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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #125 on: June 21, 2019, 05:22:50 PM »
Illinois State Senator: Maybe It’s Best to Just Grab All the ‘Assault Weapons’ After All

Illinois state Senator Julie Morrison is the sponsor of Senate Bill 107. The bill would ban most semi-automatic firearm and accessory sales. Current owners of the banned guns would be required to pay a fee and register their so-called assault weapons. The fee would be $25 per firearm and failure to register them would be a felony.

In a recent town hall meeting with Morrison, Mike Weisman, vice president of the Illinois State Rifle Association was in the audience. When Weisman asked Morrison why paying a “fine” to register a firearm is necessary, she allowed as how maybe it would just be simpler if the state just grabs all of the scary guns her bill would outlaw.

Constituent: You have a SB107 to take away my semi-automatic firearms.

State Senator Julie Morrison: To clarify, I’m not taking your gun away from you. You just can’t buy any new ones.

Constituent: You want me to turn it over to the state police.

Sen. Morrison: You can’t buy new ones.

Constituent: Unless I give you a fine. Unless I pay a fine for each firearm and register them, then I get to keep them. So, if I get to keep it, if I pay a fine and register it, how dangerous is it in the first place? Why do you need to pay it at all?

Sen. Morrison: Well, you’ve just maybe changed my mind. Maybe we won’t have a fine at all. Maybe we’ll just be a confiscation and we won’t have to worry about you paying the fine.




https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/illinois-state-senator-maybe-its-best-to-just-grab-all-the-assault-weapons-guns-after-all/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #126 on: June 21, 2019, 05:40:35 PM »
Illinois State Senator: Maybe It’s Best to Just Grab All the ‘Assault Weapons’ After All

Illinois state Senator Julie Morrison is the sponsor of Senate Bill 107. The bill would ban most semi-automatic firearm and accessory sales. Current owners of the banned guns would be required to pay a fee and register their so-called assault weapons. The fee would be $25 per firearm and failure to register them would be a felony.

In a recent town hall meeting with Morrison, Mike Weisman, vice president of the Illinois State Rifle Association was in the audience. When Weisman asked Morrison why paying a “fine” to register a firearm is necessary, she allowed as how maybe it would just be simpler if the state just grabs all of the scary guns her bill would outlaw.

Constituent: You have a SB107 to take away my semi-automatic firearms.

State Senator Julie Morrison: To clarify, I’m not taking your gun away from you. You just can’t buy any new ones.

Constituent: You want me to turn it over to the state police.

Sen. Morrison: You can’t buy new ones.

Constituent: Unless I give you a fine. Unless I pay a fine for each firearm and register them, then I get to keep them. So, if I get to keep it, if I pay a fine and register it, how dangerous is it in the first place? Why do you need to pay it at all?

Sen. Morrison: Well, you’ve just maybe changed my mind. Maybe we won’t have a fine at all. Maybe we’ll just be a confiscation and we won’t have to worry about you paying the fine.




https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/illinois-state-senator-maybe-its-best-to-just-grab-all-the-assault-weapons-guns-after-all/

She's so repulsively condescending to her constituents, talking to them like they're second graders.

"Billy, did you bring enough ammo for the WHOLE class?"

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #127 on: August 06, 2019, 02:08:35 PM »
Biden says he's coming for assault weapons, as 2020 Dems urge new ban in wake of shootings
By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News

The horrific mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton that left 31 people dead and dozens more injured have thrust the issue of gun violence into the center of the 2020 presidential campaign -- with calls growing louder in the Democratic field for the return of an assault-weapons ban.

Many in the record-setting field of two-dozen Democratic White House hopefuls already supported the ban, but the weekend tragedies have emboldened those calls as candidates highlight and in some cases build upon their gun control platforms.

Primary front-runner Joe Biden went so far Monday as to say he's coming for those guns.

The former vice president, in a CNN interview, said that a Biden administration would push for a “national buyback program” to get such firearms “off the street.”

Asked what he’d say to gun owners worried that Biden would be coming for their guns, he quickly answered: "Bingo! You're right, if you have an assault weapon."

"The fact of the matter is [assault weapons] should be illegal. Period," Biden said. "The Second Amendment doesn't say you can't restrict the kinds of weapons people can own. You can't buy a bazooka. You can't have a flame-thrower."

Biden has long supported bans on assault weapons and firearms with high-capacity magazines, as well as universal background checks for gun purchases. As a senator from Delaware, Biden had a large role in crafting the 1994 assault-weapons ban.

The bill was quickly signed into law by then-President Bill Clinton after narrowly passing the Senate in a 52-48 vote. The law – which prohibited civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms defined as assault weapons as well as certain large-capacity ammunition magazines – expired in 2004. Attempts to reauthorize the ban over the past 15 years have been unsuccessful.

