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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #100 on: December 17, 2018, 03:55:25 PM »
More stupid laws regarding reduced magazine capacity. However, it's quite rich that when a law restricting magazine capacity doesn't make exceptions for off duty cops, the police commissioner throws a hissy fit. Why does he want 2 standards and have the law apply only to some but not to others? Sadly this mentality is not rare with several cops, who are used to be exempt from laws that restrict "normal" people but in the rare instance that they have to comply to the same set of laws and rules as everyone else suddenly they react.

'This Is Just Crazy': Former NYPD Commissioner Blasts NJ Gov. Over 'Insane' Gun Law

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik slammed New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy over a gun law that bans off-duty officers in the state from carrying magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Kerik tweeted a leaked memo to law enforcement signed by Acting Bergen County Prosecutor Dennis Calo, which said violating the law would result in a fourth-degree crime.

According to NJ.com, Murphy (D) signed the bill into law in June, which also states that an officer may not be convicted of a criminal offense if he or she voluntarily surrenders a weapon in question.

Kerik said Sunday on Fox & Friends that the law is not only "outrageous," it also puts officers at risk.

"You're taking the ability away from the cops to possess the rounds they may need in a gun battle. ... That's insane," he said.

The law applies to New Jersey residents as well as off-duty officers, and Kerik said Murphy has essentially taken guns "away from the people" of the state.

"It's one thing if you violate a rule of a department," Kerik added. "But this is a law. A criminal law, and it makes you, then, a criminal. So, this is just crazy."


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/16/new-jersey-gun-ammunition-law-bernard-kerik-former-nypd-commissioner-blasts-phil-murphy

To see just how restrictive and absurd the law is, read this:

New Jersey invites in violent criminal aliens while stripping citizens of the right to self-defense

When the clock strikes midnight Tuesday morning, anyone in New Jersey who owns a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition is officially in possession of illegal contraband and is deemed a fourth-degree felon. Unlike previous magazine bans, this one retroactively bans people from even owning such magazines in their homes, even though they had been purchased legally. At the same time, the most violent criminal aliens will be actively shielded from deportation by state officials, against federal law. The inmates are running the asylum, while the law-abiding citizens and federal law enforcement are treated like criminals.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/new-jersey-invites-in-violent-criminal-aliens-while-stripping-citizens-of-the-right-to-self-defense/

Well that's dumb. 

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #101 on: December 17, 2018, 07:50:09 PM »
More stupid laws regarding reduced magazine capacity. However, it's quite rich that when a law restricting magazine capacity doesn't make exceptions for off duty cops, the police commissioner throws a hissy fit. Why does he want 2 standards and have the law apply only to some but not to others? Sadly this mentality is not rare with several cops, who are used to be exempt from laws that restrict "normal" people but in the rare instance that they have to comply to the same set of laws and rules as everyone else suddenly they react.

'This Is Just Crazy': Former NYPD Commissioner Blasts NJ Gov. Over 'Insane' Gun Law

Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik slammed New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy over a gun law that bans off-duty officers in the state from carrying magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

Kerik tweeted a leaked memo to law enforcement signed by Acting Bergen County Prosecutor Dennis Calo, which said violating the law would result in a fourth-degree crime.

According to NJ.com, Murphy (D) signed the bill into law in June, which also states that an officer may not be convicted of a criminal offense if he or she voluntarily surrenders a weapon in question.

Kerik said Sunday on Fox & Friends that the law is not only "outrageous," it also puts officers at risk.

"You're taking the ability away from the cops to possess the rounds they may need in a gun battle. ... That's insane," he said.

The law applies to New Jersey residents as well as off-duty officers, and Kerik said Murphy has essentially taken guns "away from the people" of the state.

"It's one thing if you violate a rule of a department," Kerik added. "But this is a law. A criminal law, and it makes you, then, a criminal. So, this is just crazy."


http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/16/new-jersey-gun-ammunition-law-bernard-kerik-former-nypd-commissioner-blasts-phil-murphy

To see just how restrictive and absurd the law is, read this:

New Jersey invites in violent criminal aliens while stripping citizens of the right to self-defense

When the clock strikes midnight Tuesday morning, anyone in New Jersey who owns a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition is officially in possession of illegal contraband and is deemed a fourth-degree felon. Unlike previous magazine bans, this one retroactively bans people from even owning such magazines in their homes, even though they had been purchased legally. At the same time, the most violent criminal aliens will be actively shielded from deportation by state officials, against federal law. The inmates are running the asylum, while the law-abiding citizens and federal law enforcement are treated like criminals.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/new-jersey-invites-in-violent-criminal-aliens-while-stripping-citizens-of-the-right-to-self-defense/

Unless there’s a state registry of what mags people have, the only folks facing prosecution will be
people committing crimes using guns with large mags and people lawfully defending themselves using guns with large mags.

