18 inch arms at 75 years old!

[chess315]

Have you thought seriously what you will be doing when your a 100 that's where these threads are going you won't be on the dead pool tell 2050 if this doesn't prove 20mg dbol won't kill you I don't know what does

[werewolf operative]

Are you in contact with my psychiatrist???

He said that i am immature just today

Strange

Was that court ordered?

[chess315]

that's good wes how old are you now I even old lol

[SF1900]

Have you thought seriously what you will be doing when your a 100 that's where these threads are going you won't be on the dead pool tell 2050 if this doesn't prove 20mg dbol won't kill you I don't know what does

DJ181 will be 100 years old, still struggling to get his arms up to 16 1/2"

[chess315]

DJ181 will be 100 years old, still struggling to get his arms up to 16 1/2"

I think it about time to implement the 30yr low dose dbol cycle

[biff]

Just about all beliefs on Getbig is broscience. Hope this helps.

your beliefs are the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic 75 year old mind

[SF1900]

I think it about time to implement the 30yr low dose dbol cycle

haha 30 year!! 

[chess315]

Some of them would have to have done it I could see a person run high dosage bridging with very little getting away with it

[IRON CROSS]

Today my arms measure 18 inches cold. Very pleased with my progress. I also proved that broscience is mistaken and that hypertrophy can occur in old age. Not that I consider myself old.

I can tell you the recent workouts were brutal. Heavy weights used and training to failure on all sets after a warmup. Two exercises supersetted. Biceps-supinator machine for biceps and a modified Nautilus triceps machine for triceps. Frequency was extended to maybe every 4Th or 5th day because of tenderness in the elbows or other worries....like a sore shoulder obtained from lifting something out behind me in my vehicle.

I want to make a separate thread and not post in the sorry DJ thread about my achievement. No photo today. I am aiming for 18 1/2 inches by the New Year. Even 18 1/4 will be satisfactory because I never had arms over 17 3/4 when I was competing. That was off season then and something like 17 1/4 on contest day. Today I am over 230 pounds so am carrying a bit too much safety fat. I don't see other men my age looking solid like I do.

My strength has increased heaps in the last 3 months. I am using more on both machines than in the past. My protocol is warming up with a light resistance then adding a plate for following sets. As strength goes up so do the number of sets. Over 3 months my total sets have increased by 5 sets. I also do 5 sets on the maximum resistance. I rest long enough to do more than 10 reps.

Building more muscle is very satisfying because so many people scoff at the idea that hypertrophy is possible over 70. It is not only possible but increases beyond previous maximums are also possible.

 Self proclaimed "world pinch-grip" champ is gone very quit about his progress 

[Dave D]

 Self proclaimed "world pinch-grip" champ is gone very quit about his progress 

Talk like that to Vince and he will RIP your ribs out with his bare hands.

[Vince B]

Listen to the wannabes and never-will-bes.

Most trainees understand that the bigger you get the more weight you have to lift. Those heavy loads impact on the joints and you have to tread carefully if you have previous injuries.

It is one thing to hit the 18 inch barrier and quite another to soar past it. Especially if you are totally drug free.

Recently I had a go at athletics as I compete from time to time in the masters events. Discus, shot, javelin, hammer and heavy weight. My right elbow doesn't feel that great after a

throwing session. Discus doesn't hurt but the javelin and shot can cause pain in the elbow. So I will wait and see if I want to compete. Trouble is there are few competitors so it is like

throwing in the wind. Nobody knows or cares.

[IRON CROSS]

Listen to the wannabes and never-will-bes.

Most trainees understand that the bigger you get the more weight you have to lift. Those heavy loads impact on the joints and you have to tread carefully if you have previous injuries.

It is one thing to hit the 18 inch barrier and quite another to soar past it. Especially if you are totally drug free.

Recently I had a go at athletics as I compete from time to time in the masters events. Discus, shot, javelin, hammer and heavy weight. My right elbow doesn't feel that great after a

throwing session. Discus doesn't hurt but the javelin and shot can cause pain in the elbow. So I will wait and see if I want to compete. Trouble is there are few competitors so it is like

throwing in the wind. Nobody knows or cares.