Biden’s far from the only presidential candidate to renew the push for an assault-weapons ban in the wake of the weekend massacres.

South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Tuesday announced “an action plan to combat the threat of white nationalist terrorism, abetted by weak gun laws and the gun lobby.”

Pete Buttigieg on gun violence in America, whether presidential campaign has stalledVideo
The alleged gunman in the El Paso shooting -- a 21-year-old white supremacist -- killed at least 22 people.

As part of his wide-ranging plan, Buttigieg is calling for a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Buttigieg – a Naval Reserve veteran who served in the Afghanistan war – emphasized that “weapons like the one I carried in Afghanistan have no place on our streets or in our schools.”

“The same is true for high-capacity magazines, some of which can hold up to 100 rounds of ammunition and significantly increase a shooter’s ability to injure and kill large numbers of people quickly without needing to reload,” he added.

Even before the weekend’s shootings, curbing gun violence was a central tenet in New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker's campaign -- he's calling for the federal licensing of all gun owners - and Sen. Kamala Harris of California repeatedly vowed if elected to take action on the issue in the first 100 days of her administration.

And gun violence's a centerpiece to the White House bid by former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas, who suspended his campaign to return to his hometown of El Paso.

In this summer's primary debates, the candidates have highlighted a list of proposals they’ve pledged to enact – from banning assault weapons and restrictions on magazine capacities to universal background checks and laws to prevent those with a history of domestic violence or mental illness from purchasing weapons.

But it remains unclear what measures the current Congress might be willing to consider. Some lawmakers, on both sides of the aisle, have backed calls for "red-flag laws" to take firearms from those deemed a risk to public safety, after President Trump endorsed the measures on Monday.

But Trump focused largely on mental health, while saying: “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun."

An assault-weapons ban is a far more sweeping measure that, at this stage, has little support from Republican lawmakers.

The dialogue in the 2020 race comes as amid a spate of mass shootings already this year. The escalating debate among the candidates marks the first time in almost a generation that Democratic presidential candidates are heavily emphasizing gun violence on the campaign trail.

Then-Democratic Vice President Al Gore and Republican Gov. George W. Bush battled over the issue in the 2000 election, one year after the mass shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. The two candidates clashed, among other things, over moves to prevent cities from suing gun manufacturers.

But four years later, Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts didn’t make gun control a major focus of his campaign. Neither did President Barack Obama in his 2008 election and 2012 re-election. And while Hillary Clinton supported tightening gun laws, she didn’t spotlight her stance as the Democrats 2016 presidential nominee.

But after dozens of high-profile incidents in recent years – from the Orlando, Florida nightclub mass shooting in 2016 where 49 were killed, to the Las Vegas concert massacre that left 58 dead and the Parkland mass shooting where 17 students and faculty were killed – tackling gun violence has become a top policy for Democratic congressional and presidential candidates.

Gun violence was the second most pressing issue facing the country, according to a Fox News poll conducted in May. Seventy-one percent of registered voters said gun violence is a major problem that needed attention from the government, trailing only the opioid addiction epidemic.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-assault-weapons-ban-shootings

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #128 on: August 06, 2019, 04:13:11 PM »
Biden says he's coming for assault weapons, as 2020 Dems urge new ban in wake of shootings
By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News

The horrific mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton that left 31 people dead and dozens more injured have thrust the issue of gun violence into the center of the 2020 presidential campaign -- with calls growing louder in the Democratic field for the return of an assault-weapons ban.

Many in the record-setting field of two-dozen Democratic White House hopefuls already supported the ban, but the weekend tragedies have emboldened those calls as candidates highlight and in some cases build upon their gun control platforms.

Primary front-runner Joe Biden went so far Monday as to say he's coming for those guns.

The former vice president, in a CNN interview, said that a Biden administration would push for a “national buyback program” to get such firearms “off the street.”

Asked what he’d say to gun owners worried that Biden would be coming for their guns, he quickly answered: "Bingo! You're right, if you have an assault weapon."

"The fact of the matter is [assault weapons] should be illegal. Period," Biden said. "The Second Amendment doesn't say you can't restrict the kinds of weapons people can own. You can't buy a bazooka. You can't have a flame-thrower."

Biden has long supported bans on assault weapons and firearms with high-capacity magazines, as well as universal background checks for gun purchases. As a senator from Delaware, Biden had a large role in crafting the 1994 assault-weapons ban.

The bill was quickly signed into law by then-President Bill Clinton after narrowly passing the Senate in a 52-48 vote. The law – which prohibited civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms defined as assault weapons as well as certain large-capacity ammunition magazines – expired in 2004. Attempts to reauthorize the ban over the past 15 years have been unsuccessful.

