-COMPETITOR HIMSELF ARNOLD SHOULD WANT HUGE
CHANGES FOR HIS PEERS ...LIKE MEDICAL COVERAGE,, INSURANCE SO IF A PRO
BODYBUILDER GETS HURT HIS BILLS ARE COVERED AND HE STILL GETS
COMPENSATED!!!! ....THERE SHOULD BE A RETIREMENT PACKAGE OFFERED TO ALL PROS SO WHEN THEY RETIRE THEY HAVE SOMETHING COMING IN!!!!....THERE SHOULD BE MANDATORY PHYSICALS EVERY 4 to 6 MONTHS AND IF YOU FAIL YOU CAN NOT COMPETE!!!!.....THERE SHOULD BE DRUG TESTING FOR SHIT LIKE INSULIN,,,DNP,,,AND EXCESSIVE STEROID USAGE >>> YOU CAN NOT ASK FOR 100% NATURAL DRUG TESTING IT WOULD KILL THE SPORT BUT IF A GUYS TESTOSTERONE LEVEL READS 10,000 YOU KNOW HE IS ON MASSIVE
AMOUNTS...THERE SHOULD BE A TESTOSTERONE LEVEL THAT NEVER GETS PASSED ORYOU ARE SUSPEND!!!..IF GIRLS TEST POSITIVE FOR ANY STEROID THEY GET SUSPENDED!!!!...A FEMALE SHOULD NOT BE ON MALE HORMONES!!!!!.... THERE SHOULD BE DRUG TESTING FOR RECREATIONAL DRUGS INCLUDING POT!!!!!.....IF YOU TEST POSITIVE LIKE IN ANY OTHER SPORT YOU ARE SUSPENDED ESPECIALLY SINCE BODYBUILDING IS A SPORT WHERE YOU ARE ALREADY TAKING DRUGS AND YOUR HEART,,, LIVER & KIDNEYS HAVE ENOUGH DRAMA,,,MIXING STEROIDS AND RECREATIONAL DRUGS IS A TIME-BOMB FOR YOUR ORGANS!!!!!!......UNTIL THESE CHANGES ARE MADE NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!!!!....IF ARNOLD OPENED HIS LYING BIG MOUTH THOSE CHANGES WOULD GET MADE,, HE ALONE HAS POWER BUT NO ONE ELSE!!!!....THE OTHER WOLVES WILL NOT GO AGAINST ARNOLD,, HE MAKES THEM TOO MUCH MONEY!!!!!!.....BESIDES THERE IS A MAFIA IN BODYBUILDING BUT THE GOD FATHER IS NOT WHO YOU THINK IT IS,, IT'S ARNOLD!!!!!

I agree on the fact Arnold is a greedy momo but bodybuilding is not a sport