Oh no another capitulation 

 
 
 

[chuckles]

What I have learned since 1968 lifting weights is that muscular growth happens quite slowly most of the time. You usually cannot see the growth happening except over months.

Second point is that there is a relationship between muscular size and strength. If you can bench 225 for 10 reps and have X size arms then if you can bench 275 for 10 reps your arms will be X + 1" or so.

Third point is there are few guys who build huge arms. How come? Well, it could be several things and maybe more than one factor combining to make a difference.
In any population some people are taller, smarter, or whatever we want to measure. Thus, some males will have larger muscles. This is a statistical phenomenon.
One reason for having few huge guys is that perhaps the effort required goes up exponentially. It might take twice or three times the effort to go from 17 inch arms to 19 inch arms.
Since most guys won't invest that much effort or are incapable of doing so, that would explain why there are not many guys with huge arms.
I deduce from these considerations that muscles are reluctant to hypertrophy to the huge state. That means you have to train in a fashion that gives the muscles a reason or need to get bigger.
If this is so then you have to do something extraordinary to keep a muscle growing....it certainly won't grow unless the stimulus is there. I conclude that when I train I have to go to failure
on most sets after warming up. Huge muscles are capable of repeating heavy efforts many times after a short rest. That means I have to do many sets with a stimulating resistance. What I do
is keep the weight the same but rest a bit longer between sets. Of course there are many 'equivalent' protocols that might work as well. You accumulate a few seconds from each set to failure and these add up if
enough sets to failure are done. Perhaps 1 to 2 minutes of extreme intensity must be accumulated from many sets taken to failure. This could be 10 to 20 total sets for biceps and triceps.

Experience has shown me that some exercises are more effective than others re hypertrophy. So this can make a huge difference. You have to find out by trial and error or learn from guys who have
this information. In my case I modified or invented equipment that is more effective for arm training.

How about frequency? When is the ideal time to retrain the growing muscle? This has not been established by exercise science. If we look at when protein synthesis slows or stops then perhaps training
every 2nd or 3rd day is optimal. Mike Mentzer insisted that many trainees required longer intervals to cause more hypertrophy. It is controversial whether a muscle needs to recover before another workout.
Anecdotal information suggests that muscles can still grow even if not fully recovered. There is the issue of repeated bout effect that has to be overcome. Training while still a little sore might overcome that RBE.

Another factor here is safety. The most effective exercises and protocols might not be the safest. I found out through personal experience that it is easy to damage the sheath that goes over the elbow joint.
What this means is that when you train biceps or triceps you have to make sure your elbows don't contact pads. The friction there will cause damage which will be experienced as pain. Everything is compounded
by the fact that the growing muscle is becoming much stronger. When really heavy weights are lifted they are also dangerous. One way to reduce the risk of injury is to both warm up longer and to do more reps.
If you keep the reps over 10 and aim at somewhere around 15 that might be all round safer and more effective. After the 3rd heavy set what happens is that you can't do as many reps. If you start with 15 reps you
might decrease to about 7 to 10 by the 5th set. When the reps drop off significantly this might be the signal that hypertrophy will occur.

Which bring up another factor in hypertrophy. Larry Scott found that if he could pump his arms larger than ever then they would be bigger the next day. That means you should always aim at getting a bigger pump.
Doing more reps is one way to increase the blood flow in the muscle. Occlusion might contribute to hypertrophy as well. Which is partly why pumping works.

Let us now mention waste products while training and beyond. Larry would train to an extremely painful lactic acid state over and over. No pain, no gain is the message here. Again, just about everyone knew about
this saying but the reality is few ever persist with this kind of training. It takes a certain extreme motivation and even craziness to persist with extremely painful training.

The other pain from damage and waste products is the Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness that occasionally appears after doing something new or extraordinary. That soreness can persist for days after say training calves really hard. This phenomenon usually occurs when one is starting resistance training and disappears after a week or two of weight training. We can ask both what is happening in the muscles to cause this pain and
also why that pain happens at all. DOMS seems to be a message to the brain to take it easy and not to repeat what caused the soreness. We all know this and most personal trainers hold back on the sets when initiating anyone to weight training. Do two sets and not more and there shouldn't be too much soreness the following days. This is common sense re broscience.