Biden’s far from the only presidential candidate to renew the push for an assault-weapons ban in the wake of the weekend massacres.

South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg on Tuesday announced “an action plan to combat the threat of white nationalist terrorism, abetted by weak gun laws and the gun lobby.”

Pete Buttigieg on gun violence in America, whether presidential campaign has stalledVideo
The alleged gunman in the El Paso shooting -- a 21-year-old white supremacist -- killed at least 22 people.

As part of his wide-ranging plan, Buttigieg is calling for a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Buttigieg – a Naval Reserve veteran who served in the Afghanistan war – emphasized that “weapons like the one I carried in Afghanistan have no place on our streets or in our schools.”

“The same is true for high-capacity magazines, some of which can hold up to 100 rounds of ammunition and significantly increase a shooter’s ability to injure and kill large numbers of people quickly without needing to reload,” he added.

Even before the weekend’s shootings, curbing gun violence was a central tenet in New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker's campaign -- he's calling for the federal licensing of all gun owners - and Sen. Kamala Harris of California repeatedly vowed if elected to take action on the issue in the first 100 days of her administration.

And gun violence's a centerpiece to the White House bid by former Rep. Beto O'Rourke of Texas, who suspended his campaign to return to his hometown of El Paso.

In this summer's primary debates, the candidates have highlighted a list of proposals they’ve pledged to enact – from banning assault weapons and restrictions on magazine capacities to universal background checks and laws to prevent those with a history of domestic violence or mental illness from purchasing weapons.

But it remains unclear what measures the current Congress might be willing to consider. Some lawmakers, on both sides of the aisle, have backed calls for "red-flag laws" to take firearms from those deemed a risk to public safety, after President Trump endorsed the measures on Monday.

But Trump focused largely on mental health, while saying: “Mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun."

An assault-weapons ban is a far more sweeping measure that, at this stage, has little support from Republican lawmakers.

The dialogue in the 2020 race comes as amid a spate of mass shootings already this year. The escalating debate among the candidates marks the first time in almost a generation that Democratic presidential candidates are heavily emphasizing gun violence on the campaign trail.

Then-Democratic Vice President Al Gore and Republican Gov. George W. Bush battled over the issue in the 2000 election, one year after the mass shooting at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. The two candidates clashed, among other things, over moves to prevent cities from suing gun manufacturers.

But four years later, Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts didn’t make gun control a major focus of his campaign. Neither did President Barack Obama in his 2008 election and 2012 re-election. And while Hillary Clinton supported tightening gun laws, she didn’t spotlight her stance as the Democrats 2016 presidential nominee.

But after dozens of high-profile incidents in recent years – from the Orlando, Florida nightclub mass shooting in 2016 where 49 were killed, to the Las Vegas concert massacre that left 58 dead and the Parkland mass shooting where 17 students and faculty were killed – tackling gun violence has become a top policy for Democratic congressional and presidential candidates.

Gun violence was the second most pressing issue facing the country, according to a Fox News poll conducted in May. Seventy-one percent of registered voters said gun violence is a major problem that needed attention from the government, trailing only the opioid addiction epidemic.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-assault-weapons-ban-shootings

He keeps saying that.  He might as well say, "Abrams tanks have no place in our shopping mall parking lots."
He was rifle qualified, so he used an M4 or M16, not an AR-15.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #129 on: August 06, 2019, 08:48:56 PM »
Guns are for pussies.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #130 on: August 07, 2019, 10:27:27 PM »
Adam Kinzinger: 'Serious movement' brewing to overturn entire Second Amendment
By Nick Givas | Fox News

Illinois Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger proposes raising the age to purchase a firearm to 21, banning certain high capacity magazines and universal background checks -- but warns of overshoot. 

Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., said there is a political movement brewing in the United States to try and overturn the Second Amendment in its entirety, and do away with a citizen's right to keep and bear arms.

Kinzinger, who wrote a piece following the mass shootings in Dayton and El Paso supporting "red-flag" laws, said there is an inherent danger of political overshoot that could create a stream of unintended consequences, but claimed it would be better than doing nothing.

"It is unfair that you would deny somebody a right by putting a restriction in place because... I own an AR. 99.99 percent of us are responsible with these guns. But as a society, we can't predict individual behavior," he said on "The Daily Briefing," Wednesday.

Kinzinger added: "We have to make societal differences and changes... attitudes are turning so much against the Second Amendment that the thing that we risk is that there will be a serious movement to not just create restrictions but to overturn the whole amendment. Now, by the way, your freedom of religion is protected by the First [Amendment]. If we begin to start to repeal the Bill of Rights, who knows where this whole thing goes."

Kinzinger also claimed those on the left of politics have failed to see the spiritual and moralistic problems connected to mass shootings and urged all Americans to treat life with more reverence.

