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« Reply #375 on: September 30, 2017, 04:22:38 PM »

Take that shit up with Shawn who's claiming he won in 97  Wink

According to many, Shawn Ray should of won once, as should of Flex Wheeler. 
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« Reply #376 on: September 30, 2017, 04:30:50 PM »

your a weirdo who loves arguing moot points for hundreds of pages, and I am sure you will ruin this thread too if Ron doesn't step in

You're an idiot.
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« Reply #377 on: September 30, 2017, 04:32:43 PM »

According to many, Shawn Ray should of won once, as should of Flex Wheeler. 

According to a bunch of independent judges they say he shouldn't have won. If they got it right when he won they certainly got it right it when he lost.

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« Reply #378 on: September 30, 2017, 04:34:26 PM »

 Smiley


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« Reply #379 on: September 30, 2017, 04:35:09 PM »

Shawn, what's the biggest mistake that top NPC guys make that prevents them from going pro?
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« Reply #380 on: September 30, 2017, 04:36:10 PM »

According to many, Shawn Ray should of won once, as should of Flex Wheeler. 

Should HAVE, Ron.  Wink
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« Reply #381 on: September 30, 2017, 04:49:51 PM »

According to many, Shawn Ray should of won once, as should of Flex Wheeler. 

It's "should have."

Should've = Should have

"Should of" is grammatically incorrect.

"Shawn Ray should have won once" or "Shawn Ray should've won once."
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« Reply #382 on: September 30, 2017, 04:57:11 PM »

It's "should have."

Should've = Should have

"Should of" is grammatically incorrect.

"Shawn Ray should have won once" or "Shawn Ray should've won once."

Fuck of!
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« Reply #383 on: September 30, 2017, 05:00:33 PM »

Should HAVE, Ron.  Wink

It's "should have."

Should've = Should have

"Should of" is grammatically incorrect.

"Shawn Ray should have won once" or "Shawn Ray should've won once."

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« Reply #384 on: September 30, 2017, 05:03:10 PM »

Fuck of!

Grammatically it's 'fuck off', just saying
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« Reply #385 on: September 30, 2017, 05:06:59 PM »

According to many, Shawn Ray should of won once, as should of Flex Wheeler. 

Well, does this suggest that the judging process at the Olympia sucks? Otherwise the many are mistaken.

In my opinion the judging process and selection sucks and will lead to bad results. History has proven

that I am right. For example, they use 3 rounds. Ben Weider tried to get bodybuilding into the Olympic games

so used a judging system used by other sports. He ignored the excellent system used by NABBA at their Mr Universe

contests. The rounds were not judged by placings but by points in the IFBB. 1980 revealed what happened using this system.

Too many 20 out of 20 scores were awarded in all rounds effectively making many of the scores irrelevant. Only the

scores that separated the competitors made a difference.

The posedown was a chance to correct what some judges voted for. Again, this allowed the results to change at

the last minute. Since people talked to judges and they talked among themselves this allowed some to influence

the scores. Thus we have seen corruption happening in many of the contest.
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« Reply #386 on: September 30, 2017, 05:11:16 PM »

Shawn, what about that cat?


Hey Shawn ....good to have you back..you're a legend!....

Also you got upset with another body builder (I forget his name) because he was talking about his cat...  he pretty much disappeared after that


Why were you upset with him for talking with his cat?

Did you make him disappear?

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« Reply #387 on: September 30, 2017, 05:19:13 PM »

Well, does this suggest that the judging process at the Olympia sucks? Otherwise the many are mistaken.

In my opinion the judging process and selection sucks and will lead to bad results. History has proven

that I am right. For example, they use 3 rounds. Ben Weider tried to get bodybuilding into the Olympic games

so used a judging system used by other sports. He ignored the excellent system used by NABBA at their Mr Universe

contests. The rounds were not judged by placings but by points in the IFBB. 1980 revealed what happened using this system.

Too many 20 out of 20 scores were awarded in all rounds effectively making many of the scores irrelevant. Only the

scores that separated the competitors made a difference.

The posedown was a chance to correct what some judges voted for. Again, this allowed the results to change at

the last minute. Since people talked to judges and they talked among themselves this allowed some to influence

the scores. Thus we have seen corruption happening in many of the contest.


The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
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« Reply #388 on: September 30, 2017, 05:24:35 PM »

Shawn, what did the man's cat do to upset you?
Do you like the film, the nightmare on elm Street?
Also, sorry for my English, I'm not from america
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« Reply #389 on: September 30, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »

Shawn, what did the man's cat do to upset you?
Do you like the film, the nightmare on elm Street?
Also, sorry for my English, I'm not from america

WOT,

Nightmare on Elm Street is awesome. Definitely a classic. I own the whole box sex.  Cool Cool Cool

Sorry, had to answer.
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« Reply #390 on: September 30, 2017, 05:30:54 PM »

Shawn, what about that cat?



Why were you upset with him for talking with his cat?

Did you make him disappear?

Im also trying to find out if Shawn ever stuffed his posing trunk with a sock (like Levrone).
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« Reply #391 on: September 30, 2017, 05:33:01 PM »

Im also trying to find out if Shawn ever stuffed his posing trunk with a sock (like Levrone).
Maybe he stuffed it with a cat?
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« Reply #392 on: September 30, 2017, 05:33:40 PM »

The super rare case of delts almost being too big.


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« Reply #393 on: September 30, 2017, 05:38:29 PM »

Maybe he stuffed it with a cat?

He really seems to dislike cats.  Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #394 on: September 30, 2017, 05:43:29 PM »

The super rare case of delts almost being too big.



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« Reply #395 on: September 30, 2017, 05:44:28 PM »

Damn.
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« Reply #396 on: September 30, 2017, 06:01:04 PM »

The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"

They got rid of Demilia which was probably a shame. Why do they need to score the rounds and then have a posedown that is scored after the judging process is over. Answer, to correct 'errant' judges scores. They don't publish what individual judges scored. There is no transparency. Also, who picks the judges? Everyone assumes the results are valid. But even Ron has heard that some contests didn't choose the best competitor. How did Dorian win with a torn biceps? The IFBB evolved to be a system that rewarded loyal people and didn't reward those not loyal. End of story. Worst judging ever was the 1983 contest in Las Vegas where Bev Francis was placed 8th. Unbelievable but typical of what the IFBB does.

The rounds are pure bullshit. That isn't what bodybuilding is about. It is about being the best guy after posing and best among the comparisons. Overall placings is all that is required. Yes, they can use rounds to select the finalists but no scores accumulate. All that is scored is the last comparisons. Posedown okay for the crowd but impossible to score so doesn't count. The end of the judging should be the end of scoring.
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« Reply #397 on: September 30, 2017, 06:30:37 PM »

He really seems to dislike cats.  Cry Cry Cry

 Vince Gironda was wearing leopards speedos  Tongue
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« Reply #398 on: September 30, 2017, 06:34:30 PM »

Hey Shawn, would U accept V.Basile  Mr.Olympia trophy  like C.Dickerson did in 1980 !!!.
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« Reply #399 on: September 30, 2017, 06:43:59 PM »

Vince Gironda was wearing leopards speedos  Tongue

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