Now consider this thought experiment. What would happen to a muscle if the stimulus was such that after each and every workout significant DOMS resulted and persisted for a few days? Would the muscle grow rapidly?
It is my conjecture that they would, in fact, keep growing rapidly. There would be an increase in strength as well and this increase would be substantial.

That is all I want to discuss at the moment. Intelligent people should be able to distill what to do from these considerations. Hypertrophy is not only possible but inevitable if these principles are applied correctly.
Sometimes knowledge isn't sufficient. What is also a requirement is correct application of those principles. Unless sufficient mechanical tension of adequate intensity is applied for the right amount of time then rapid hypertrophy won't and can't occur. This is where some might require an instructor to guide the process. Some people literally can't get results even when guided which is surprising but a reality. I suspect that DJ is one of these people. If you watch his form when doing dips on that Technogym  machine then it is clear he is devoid of sense and ability to train properly.

One point not mentioned is that occasional lay offs might help hypertrophy.

so do you squat vince? never mind your arms what do you look like overall with your shirt off?

[chuckles]

I mean a strong lower body is more important as you age than doing some concentration curls like a 14 year old in his bedroom. Just my opinion Vince. why worry about flexing your arm at your age when your body is a ball of fat? do you train your heart? high rep full body work Vince is the answer.

[IRON CROSS]

Talk like that to Vince and he will RIP your ribs out with his bare hands.

 

[chuckles]

this is what i mean. ANABOLIC TORMENT !!

[Vince B]

Gimmicks and dorks galore on Getbig. All 'experts' who have done almost nothing themselves.

At my age I will do what I please because I accept responsibility for whatever I choose to do.

I well remember believing the typical trim down when you are older scenario. We all believed that.

Losing fat at my age might be simple but it is not easy. I elect to have a go seeing if hypertrophy is

possible for grandfathers. Yes, it is, which I knew already. Still a good goal to see if I can develop larger

arms that in my prime and when I was taking two Dianabol tablets a day for 6 weeks. The largest they

were in 1975 was 17 3/4 cold. I surpassed that size in 1999 and again last year. Now my next goal is

to see if I can stimulate more hypertrophy. Seems as good a goal as anything else I can think of.

[chuckles]

Gimmicks and dorks galore on Getbig. All 'experts' who have done almost nothing themselves.

At my age I will do what I please because I accept responsibility for whatever I choose to do.

I well remember believing the typical trim down when you are older scenario. We all believed that.

Losing fat at my age might be simple but it is not easy. I elect to have a go seeing if hypertrophy is

possible for grandfathers. Yes, it is, which I knew already. Still a good goal to see if I can develop larger

arms that in my prime and when I was taking two Dianabol tablets a day for 6 weeks. The largest they

were in 1975 was 17 3/4 cold. I surpassed that size in 1999 and again last year. Now my next goal is

to see if I can stimulate more hypertrophy. Seems as good a goal as anything else I can think of.

why get upset ? why just be obsessed by your arm size at 75? sorry bro but i don't get it.

[chuckles]

you should be training for overall health training your back,chest,shoulder,legs & cardio. The last thing you should be training is Biceps. You are going backwards in your thinking. young kids just train arms.

[Vince B]

you should be training for overall health training your back,chest,shoulder,legs & cardio. The last thing you should be training is Biceps. You are going backwards in your thinking. young kids just train arms.

Young guys might choose a silly name like yours.

I choose to use myself as an experiment re arm size. I do hiking for photography and that is sufficient for minimal fitness. Having large, muscular arms is very satisfying to me. It is like reversing the ageing process.

[chuckles]

Young guys might choose a silly name like yours.

I choose to use myself as an experiment re arm size. I do hiking for photography and that is sufficient for minimal fitness. Having large, muscular arms is very satisfying to me. It is like reversing the ageing process.

OK,OK..if you are young in your mind but your body is not. Think about that.

[Mitch]

isn't the fat blob dead already?

[chuckles]

isn't the fat blob dead already?

He seems a nice Guy just a bit misguided with his training philosophy.

[chuckles]

Maybe it's a cry for attention starting such a thread, i do not know.

[_bruce_]

GREAT physique!

And Vince, props on having big trucker arms and I don't mean this in a derogatory way.