A nurse at a children's hospital speaks out

[Simple Simon]

I think human beings of all races are wired to be very tribal.  I think that there is a good reason for that historically.  It can be problematic when all the "tribes" attempt to live together as one people like we are now.  I'm not saying that multiculturalism is bad, quite the opposite.  But we have to realize that what modern society is attempting to do right now is very counter to the nature of all human beings, not just whites.

we look different so we know whos who on the battlefield...

[Pray_4_War]

This is my opinion.....

Fearing, distrusting and disliking people that aren't like you is tribalism, and tribalism is born and not made.

Disliking and avoiding people based on their behavior is often incorrectly called racism, and that kind of "racism" is made an not born.

[Thin Lizzy]

This is my opinion.....

Fearing, distrusting and disliking people that aren't like you is tribalism, and tribalism is born and not made.

Disliking and avoiding people based on their behavior is often incorrectly called racism, and that kind of "racism" is made an not born.

In New York City, blacks often have a hard time getting a cab.  In the past, this was blamed on white racism. A funny thing happened though. Virtually all of the white drivers left the business and were replaced by people of color from other countries. Yet to this day blacks still have a hard time getting a cab. Why? It was never about racism. It was always about the risk of being taken into a bad neighborhood and getting robbed.

[Zillotch]

It was never about racism.

the true driving force.. the purpose - behind everything... is to exterminate white fuking people. if not dead... then demonize them so heavily, they become completely dehumanized.. so hated... that they kill themselves, instead of waiting around for some charitable pigmented person to do it. which they will do. this is your future.

[Thin Lizzy]

the true driving force.. the purpose - behind everything... is to exterminate white fuking people. if not dead... then demonize them so heavily, they become completely dehumanized.. so hated... that they kill themselves, instead of waiting around for some charitable pigmented person to do it. which they will do. this is your future.

I see it more as certain groups trying to rationalize their under performance by claiming that there was cheating. For example in Silicon Valley, the reason for the scarcity of female programmers couldn’t be that women as a group are just less into computers than men. It has to be sexism.

It can’t be that blacks as a group act less civilized and whites. It has to be white racism.

[Zillotch]

the world must become inversed... its happening before your eyes now... annihilation of genetic soundness is part of that program.

[SuperTed]

I think human beings of all races are wired to be very tribal.  I think that there is a good reason for that historically.  It can be problematic when all the "tribes" attempt to live together as one people like we are now.  I'm not saying that multiculturalism is bad, quite the opposite.  But we have to realize that what modern society is attempting to do right now is very counter to the nature of all human beings, not just whites.

I think there are studies that show even babies display racial bias, that we are most attracted to and empathetic towards those who look like us. While it may seem noble to treat everyone as individuals, it's also naive to ignore the importance of in-group preferences along with the very real differences within populations (whether that is racial or cultural).

[Al Doggity]

Ok, please give some examples.  

Well, here's a start. I've literally posted pages and pages of examples and reports over the years and the response is usually "HuffPo?  " "New York Times?  ""John Oliver?  " So, if interested, it'll be easy to find more stuff about how broken our justice system is. I suspect you won't be interested enough to even start either of the videos, which is fine. Not going to treat this like a college assignment, though.

[Fallsview]

I got into an hour long debate with a liberal progressive that wanted me to believe that "blacks act that way because they are poor and have been kept down by whites."  He stated that only until recently these problems with hiring and being equal have been partially rectified and that blacks are afraid of being killed by police everytime they are pulled over.

He believes that the government is keeping the blacks down by giving them welfare and not educating them.

At the end of the conversation, nothing was resolved and he started swearing at me after I told him that he was isolated and his only contact with black people was the hour he spent stopping at an inner city Denny's every other month. He said I was insulting him and left.






STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Al Doggity]

so blacks are FORCED to vote against their own interests? 

Oh, because blacks are the most influential voting bloc and have decided every election for the last 70+ years? Because blacks have controlled the majority of legislative and judicial decisions over that time period?  

[Al Doggity]

Al is one of those black guys who thinks that white people spend the entire day looking for new and innovative ways to oppress blacks.