Stupid law.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #102 on: December 18, 2018, 06:39:59 PM »
Unless there’s a state registry of what mags people have, the only folks facing prosecution will be
people committing crimes using guns with large mags and people lawfully defending themselves using guns with large mags.

Stupid law.
Governor hasn't ruled out door to door searches. lol
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #103 on: December 18, 2018, 07:02:11 PM »
Governor hasn't ruled out door to door searches. lol


Step 1 ... dig hole..

Step 2 ..... what guns?... I don't have any guns officer

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #104 on: December 18, 2018, 07:06:51 PM »
Step 1 ... dig hole..

Step 2 ..... what guns?... I don't have any guns officer
Lost my gun in a boating accident, it was terrible.
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #105 on: December 18, 2018, 08:23:40 PM »
Governor hasn't ruled out door to door searches. lol


We have a similar law here in CA, but I don't think it applies to LEOs. 

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #106 on: December 18, 2018, 08:44:42 PM »
What they will do is just imprison the people that they catch not complying.   One at a time.  Throw the book at them.  Turn otherwise law abiding citizens into felons.

That will be enough to intimidate the rest into turning theirs over.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #107 on: December 18, 2018, 09:35:35 PM »
We have a similar law here in CA, but I don't think it applies to LEOs. 
I'm in CA, we're all criminals according to our liberal government.

What they will do is just imprison the people that they catch not complying.   One at a time.  Throw the book at them.  Turn otherwise law abiding citizens into felons.

That will be enough to intimidate the rest into turning theirs over.
Almost never happens out here. Stories I've heard have always been confiscation and a slap on the wrist. Not saying it doesn't happen, just don't hear about it. Although here it's not a felony to possess, until you put it in the gun. Lol
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #108 on: December 18, 2018, 10:25:34 PM »
I'm in CA, we're all criminals according to our liberal government.
Almost never happens out here. Stories I've heard have always been confiscation and a slap on the wrist. Not saying it doesn't happen, just don't hear about it. Although here it's not a felony to possess, until you put it in the gun. Lol

UCMJ: Article 120

(c) Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete either of these offenses.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #109 on: December 19, 2018, 05:58:26 AM »

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #110 on: December 19, 2018, 08:35:34 PM »
UCMJ: Article 120

(c) Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete either of these offenses.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #111 on: December 20, 2018, 11:58:41 AM »
He's a "Second Amendment guy"...

Citing ‘rotten, stinking politics,’ Kasich vetoes gun bill

Saying that signing a gun rights measure “would be detrimental to the safety of all of our citizens,” Gov. John Kasich vetoed a bill Wednesday that would have shifted the burden of proof in self-defense cases.

“I’m a Second Amendment guy. I also believe there are some important restrictions we need to place on the Second Amendment,” the outgoing governor told the Columbus Metropolitan Club earlier Wednesday.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181219/citing-rotten-stinking-politics-kasich-vetoes-gun-bill

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #112 on: December 20, 2018, 02:46:19 PM »
Trump administration moves to ban sale of bump stocks, make possession illegal by March

The Trump administration on Tuesday took first steps to ban the sale of bump stocks on semi-automatic weapons and has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March.

Bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like automatic firearms, have come under increasing scrutiny after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fire from his Las Vegas hotel suite into a crowd at a country music concert below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“Following the mass shooting in Las Vegas, ATF received correspondence from members of the United States Congress, as well as nongovernmental organizations, requesting that ATF examine its past classifications and determine whether bump-stock type devices available on the market constitute machineguns under the statutory definition,” the regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker on Tuesday morning, noted.

It continued: “The Department decided to move forward with the rulemaking process to clarify the meaning of these terms, which are used in the NFA's  (National Firearms Act) statutory definition of ‘machinegun.’”

The regulation will go into effect 90 days after it is formally published in the Federal Register, which is expected to happen on Friday, a Justice Department official said.

People who own bump stocks will be required to either surrender them to the ATF or destroy them by late March, the official said. The change has undergone a legal review and the Justice Department and ATF are ready to fight any legal challenge that may be brought, the official added.

In March, President Donald Trump said his administration would "ban" the devices, which he said "turn legal weapons into illegal machines."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-moves-to-ban-sale-bump-stocks-makes-them-illegal-to-possess-by-march

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #113 on: December 20, 2018, 04:04:57 PM »
Trump administration moves to ban sale of bump stocks, make possession illegal by March

The Trump administration on Tuesday took first steps to ban the sale of bump stocks on semi-automatic weapons and has made them illegal to possess beginning in late March.

Bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like automatic firearms, have come under increasing scrutiny after they were used in October 2017 when a man opened fire from his Las Vegas hotel suite into a crowd at a country music concert below, killing 58 people and injuring hundreds more in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

“Following the mass shooting in Las Vegas, ATF received correspondence from members of the United States Congress, as well as nongovernmental organizations, requesting that ATF examine its past classifications and determine whether bump-stock type devices available on the market constitute machineguns under the statutory definition,” the regulation, which was signed by Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker on Tuesday morning, noted.

It continued: “The Department decided to move forward with the rulemaking process to clarify the meaning of these terms, which are used in the NFA's  (National Firearms Act) statutory definition of ‘machinegun.’”

The regulation will go into effect 90 days after it is formally published in the Federal Register, which is expected to happen on Friday, a Justice Department official said.

People who own bump stocks will be required to either surrender them to the ATF or destroy them by late March, the official said. The change has undergone a legal review and the Justice Department and ATF are ready to fight any legal challenge that may be brought, the official added.

In March, President Donald Trump said his administration would "ban" the devices, which he said "turn legal weapons into illegal machines."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-moves-to-ban-sale-bump-stocks-makes-them-illegal-to-possess-by-march

Damn.  Syria, bump stocks and prison reform.  Pretty good week as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #114 on: December 27, 2018, 04:35:36 PM »
He's a "Second Amendment guy"...

Citing ‘rotten, stinking politics,’ Kasich vetoes gun bill

Saying that signing a gun rights measure “would be detrimental to the safety of all of our citizens,” Gov. John Kasich vetoed a bill Wednesday that would have shifted the burden of proof in self-defense cases.

“I’m a Second Amendment guy. I also believe there are some important restrictions we need to place on the Second Amendment,” the outgoing governor told the Columbus Metropolitan Club earlier Wednesday.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20181219/citing-rotten-stinking-politics-kasich-vetoes-gun-bill


Gun-owner rights bill becomes Ohio law after legislature overrode Kasich veto

A bill broadening gun-owner rights has become law in Ohio, after the Republican-led state Legislature overrode GOP Gov. John Kasich’s veto. The Senate voted 21-11 on Thursday to reject Kasich’s decision to strike down the bill. That followed a House override earlier in the day.

Kasich opposed language shifting the burden of proof in self-defense cases from defendants to prosecutors.

https://fox8.com/2018/12/27/ohio-house-overrides-gov-kasichs-veto-of-gun-owner-rights-bill/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2019, 06:03:56 PM »
A prominent supporter of gun control has been charged with attempted extortion. He’s been in that position for 50 fucking years, succeeding his father. And guess what, despite being a staunch gun control supporter, he had 23 guns in his offices, which he had to surrender as a condition of his bond. And these guns might have even been in government buildings, where signs were posted prohibiting anyone from bringing guns in the premises. But it seems he enjoyed some “special privileges” while he pushed for strict gun control for everybody else.

Feds: Burke thought he was ‘playing nice with ’em,’ then came the squeeze

According to a bombshell 37-page criminal complaint unsealed Thursday that charged the powerhouse alderman with attempted extortion. After serving on the City Council for nearly half a century, Burke faced a federal judge Thursday, accused of using his position as alderman to try to steer business toward his private firm.

Burke, 75, now faces a maximum of 20 years in prison following an investigation that involved recorded calls on Burke’s cellphone and apparent federal surveillance of the alderman.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-alderman-ed-burke-federal-court-case/


Why Ald. Ed Burke May Have Been Allowed To Have 23 Guns In Government Building

He’s been a staunch supporter of gun control measures for decades, but in a surprising twist, federal prosecutors revealed Thursday that nearly two dozen firearms were discovered in Ald. Ed Burke’s offices during their raids in November.

From outlawing cell phone cases shaped like guns to bans on concealed weapons in places that serve alcohol and broadening the gun offender registry in Chicago, Ald. Ed Burke’s aldermanic record has defined him as an ardent supporter of gun control.

That’s why many people did a double take when federal prosecutors announced that investigators had found nearly two dozen guns not in his home but in his offices.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/01/04/ald-ed-burke-guns-govnerment-building/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #116 on: February 13, 2019, 12:31:55 AM »
Anything over 10 rounds would be considered "high capacity" and banned because according to them "you don't need that for any purpose". Of course they want the cops to be exempt from this ban.