"The left needs to understand this really is an issue of the heart. This is a spiritual rot in this country, a moral issue where we no longer value life," he said earlier in the interview.

"People feel like the only way they can be heard is to go out and make this name for themselves, and then the media doesn't do any favors by publishing manifestos and publishing names."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/second-amendment-red-flag-laws-mass-shootings

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #131 on: August 14, 2019, 01:02:39 PM »
Assault weapons ban picks up steam in Congress

An assault weapons ban is picking up steam in the House and on the 2020 campaign trail as Democrats search for a way to respond to two recent mass shootings while putting greater political pressure on recalcitrant Republican leaders.

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the front-runner in the Democratic presidential primary race, this week vowed to reinstate and strengthen the 1994 ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines if he’s elected president, declaring in a New York Times op-ed: “We have to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

And nearly 200 House Democrats have now signed on to legislation — authored by Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), the head of Democrats’ messaging operation — banning semi-automatic firearms and large-capacity magazines. With 198 co-sponsors, the bill is just 20 votes shy of the number needed to push it through the lower chamber.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/457323-assault-weapons-ban-picks-up-steam-in-congress

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1296/text

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(36)The term semiautomatic assault weapon means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:
 (A)A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
  (i)A pistol grip.
  (ii)A forward grip.
  (iii)A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.
  (iv)A grenade launcher.
  (v)A barrel shroud.
  (vi)A threaded barrel.

 (B)A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

 (C)Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.

 (D)A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
  (i)A threaded barrel.
  (ii)A second pistol grip.
  (iii)A barrel shroud.
  (iv)The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
  (v)A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.
  (vi)A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when unloaded.
  (vii)A stabilizing brace or similar component.

 (E)A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

 (F)A semiautomatic shotgun that has any one of the following:
  (i)A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.
  (ii)A pistol grip.
  (iii)A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds.
  (iv)The ability to accept a detachable magazine.
  (v)A forward grip.
  (vi)A grenade launcher.

 (G)Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

 (H)All of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
  (i)All AK types, including the following:
   (I)AK, AK–47, AK–47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.
   (II)IZHMASH Saiga AK.
   (III)MAADI AK–47 and ARM.
   (IV)Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.
   (V)Poly Technologies AK–47 and AKS.

 (ii)All AR types, including the following:
   (I)AR–10.
   (II)AR–15.
   (III)Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.
   (IV)Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.
   (V)Armalite M15–T.
   (VI)Barrett REC7.
   (VII)Beretta AR–70.
   (VIII)Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.
   (IX)Bushmaster ACR.
   (X)Bushmaster Carbon 15.
   (XI)Bushmaster MOE series.
   (XII)Bushmaster XM15.
   (XIII)Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.
   (XIV)Colt Match Target rifles.
   (XV)CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.
   (XVI)Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles.
   (XVII)Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.
   (XVIII)Diamondback DB15 rifles.
   (XIX)DoubleStar AR rifles.
   (XX)DPMS Tactical rifles.
   (XXI)DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.
   (XXII)Heckler & Koch MR556.
   (XXIII)High Standard HSA–15 rifles.
   (XXIV)Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.
   (XXV)Knight’s Armament SR–15.
   (XXVI)Lancer L15 rifles.
   (XXVII)MGI Hydra Series rifles.
   (XXVIII)Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.
   (XXIX)Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.
   (XXX)Olympic Arms.
   (XXXI)POF USA P415.
   (XXXII)Precision Firearms AR rifles.
   (XXXIII)Remington R–15 rifles.
   (XXXIV)Rhino Arms AR rifles.
   (XXXV)Rock River Arms LAR–15.
   (XXXVI)Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.
   (XXXVII)SKS with a detachable magazine.
   (XXXVIII)Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.
   (XXXIX)Stag Arms AR rifles.
   (XL)Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.
   (XLI)Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.
   (XLII)Windham Weaponry AR rifles.
   (XLIII)WMD Guns Big Beast.
   (XLIV)Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles.

  (iii)Barrett M107A1.
  (iv)Barrett M82A1.
  (v)Beretta CX4 Storm.
  (vi)Calico Liberty Series.
  (vii)CETME Sporter.
  (viii)Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.
  (ix)Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.
  (x)Feather Industries AT–9.
  (xi)Galil Model AR and Model ARM.
  (xii)Hi-Point Carbine.
  (xiii)HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC.
  (xiv)IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.
  (xv)Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.
  (xvi)SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.
  (xvii)Springfield Armory SAR–48.
  (xviii)Steyr AUG.
  (xix)Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.
  (xx)All Thompson rifles, including the following:
   (I)Thompson M1SB.
   (II)Thompson T1100D.
   (III)Thompson T150D.
   (IV)Thompson T1B.
   (V)Thompson T1B100D.
   (VI)Thompson T1B50D.
   (VII)Thompson T1BSB.
   (VIII)Thompson T1–C.
   (IX)Thompson T1D.
   (X)Thompson T1SB.
   (XI)Thompson T5.
   (XII)Thompson T5100D.
   (XIII)Thompson TM1.
   (XIV)Thompson TM1C.
  (xxi)UMAREX UZI rifle.
  (xxii)UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.
  (xxiii)Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.
  (xxiv)Vector Arms UZI Type.
  (xxv)Weaver Arms Nighthawk.
  (xxvi)Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