No, I'm not, but if my only experience with white people was through this site, that would be a pretty reasonable conclusion to come to. You are one of at least a dozen regular users who post mainly about race, and two others alluded to a coming race war on the first page of this thread. But, yeah, I'm the  getbigger most preoccupied with race. 

Here’s another inconvenient truth. The term trade infers two parties. The way the slave trade worked was that European traders would show up on boats filled with merchandise that they would trade for slaves. With  whom were they trading?

And, like I said, slavery here was a completely distinct thing from what Africa and the rest of the world were doing. The concept of American slavery changed a lot here over the course of its life. The idea of not being able to buy or work your way out of servitude was not common to most forms of slavery.  The idea of children being born into lifetime servitude was not common before American slavery. These are just two examples.There are several others.

[Al Doggity]

he's gutless... lol. he kills animals, and shit tho... to vent his rage. probably. bet he killed his cat as a kid

 

[Thin Lizzy]

Well, here's a start. I've literally posted pages and pages of examples and reports over the years and the response is usually "HuffPo?  " "New York Times?  ""John Oliver?  " So, if interested, it'll be easy to find more stuff about how broken our justice system is. I suspect you won't be interested enough to even start either of the videos, which is fine. Not going to treat this like a college assignment, though.

Essentially it’s a chicken and egg argument. Your side is always claiming racism because of laws that disproportionately affect blacks,. The counter argument is that blacks are disproportionately affected because they commit a disproportionate amount of every type of crime.  The only way for blacks not to be disproportionately affected would be to make every single type of crime legal. Your type don’t seem to want to accept that reality and will inevitably fall back on the old standbys: racism, oppression, slavery.


Btw, The slave traders traded with the locals in Africa who sold their own people down the river for a few pots pans and blankets. So spare me the moral superiority act.

This whole American slavery is unique thing is just a recent development out of the minds of leftists who had to deal with the inconvenience truth of people starting to point out that slavery didn’t originate in United States and was a worldwide practice which pre-dated written history.

[Al Doggity]

Essentially it’s a chicken and egg argument. Your side is always claiming racism because of laws that disproportionately affect blacks,. The counter argument is that blacks are disproportionately affected because they commit a disproportionate amount of every type of crime.  The only way for blacks not to be disproportionately affected would be to make every single type of crime legal. Your type don’t seem to want to accept that reality and will inevitably fall back on the old standbys: racism, oppression, slavery.

Not quite. Once again, not going to turn this into an assignment cuz I've posted all this shit before (most likely, in at least one exchange with you) but statistically, whites are slightly more likely to use drugs and sell drugs, but drug possession is far and away the leading cause of incarceration among black and latino men. That is largely due to policing efforts. Marijuana possession is consistently and exponentially the leading cause of arrests in NYC, and the entire reason for that is because it is a secondary offense discovered in targeted stops.

. And like I said, I knew none of you would feel it was worth your while to fire up the vids, but they don't address a matter of what came first. They address what have been bi-partisanly described as unfair sentencing practices. Even Ted Cruz has denounced mandatory sentencing, one of the major catalysts in the exploding incarceration rates of the last 3 decades.

[Thin Lizzy]

Not quite. Once again, not going to turn this into an assignment cuz I've posted all this shit before (most likely, in at least one exchange with you) but statistically, whites are slightly more likely to use drugs and sell drugs, but drug possession is far and away the leading cause of incarceration among black and latino men. That is largely due to policing efforts. Marijuana possession is consistently and exponentially the leading cause of arrests in NYC, and the entire reason for that is because it is a secondary offense discovered in targeted stops.

. And like I said, I knew none of you would feel it was worth your while to fire up the vids, but they don't address a matter of what came first. They address what have been bi-partisanly described as unfair sentencing practices. Even Ted Cruz has denounced mandatory sentencing, one of the major catalysts in the exploding incarceration rates of the last 3 decades.

34 arrests yet somehow was still out on the street. Boy, that’s one tough justice system!

https://nypost.com/2017/11/28/man-charged-with-fatally-stabbing-grandmother/

Moore, who has 34 prior arrests, has been charged with murder, assault and possession of a weapon, police said.

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Oh yeah, now I remember John Oliver. He’s that fucking idiot who dared Trump to run for president. Yeah, let’s take him seriously.