Democrats propose high-capacity gun magazine ban

After a year without any significant gun legislation passed by Congress since the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting in Parkland, Florida, Democrats introduced a bill banning high-capacity gun magazines Tuesday, as the one-year anniversary of the massacre nears.

The Democratic legislation, cosponsored by Rep. Ted Deutch of Florida and Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, would ban any magazine that exceeds 10 rounds of ammunition. The legislation, which has been dubbed the "Keep Americans Safe Act," currently has no Republican cosponsors, one of many obstacles that would stand in the way of it advancing.

https://www.wptv.com/news/national/democrats-propose-high-capacity-gun-magazine-ban

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #117 on: February 13, 2019, 12:34:49 PM »
Wow.

Los Angeles Demanding That City Contractors Disclose Ties to the NRA

The ordinance, enacted yesterday, states:

Each [contract] Awarding Authority shall require that a Person fully disclose prior to entering into a Contract, all of its and its Subsidiaries' contracts with or Sponsorships of the NRA.

The disclosure required under this section shall continue throughout the term of the Contract, thereby obligating a Person to update its disclosure each time the Person or its Subsidiary contracts with or enters into a Sponsorship with the NRA.


And it makes clear that it is motivated by the NRA's political advocacy, as you can see from the recitals at the start of the ordinance (e.g., "the NRA leadership, with the financial support of its dues paying members, continues to lobby against gun safety regulations").

But the Supreme Court has made clear that the First Amendment generally bans (see O'Hare Truck Service, Inc. v. City of Northlake (1997)) the government from "retaliat[ing] against a contractor, or a regular provider of services, for the exercise of rights of political association"—precisely what the ordinance implicitly threatens.

And the Court has also made clear that compulsory disclosures of political association is also presumptively unconstitutional, precisely because they deter such association, see Shelton v. Tucker (1960), a case requiring such disclosures of schoolteachers:

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Even if there were no disclosure to the general public, the pressure upon a teacher to avoid any ties which might displease those who control his professional destiny would be constant and heavy. Public exposure, bringing with it the possibility of public pressures upon school boards to discharge teachers who belong to unpopular or minority organizations, would simply operate to widen and aggravate the impairment of constitutional liberty.

That case involved government employees, but the logic of O'Hare, which applied government employee First Amendment precedents to government contractors, makes clear that it applies to government contractors, too.

https://reason.com/volokh/2019/02/13/los-angeles-demanding-that-city-contract

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #118 on: March 11, 2019, 04:10:47 PM »
Report: California Saw Huge Increase in Gun Ownership Over Last Decade Despite Strict Gun Laws

Despite some of the nation's toughest laws, the number of gun owners in California has more than doubled over the past ten years, according to new data released Friday by the state Department of Justice. What those data show is that, as of 2019, there are more than 2.5 million gun owners in California, compared to fewer than a million in 2008. That figure translates to about 8 percent of Californian adults owning guns, compared to 3.4 percent in 2008—a more than two-fold increase, even when adjusting for population.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-california-saw-huge-increase-in-gun-ownership-over-last-decade-despite-strict-gun-laws

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #119 on: March 11, 2019, 06:00:07 PM »
Report: California Saw Huge Increase in Gun Ownership Over Last Decade Despite Strict Gun Laws

Despite some of the nation's toughest laws, the number of gun owners in California has more than doubled over the past ten years, according to new data released Friday by the state Department of Justice. What those data show is that, as of 2019, there are more than 2.5 million gun owners in California, compared to fewer than a million in 2008. That figure translates to about 8 percent of Californian adults owning guns, compared to 3.4 percent in 2008—a more than two-fold increase, even when adjusting for population.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-california-saw-huge-increase-in-gun-ownership-over-last-decade-despite-strict-gun-laws
That's just the ones that will admit to it. I wonder who/where they polled to come up with those numbers?

Those reports are so far under reported it's not funny. Wait, actually it is. ;D
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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #120 on: March 11, 2019, 06:51:54 PM »
Report: California Saw Huge Increase in Gun Ownership Over Last Decade Despite Strict Gun Laws

Despite some of the nation's toughest laws, the number of gun owners in California has more than doubled over the past ten years, according to new data released Friday by the state Department of Justice. What those data show is that, as of 2019, there are more than 2.5 million gun owners in California, compared to fewer than a million in 2008. That figure translates to about 8 percent of Californian adults owning guns, compared to 3.4 percent in 2008—a more than two-fold increase, even when adjusting for population.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-california-saw-huge-increase-in-gun-ownership-over-last-decade-despite-strict-gun-laws

The headline is a great example of the Fox Butterfield effect.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2019, 05:00:00 AM »
2020 hopeful Kamala Harris says she owns gun for protection
Associated Press ^ | April 11, 2019 | Alexandra Jaffe
Posted on 4/11/2019, 11:20:41 PM by Olog-hai

Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris says she owns a gun and called it a “false choice” that the only two gun control options are complete, unrestricted access or a desire to seize everyone’s guns.