 (I)All of the following pistols, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
  (i)All AK–47 types, including the following:
   (I)Centurion 39 AK pistol.
   (II)CZ Scorpion pistol.
   (III)Draco AK–47 pistol.
   (IV)HCR AK–47 pistol.
   (V)IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol.
   (VI)Krinkov pistol.
   (VII)Mini Draco AK–47 pistol.
   (VIII)PAP M92 pistol.
   (IX)Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

 (ii)All AR–15 types, including the following:
   (I)American Spirit AR–15 pistol.
   (II)Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol.
   (III)Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II.
   (IV)CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol.
   (V)Daniel Defense MK18 pistol.
   (VI)DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol.
   (VII)DPMS AR–15 pistol.
   (VIII)Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol.
   (IX)Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol.
   (X)Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol.
   (XI)POF USA AR pistols.
   (XII)Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol.
   (XIII)Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.
   (iii)Calico Liberty pistols.
   (iv)DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.
   (v)Encom MP–9 and MP–45.
   (vi)Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.
   (vii)Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.
   (viii)IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.
   (ix)Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.
   (x)The following MAC types:
    (I)MAC–10.
    (II)MAC–11.
    (III)Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol.
    (IV)Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11.
    (V)Velocity Arms VMAC.
   (xi)Sig Sauer P556 pistol.
   (xii)Sites Spectre.
   (xiii)All Thompson types, including the following:
    (I)Thompson TA510D.
    (II)Thompson TA5.
  (xiv)All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

(J)All of the following shotguns, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:
 (i)DERYA Anakon MC–1980, Anakon SD12.
 (ii)Doruk Lethal shotguns.
 (iii)Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12.
 (iv)All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:
 (I)IZHMASH Saiga 12.
 (II)IZHMASH Saiga 12S.
 (III)IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01.
 (IV)IZHMASH Saiga 12K.
 (V)IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030.
 (VI)IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika.
 (v)Streetsweeper.
 (vi)Striker 12.

(K)All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB and FN M2495.

(L)Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled.

(M)The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (F), (G), (H), (J), or (K).

Of course:

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Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—
(A)the importation for, manufacture for, sale to, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a sale or transfer to or possession by a qualified law enforcement officer employed by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty), or a sale or transfer to or possession by a campus law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);

(C)the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon—
(i)sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or
(ii)that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;


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« Reply #132 on: August 14, 2019, 03:04:48 PM »
Assault weapons ban picks up steam in Congress

An assault weapons ban is picking up steam in the House and on the 2020 campaign trail as Democrats search for a way to respond to two recent mass shootings while putting greater political pressure on recalcitrant Republican leaders.

Former Vice President Joe Biden, the front-runner in the Democratic presidential primary race, this week vowed to reinstate and strengthen the 1994 ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines if he’s elected president, declaring in a New York Times op-ed: “We have to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

And nearly 200 House Democrats have now signed on to legislation — authored by Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.), the head of Democrats’ messaging operation — banning semi-automatic firearms and large-capacity magazines. With 198 co-sponsors, the bill is just 20 votes shy of the number needed to push it through the lower chamber.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/457323-assault-weapons-ban-picks-up-steam-in-congress

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr1296/text

Look at this:

Of course:


There are over 8 million semi-automatic rifles that look cool to some, scary to others, in circulation today.
If the Dems hold the house and gain the senate after the 2020 elections, the proposed legislation would be
create such an amazing run on rifle sales.

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« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2019, 03:08:34 PM »
There are over 8 million semi-automatic rifles that look cool to some, scary to others, in circulation today.
If the Dems hold the house and gain the senate after the 2020 elections, the proposed legislation would be
create such an amazing run on rifle sales.

Yep, anti-gun people keep saying the Republicans are the gun industry's cronies but in practice the Democrats and anti gun loons like those Mom groups have done way more to increase gun sales. Every time they propose one of those "do something" gun control legislation, gun sales increase.

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« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2019, 03:40:09 PM »
There are probably over 15 million Modern sporting rifles in the hands of the public.   maybe even more.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #135 on: September 10, 2019, 06:46:30 PM »
Poll: Over 1 in 4 Democrat Voters Want to Ban NRA Memberships

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AWR HAWKINS 10 Sep 2019

A Rasmussen poll released September 10, 2019, shows that 28 percent of Democrat voters support prohibiting Americans from joining the NRA.