Btw, You got that marijuana argument from some leftist sociology professor. I saw somebody posting that on Twitter. The logic goes like this:  blacks and whites smoke marijuana at the same rate yet blacks are arrested for marijuana possession at a much higher rate. Therefore marijuana laws are racist.

The gaping hole in that theory is that it doesn’t take other crimes into account.  Blacks and Hispanics commit EVERY type of crime at an insanely high rate and as a result have more interactions with law enforcement and therefore are more likely to be busted for marijuana possession.


https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2016-enforcement-report.pdf


The race/ethnicity of known Petit Larceny suspects are most frequently Black (51.1%) or Hispanic (28.4%). White suspects account for an additional (16.2%) of all Petit Larceny suspects while Asian/Pacific Islanders account for (4.1%) of the known Petit Larceny suspects.

Misdemeanor Assault suspects are most frequently Black (50.3%) or Hispanic (33.7%). White suspects account for an additional (10.5%) of all Misdemeanor Assault suspects while Asian/Pacific Islanders accounted for (5.1%) of the known Misdemeanor Assault suspects.

Misdemeanor Sex Crime suspects are most frequently Black (42.4%) and Hispanic (36.8%). White suspects account for (13.7%) of all Misdemeanor Sex Crime suspects while Asian/Pacific Islanders accounted for (6.4%) of the known Misdemeanor Sex Crime suspects

[Al Doggity]

Btw, You got that marijuana argument from some leftist sociology professor. I saw somebody posting that on Twitter. The logic goes like this:  blacks and whites smoke marijuana at the same rate yet blacks are arrested for marijuana possession at a much higher rate. Therefore marijuana laws are racist.

Don't know what you're talking about here.That leftist professor must've just been parroting what he has seen in leftist new york mainstream media because it's not a secret talking point. You can google it and see it in pretty much any outlet that covers new york (with the exception of the post, of course.) The statistic is for arrests in which possession is the highest charge.

[illuminati]

AL why do you keep ignoring this post
To many uncomfortable truths for you.?


You trying to blame the white man.
And Not Allow Blacks to take any Blame.

Your answer doesn't explain why the same patterns of Black Behaviour occur
All over the rest of the western world
Or why Africa is still so far behind
Or the overall low IQ levels of Blacks.

Don't accept the facts & just keep Blaming The White Man.
While Blacks Fcuk everything up & keep killing each other.

Blacks the only group of people ever to be slaves & be oppressed.  
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[Thin Lizzy]

Don't know what you're talking about here.That leftist professor must've just been parroting what he has seen in leftist new york mainstream media because it's not a secret talking point. You can google it and see it in pretty much any outlet that covers new york (with the exception of the post, of course.) The statistic is for arrests in which possession is the highest charge.

Your argument also doesn’t take into account prior criminal records. Blacks and Hispanics are way more likely to have one as a result of their behavior. They commit crimes of every kind on a disproportionate level compared to whites, remember?

Seriously, a day when a black junkie with 34 prior arrest stabs a 63-year-old grandmother to death might not be the best time to make this fucking argument.

The whole thing is irrelevant anyway. Even if the drug laws were changed blacks would still be getting locked up for robbing, raping and killing, and you’d have to come up with another lame excuse.

AL why do you keep ignoring this post
To many uncomfortable truths for you.?


You trying to blame the white man.
And Not Allow Blacks to take any Blame.

Your answer doesn't explain why the same patterns of Black Behaviour occur
All over the rest of the western world
Or why Africa is still so far behind
Or the overall low IQ levels of Blacks.

Don't accept the facts & just keep Blaming The White Man.
While Blacks Fcuk everything up & keep killing each other.

Blacks the only group of people ever to be slaves & be oppressed.  

Al and his ilk actually got what they wanted in Chicago. Enforcement declined dramatically and these are the results:

Chicago police activity declines as murders spike, data shows - CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-chicago-police-activity-declines-as-murders-spike-data-shows/

[Pray_4_War]

the true driving force.. the purpose - behind everything... is to exterminate white fuking people. if not dead... then demonize them so heavily, they become completely dehumanized.. so hated... that they kill themselves, instead of waiting around for some charitable pigmented person to do it. which they will do. this is your future.