The senator from California told reporters after a campaign event in Iowa that she is a gun owner.

She says, “I own a gun for probably the reason that a lot of people do: for personal safety.” …

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #122 on: April 17, 2019, 10:45:38 AM »
So now we also have corporate gun control...

Citi's gun crackdown gives ammo to 2nd Amendment foes, advocate says

Justin Danhof wants Citigroup to take billionaire investor Warren Buffett's advice and stop pushing the gun merchants among its customers to set stricter limits on which products they sell and who can buy them.

Under a policy established after a mass shooting at a Florida high school last year, the New York lender no longer does business with retail stores that sell guns to anyone under 21 or whose inventory includes bump stocks or high-capacity magazines.

"We are not threatening people, and we are certainly not threatening the Second Amendment," the Citi CEO said, noting that customers are free to buy whatever they want with their credit and debit cards, including firearms. "What our policy seeks to do is not put restrictions on gun ownership, but really try and institute a series of best practices that have, hopefully, a chance of keeping guns out of the wrong people’s hands. We've worked with a number of retailers to come up with what we think some of those best practices are."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/business/citis-tighter-gun-rules-dont-threaten-second-amendment-ceo-says

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #123 on: June 14, 2019, 03:20:18 PM »
'Gun free zone' law disarmed Virginia Beach shooting victim, attorney says

The night before Kate Nixon and 11 others were murdered by a disgruntled co-worker, the decade-long Virginia Beach city employee talked with her husband about bringing a gun to work for self-defense -- a decision that was taken out of her hands by the city's ban on employees carrying firearms at work, a Nixon family lawyer said.

Now, Nixon's family is calling for an independent investigation into events leading up to the May 31 shooting and what could have been done differently before and during it, particularly given the explicit concerns about shooter DeWayne Craddock.

“Kate expressed to her husband concerns about this individual in particular, as well as one other person,” Nixon family attorney Kevin Martingayle told WHRV's "HearSay with Cathy Lewis" radio show Monday.  “In fact, they had a discussion the night before about whether or not she should take a pistol and hide it in her handbag -- and decided not to, ultimately, because there's a policy apparently against having any kind of weapons that are concealed in the building."

The city of Virginia Beach prohibits employees from carrying "any weapon" while working or on city property, unless authorized by a supervisor. The city policy notes: "The prohibition against possession of a weapon applies even if a member has a permit to carry a concealed weapon."

An employee violating the policy would not be in violation of the law -- but they would be breaking rules set by their place of employment. "Employees who violate this policy will be subject to discipline, up to and including dismissal," the city policy states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-free-zone-law-disarmed-virginia-beach-shooting-victim-attorney-says

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #124 on: June 14, 2019, 05:25:32 PM »
 :)
'Gun free zone' law disarmed Virginia Beach shooting victim, attorney says

The night before Kate Nixon and 11 others were murdered by a disgruntled co-worker, the decade-long Virginia Beach city employee talked with her husband about bringing a gun to work for self-defense -- a decision that was taken out of her hands by the city's ban on employees carrying firearms at work, a Nixon family lawyer said.

Now, Nixon's family is calling for an independent investigation into events leading up to the May 31 shooting and what could have been done differently before and during it, particularly given the explicit concerns about shooter DeWayne Craddock.

“Kate expressed to her husband concerns about this individual in particular, as well as one other person,” Nixon family attorney Kevin Martingayle told WHRV's "HearSay with Cathy Lewis" radio show Monday.  “In fact, they had a discussion the night before about whether or not she should take a pistol and hide it in her handbag -- and decided not to, ultimately, because there's a policy apparently against having any kind of weapons that are concealed in the building."

The city of Virginia Beach prohibits employees from carrying "any weapon" while working or on city property, unless authorized by a supervisor. The city policy notes: "The prohibition against possession of a weapon applies even if a member has a permit to carry a concealed weapon."

An employee violating the policy would not be in violation of the law -- but they would be breaking rules set by their place of employment. "Employees who violate this policy will be subject to discipline, up to and including dismissal," the city policy states.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/gun-free-zone-law-disarmed-virginia-beach-shooting-victim-attorney-says

Making and disarming victims.