According to Rasmussen, “Twenty-eight percent of Democrats say Americans should be prohibited by law from belonging to pro-gun rights organizations like the NRA.”
 
The same poll shows 32 percent of Democrat voters support “declaring the gun rights group a terrorist organization in the community where they live.” Only 14 percent of Republican voters supported such a declaration.

Seventy-eight percent of Republicans have a favorable view of the NRA, verses thirty-two percent of Democrats and forty-two percent of “unaffiliated voters.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/10/poll-over-1-in-4-democrat-voters-want-to-ban-nra-memberships/

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« Reply #136 on: September 10, 2019, 08:13:56 PM »
Poll: Over 1 in 4 Democrat Voters Want to Ban NRA Memberships

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AWR HAWKINS 10 Sep 2019

A Rasmussen poll released September 10, 2019, shows that 28 percent of Democrat voters support prohibiting Americans from joining the NRA.

According to Rasmussen, “Twenty-eight percent of Democrats say Americans should be prohibited by law from belonging to pro-gun rights organizations like the NRA.”
 
The same poll shows 32 percent of Democrat voters support “declaring the gun rights group a terrorist organization in the community where they live.” Only 14 percent of Republican voters supported such a declaration.

Seventy-eight percent of Republicans have a favorable view of the NRA, verses thirty-two percent of Democrats and forty-two percent of “unaffiliated voters.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/10/poll-over-1-in-4-democrat-voters-want-to-ban-nra-memberships/

That 28% of Democratic voters want to repeal or amend the 1st amendment isn't surprising, but that 14% of Republican voters do, is troubling.

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« Reply #137 on: September 23, 2019, 09:04:33 PM »
She must be one of the dumbest clowns in Congress along with Ocrazio Cortex.

https://twitter.com/Uncle_Jimbo/status/1176132630196248578



"My bill that I've introduced dealing with big caliber weapons, I've held an AR-15 in my hands, I wish I hadn't, it is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, the .50 cal, these types of bullets need to be licensed and do not need to be on the streets."

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« Reply #138 on: September 23, 2019, 09:29:45 PM »
She must be one of the dumbest clowns in Congress along with Ocrazio Cortex.

https://twitter.com/Uncle_Jimbo/status/1176132630196248578



"My bill that I've introduced dealing with big caliber weapons, I've held an AR-15 in my hands, I wish I hadn't, it is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, the .50 cal, these types of bullets need to be licensed and do not need to be on the streets."

“There's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually,
and semantically correct than about being morally right.”

"We choose truth over facts."

"Weapons of war don’t belong in our neighborhoods during peacetime."

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #139 on: September 23, 2019, 09:32:40 PM »
I missed this one:

Washington Redefines All Semi-Automatic Rifles As 'Assault Weapons'

I-1639, by contrast, defines a "semiautomatic assault rifle" as "any rifle which utilizes a portion
of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round,
and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge." That category includes
not just scary-looking, military-style rifles like the AR-15 but a wide range of firearms commonly
used for hunting, target shooting, and competitions.
The definition excludes rifles that are "manually
operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action" but includes all the rest.

https://reason.com/2019/01/03/washington-redefines-all-semiautomatic-r/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #140 on: October 02, 2019, 02:54:57 PM »
Chuck Schumer Wants IRS To Investigate NRA, Consider Stripping Tax-Exempt Status
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https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/02/butina-nra-2016-election/

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« Reply #141 on: October 29, 2019, 01:00:15 PM »
Florida Police Using FINDER System to Create Lists of Gun Owners

Earlier this month AmmoLand brought its reader a story of an alleged illegal gun list compiled by the Charlotte County Sheriff's Department using the FINDER system in Florida.

Pawnbrokers are required to enter information on firearms transactions into the FINDER system. The system transmits the serial number of the firearm along with the make and model to the local sheriffs' department to make sure that the person pawning the gun, did not steal it. A bug in the system also transmitted the names and addresses of the transfers to local law enforcement. The Charlotte County Sheriff’s Department used the information to create a list of gun owners.

In Florida, it is a felony for law enforcement agencies to keep a list of gun owners under Florida Statute 790.335. The Charlotte County State's Attorney's Office determined that the Charlotte County Sheriff's Department did not violate any laws in compiling the list. After the results of the investigation, Florida Carry asked the Attorney General's Office of the state to carry out an independent investigation.

AmmoLand has discovered with the help of reporter Andrew Sheets that abuse of the FINDER system appears to extend past Charlotte County into surrounding jurisdictions. It isn’t clear how far the abuses extend across the state.