I see it more as certain groups trying to rationalize their under performance by claiming that there was cheating. For example in Silicon Valley, the reason for the scarcity of female programmers couldn’t be that women as a group are just less into computers than men. It has to be sexism.

It can’t be that blacks as a group act less civilized and whites. It has to be white racism.

I think you are both right.

[Al Doggity]

Your argument also doesn’t take into account prior criminal records. Blacks and Hispanics are way more likely to have one as a result of their behavior. They commit crimes of every kind on a disproportionate level compared to whites, remember?

Seriously, a day when a black junkie with 34 prior arrest stabs a 63-year-old grandmother to death might not be the best time to make this fucking argument.

LOL Why not? Has getbig suddenly become the home of good taste and compassion? It's definitely not because it changes my argument.

My heart truly goes out to that woman's loved ones, but the guy who you are talking about  is a better example of the problems with the "justice" system. First of all, the guy was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness. Even if we have to speculate beyond the details of the murder, his family confirms his deteriorating mental state and his arrest record corroborates it. The Post ran a story attempting to paint the guy as a career criminal, but most of the arrests were things like fights with family members and stalking girlfriend, which is pretty easy to assume based on the length of time he served. The types of crimes and repetitiveness are consistent with someone who is having a mental collapse. Now I know dealing with mental health issues is only of concern to conservatives after a mass shooting happens and it's the "obvious and reasonable" alternative to gun control, but that same type of rationalization should be applied across the board. He did have two drug charges, but I can't believe you're suggesting that somehow everything would have worked out better had he served long sentences for them. If he was locked up 2-5 years, his mental health would have magically cleared up? This guy doesn't fall into what I was describing at all. I never said there was no crime among blacks. I never said that hideous things don't happen. What I did say is that the way the system works exacerbates the problem and creates a perpetual cycle. As tragic as that story is, it doesn't change that.

But I feel like I can already predict your next post:

"Another excuse... moving the goal post... now here's another example of something that had nothing to do with what you were talking about."

The whole thing is irrelevant anyway. Even if the drug laws were changed blacks would still be getting locked up for robbing, raping and killing, and you’d have to come up with another lame excuse.

No, it's not irrelevant because the drug charges are far and away the leading cause of arrest and incarceration. They are the sole driver of the exploding prison population of the last few decades.

[Thin Lizzy]

What is the point of this? I get it. You’re never going to admit that blacks are incarcerated in large numbers because they just commit a disproportionate number of crimes. The dismal state of black America is everybody’s fault except blacks.

As I said, your Leftist theories were implemented in Chicago and the results have been disastrous.  You, like most Libs, talk a good game but at the end of the day the result is failure. The reality is that either you police these areas aggressively or you’re going to have a out-of-control crime. Ironically, the people most affected by your Leftist theories are the law-abiding black people who unfortunately have to live in these areas.




What's Causing Chicago’s Homicide Spike? - The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/chicago-homicide-spike-2016/514331/

Street stops had been in steady decline since early 2014, when they peaked at 80,000 stops per month. By October 2015, they reached 60,000 per month and then plummeted sharply to 10,000 stops by December 2015.

The mental gymnastics some folks engage in to “believe” a forced narrative is truly astounding.

It’s essentially the same technique every time. Take a statistic or fact that on its surface looks damning and then show it without any context which would provide a reasonable explanation other than racism and sexism.  Then, use that statistic or fact  to make your case.

It’s understandable. No one likes to admit failure or to be associated with it.

[Al Doggity]

What's Causing Chicago’s Homicide Spike? - The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/chicago-homicide-spike-2016/514331/

Street stops had been in steady decline since early 2014, when they peaked at 80,000 stops per month. By October 2015, they reached 60,000 per month and then plummeted sharply to 10,000 stops by December 2015.

The following paragraph of that article:
There’s another complicating factor in the street-stops explanation. Unlike Chicago, other major U.S. cities that saw sharp declines in street stops didn’t experience rapid increases in homicides and other violent crimes afterwards. In 2011, the New York Police Department began to abandon its stop-and-frisk policy amid widespread public criticism of the practice and an ongoing legal battle over its constitutionality. Some observers predicted the city would be awash in blood for scaling down police stops and searches. But they were wrong: The city’s crime rates remained at historic lows even as stop-and-frisk searches plummeted to a tenth of their previous levels.