Emails obtained by Mr. Sheets and AmmoLand shows that the Charlotte County Sheriff's Department shared their list with other departments. One of the other law enforcement agencies that the Sheriff shared their list with is the North Port Police department.

The Sarasota Sheriff's Office has also been compiling a list using the FINDER system. More disturbing is that the Sheriff provided an unredacted list of pawn transactions via email to Mr. Sheets. The file contains not only information about the firearm, but also the names of the person pawning the gun, putting them at risk of robbery and violating their privacy rights.

AmmoLand received a tip that the FINDER system was never supposed to release the gun owner's personal information to law enforcement organizations. We spoke to a support team member off the record, and they told AmmoLand that the system has been fixed and no longer transmits anything outside the serial number and make and model of the firearm.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/10/florida-police-using-finder-system-to-create-lists-of-gun-owners/

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« Reply #142 on: December 18, 2019, 05:05:54 PM »
The senile crone got a "4 Pinocchios" rating from the Washington Post.

Pelosi’s bogus talking point on gun deaths of children

“In the 266 days since we sent this bill, about 25,000 people have died from gun violence in our country, 47 percent of them teenagers or children younger than that.”

For months, in speeches, news conferences, tweets and interviews, Pelosi has been using a version of an incorrect talking point to make the firearms death toll for teenagers and children appear significantly higher than reality. Fewer than 9 percent of those killed by guns are 19 or younger — not 47 percent. Seven children or teenagers are killed a day — not 47.

When we queried her staff, we were told she had simply misspoken. But that was false, too.

Gun violence is an important issue in the United States. There’s no reason to goose the numbers for political purposes. Pelosi earns Four Pinocchios.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/17/nancy-pelosis-bogus-talking-point-gun-deaths-children/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #143 on: December 24, 2019, 04:51:33 PM »
Virginia Governor Northam Increases Corrections Budget In Anticipation Of Jailing Gun Owners
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As if Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam’s wholesale attack on law-abiding gun owners wasn’t enough, the disgraced public official and his Michael Bloomberg-bought allies in the General Assembly now want the state’s hard-working taxpayers to foot the bill for their unconstitutional schemes. The budget bill (HB30) includes an appropriation of a quarter million dollars to carry out a host of gun control measures that Northam and his anti-gun allies hope to enact.

The $250,000 is appropriated to the Corrections Special Reserve Fund in order to provide for the “increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment” of Northam’s gun control measures. Among the enumerated laws that this allocation is meant to fund is a ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, the criminalization of private firearms transfers, and gun confiscation orders issued without due process.

Aside from the insult of forcing law-abiding Virginia taxpayers to pay for the diminution of their rights, the gun control allocation is a severe waste of resources. Northam’s Bloomberg-backed gun control measures will not make Virginia safer.

In additional to being unconstitutional, a ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms will not reduce violent crime.

Long guns of any description are rarely used in violent crime. FBI Uniform Crime Reporting data breaks down homicides by weapon type. In 2018, the FBI reported that there were five times as many individuals listed as killed with “knives or cutting instruments,” than with rifles of any kind. The data also showed that rifles were listed as being used in less homicides than “blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)” or “personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.).”

A 1997 Department of Justice-funded study of the 1994 federal “assault weapons” ban determined that “At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders.” A 2004 follow-up Department of Justice-funded study came to a similar conclusion. The study determined that “AWs [assault weapons] and LCMs [large capacity magazines] were used in only a minority of gun crimes prior to the 1994 federal ban,” “relatively few attacks involve more than 10 shots fired,” and “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”

So-called “universal” background checks do not stop criminals from obtaining firearms.

Background checks don’t stop criminals from stealing firearms, getting them on the black market, or getting them from straw purchasers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, 75 percent of criminals in state and federal state prison who had possessed a firearm during their offense acquired the firearm through theft, “Off the street/underground market,” or “from a family member or friend, or as a gift.” Less than one percent got firearms from dealers or non-dealers at gun shows. ATF has reported, “[t]he most frequent type of trafficking channel identified in ATF investigations is straw purchasing from federally licensed firearms dealers.”

This year, researchers at the Bloomberg School of Public Health and the UC Davis School of Medicine found that comprehensive background checks and prohibitions based on violent misdemeanors “were not associated with changes in firearm suicide or homicide.”

Aside from enabling the unacceptable deprivation of constitutional rights without due process, an Extreme Risk Protection Order (Red Flag) law is unnecessary in Virginia because the state already has strong and effective civil commitment laws.

Under Virginia law, a law enforcement officer may take an individual into emergency custody for a mental health evaluation without prior court approval. A person detained in this manner is then evaluated to determine whether they meet the criteria for a temporary detention. A person that was subject to a temporary detention order and subsequently agreed to voluntary admission to a mental health facility is prohibited from possessing firearms until their rights are restored by a court.