C'mon. You know what's going on Chicago and Baltimore is at least partly due to revenge under-policing. "You don't like us when we're locking everybody up? Well, we're not gonna lock anybody up."  There is a healthy middle-ground between no policing and law enforcement tactics so punitive that even "tough-on-crime"  repubs are willing to go on record condemning their unfairness and ineffectiveness.

[werewolf operative]

The following paragraph of that article:
There’s another complicating factor in the street-stops explanation. Unlike Chicago, other major U.S. cities that saw sharp declines in street stops didn’t experience rapid increases in homicides and other violent crimes afterwards. In 2011, the New York Police Department began to abandon its stop-and-frisk policy amid widespread public criticism of the practice and an ongoing legal battle over its constitutionality. Some observers predicted the city would be awash in blood for scaling down police stops and searches. But they were wrong: The city’s crime rates remained at historic lows even as stop-and-frisk searches plummeted to a tenth of their previous levels.



C'mon. You know what's going on Chicago and Baltimore is at least partly due to revenge under-policing. "You don't like us when we're locking everybody up? Well, we're not gonna lock anybody up."  There is a healthy middle-ground between no policing and law enforcement tactics so punitive that even "tough-on-crime"  repubs are willing to go on record condemning their unfairness and ineffectiveness.

[Thin Lizzy]

The following paragraph of that article:
There’s another complicating factor in the street-stops explanation. Unlike Chicago, other major U.S. cities that saw sharp declines in street stops didn’t experience rapid increases in homicides and other violent crimes afterwards. In 2011, the New York Police Department began to abandon its stop-and-frisk policy amid widespread public criticism of the practice and an ongoing legal battle over its constitutionality. Some observers predicted the city would be awash in blood for scaling down police stops and searches. But they were wrong: The city’s crime rates remained at historic lows even as stop-and-frisk searches plummeted to a tenth of their previous levels.



C'mon. You know what's going on Chicago and Baltimore is at least partly due to revenge under-policing. "You don't like us when we're locking everybody up? Well, we're not gonna lock anybody up."  There is a healthy middle-ground between no policing and law enforcement tactics so punitive that even "tough-on-crime"  repubs are willing to go on record condemning their unfairness and ineffectiveness.

Dude, the article from the Atlantic. It’s a left-wing newspaper. They’re trying to rationalize failure. If you look at other parts of the article they say that the correlation between decreased policing and rising crime offers little clarity. The only reason I used that article was to present the numbers.

Poor police can’t get a break. Too much policing and they’re no good. Too little and their no good.

Moreover, it’s not just Chicago and Baltimore. It’s pretty much every large city.

18 homicides set new mark in St. Tammany Parish | NOLA.com

http://www.nola.com/northshore/index.ssf/2017/11/18_homicides_set_new_mark_in_s.html


BTW. I haven’t heard the term revenge under-policing. Is that a new one in left-wing circles? I guess they’re going to use that to call for more policing while not looking at as though they’re pro police.

Here’s a radical idea. How about acting in a civilized way that doesn’t require so much police intervention?

I know they wouldn’t tell you this in sociology class but most cops are perfectly content to ride around in their car all day and stop for donuts occasionally. They’re  perfectly happy not to get involved if possible. Doing so in those neighborhoods is nothing but trouble. The people don’t cooperate and they’re always looking to sue the city.

[Al Doggity]

Dude, the article from the Atlantic. It’s a left-wing newspaper. They’re trying to rationalize failure. If you look at other parts of the article they say that the correlation between decreased policing and rising crime offers little clarity. The only reason I used that article was to present the numbers.

...and? The article used the directly comparable circumstances in NYC to show that the rise in crime can't be attributed to that alone. That wasn't an opinion. It's a fact.

BTW. I haven’t heard the term revenge under-policing. Is that a new one in left-wing circles? I guess they’re going to use that to call for more policing while not looking at as though they’re pro police.

No need to scour your left-wing professors' tweets. That one's all mine, but I'm pretty sure I've seen you post a variation of that here: that police are so afraid of getting into legal trouble these days that they're keeping a lower profile.