Tax-paying Virginians should not have to foot the bill for Northam and Bloomberg’s radical attack on their fundamental rights.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/24/virginia-governor-northam-increases-corrections-budget-in-anticipation-of-jailing-gun-owners/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #144 on: December 25, 2019, 08:10:05 AM »
BOOgaloo :D
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #145 on: December 31, 2019, 01:46:53 PM »
Biden deserves brickbats for earlier criticism of Texas gun law, says CCRKBA

Former Vice President Joe Biden deserves every brickbat being thrown in his direction in the aftermath of Sunday’s church shooting incident in Texas for declaring in September that the state’s new law allowing guns in churches is “irrational,” the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

But Biden should not be alone in the hot seat, said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb.

“The deafening silence from Biden’s fellow Democrats still in the presidential race is equally telling,” Gottlieb observed. “Not one of them has stepped forward to offer even faint praise for the courage of Jack Wilson, who used his legally-carried pistol to stop the shotgun-wielding killer from wreaking more havoc at the West Freeway Church of Christ.

“The gun control crowd has been predictably silent,”
he continued, “because the use of firearms by private citizens in defense of themselves and others—especially a large crowd of worshippers in a church—just doesn’t fit the extremist gun control narrative.”

Sunday’s tragic incident was ended in six seconds after the gunman, identified as a man with a criminal record in at least three states, fatally shot two members of the church congregation. Wilson’s quick action and accuracy prevented further carnage.

“Within seconds,” Gottlieb noted, “video of the tragic incident revealed at least seven more church members with drawn guns carefully closing in on the downed killer. Their responsible use of firearms to defend their fellow congregants is exactly why Texas enacted its new laws. At the very least, Biden should apologize for his earlier criticism.

“Biden’s trash talk in September symbolizes everything wrong with his party’s increasing hostility toward law-abiding gun owners and the Second Amendment,” he said. “This year, we’ve already heard proposals for mandatory buybacks, registration and licensing, gun bans and Beto O’Rourke’s outright threat of confiscation. If anyone has been irrational, it’s Biden and his fellow Democrats for their demagoguery and anti-rights hysteria.

“What happened Sunday in Texas,” Gottlieb concluded, “reminded us all of individual heroism, and that actions always speak louder than words, and that brave people act while politicians pontificate.

https://www.ccrkba.org/biden-deserves-brickbats-for-earlier-criticism-of-texas-gun-law-says-ccrkba/

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #146 on: December 31, 2019, 04:33:25 PM »
Since 2016 and Trump I've voted 100% democrat.
You sound TDS retarded.

However, I am at odds with the dems on gun control and demonizing the NRA.
I own an AR-15 and have been an NRA member for many years.

I applaud the brave Texas church member who shot the crazed terrorist when he wielded a shot gun in church.
This event proves that restricting certain fire arms won't prevent these attacks and he used a shot gun NOT an AR-15.
It also shows ,having a trained, armed person in the crowd, prevented more from being killed by the maniac.
This sounds logical
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #147 on: December 31, 2019, 05:16:45 PM »
Since 2016 and Trump I've voted 100% democrat.
However, I am at odds with the dems on gun control and demonizing the NRA.
I own an AR-15 and have been an NRA member for many years.

I applaud the brave Texas church member who shot the crazed terrorist when he wielded a shot gun in church.
This event proves that restricting certain fire arms won't prevent these attacks and he used a shot gun NOT an AR-15.
It also shows ,having a trained, armed person in the crowd, prevented more from being killed by the maniac.


Yet you created a thread with this title:  "Texas church shooting this weekend, proves gun control won't prevent this stuff."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=659572.0

Troll.

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #148 on: January 01, 2020, 06:33:14 PM »
Yet you created a thread with this title:  "Texas church shooting this weekend, proves gun control won't prevent this stuff."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=659572.0

Troll.


And let me guess...
The thread was either modified or deleted... AGAIN. ::)


I know I'm beating a dead horse here - or, more appropriately in howard's case, a dead JACKASS - but it has been PROVEN that coward possesses special privileges (left over from a FAILED experiment by Ron years ago) enabling him to modify threads he starts.
Several of us called him out on abuse of it, and of course, he denied everything (just as he denies ALL of the self-embarrassing shit he says on here), and, even worse, blamed "some mod" for the past actions.

coward, you are ball-less, pathetic oxygen thief. And, if you really did serve in the military, I'd hate to have shared a fox hole with your sorry ass. I'm surprised you didn't die from "friendly fire."

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Re: Gun Control
« Reply #149 on: January 01, 2020, 08:34:49 PM »

Ok....  gun control is always one of the most heated debates out there.  But deleting debating remarks, and not trolling remarks, isnt cool.

There are always good points on both sides, no matter what.

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