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« on: January 04, 2018, 06:05:44 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news like President Trump. This fits him to a T

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 04:06:45 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 06:01:10 AM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.



Please stop calling Straw Man a psychopath.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 07:03:27 AM »

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What I was going to say.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 12:55:30 PM »

mods please move this to the General Topics Board

Fair enough, let me fix the post to fit this board
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 02:10:10 PM »

The article & it’s parameters could fit virtually all politicians
And successfull people in any field

We see them characteristics over & over again everyday
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 02:34:04 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news like President Trump. This fits him to a T

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.



Trump has helped more minorities financially on his construction jobs than any other person that has ran for president in the history of the world, not just the United States. He was the first person in New York to put a female at the head of a building project worth over 50 million dollars. He essentially introduced women as head contractors on big jobs onto the mainstream and made it more norm.

"Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used."

^^ Above is literally EVERY single person in today's society. Not just psychopaths. Between social media, gaming and readily available drugs delusion is at an all-time high. Everyone is living in their own version of insanity and the center of their own movie. Single millennials especially.


Bernie hasn't held a real job in his life. His net worth is extremely low. He couldn't generate any sort of wealth for himself. Hard to believe he'd be able to generate it on a grand scale for hundreds of millions of Americans. The economy is booming while Trump is in office. So terrible isn't it? What an evil person.

"they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior"

So tell me what "Terrible behavior" Trump has exhibited? What, his butchered words from CNN that make him out to be a racist? When you clearly watch the videos of what he REALLY said about Mexican people, blacks etc it resembles nothing of what MSNBC or CNN is claiming he said. Or what, locker room talk that every single male friend of yours has talked about in their life? But because the media told you that it was wrong you have to believe it right?


I could go on and on. Face it Agnostic, you're stupid. Your political beliefs resemble those who don't like the competitive aspects of society that correlate directly to the success of people in America.

Get the eagle off of your profile picture. That represents America. And you support a party that openly shames it.





 
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2018, 03:45:56 PM »



Bernie hasn't held a real job in his life.


He used to be an author. That counts, right?  Grin


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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2018, 09:04:51 AM »

mods please move this to the General Topics Board

More like the Conspiracy Theories Board. 
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2018, 11:35:51 AM »

More like the Conspiracy Theories Board. 

Ok, let me state up front I realize not everyone shares this observation and that's fine. I am intrigued by that fact in and of itself. For me, Trump is so obvious the classic sociopath that he could be an example for college classes. He hits on every single checkmark. Others like yourself don't see that he is. I find that fascinating just on a psychological level
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 11:48:44 AM »

Ok, let me state up front I realize not everyone shares this observation and that's fine. I am intrigued by that fact in and of itself. For me, Trump is so obvious the classic sociopath that he could be an example for college classes. He hits on every single checkmark. Others like yourself don't see that he is. I find that fascinating just on a psychological level

Classic sociopath?  What definition are you using?  Surely not this one:  "a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sociopath
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 12:08:00 PM »

 “The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility


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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2018, 12:22:38 PM »

“The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility




You do realize there is a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?  You started off calling Trump a "classic sociopath."  When I gave you the definition of sociopath, you provide some sort of checklist for psychopaths. 

But even if we are now talking about psychopaths, how many of the criteria that you posted does one have to meet to be considered a psychopath?

Ok.  I'll make it easy for you.  If you are now calling Trump a "classic psychopath" (not sociopath), what is his score?  From the place you presumably got your checklist:

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2018, 12:56:37 PM »

This is just the latest narrative to attack Trump. The Russian thing is going nowhere. So, now they’re transitioning to “He’s crazy!!”

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 01:12:53 PM »

This is just the latest narrative to attack Trump. The Russian thing is going nowhere. So, now they’re transitioning to “He’s crazy!!”

Yawn.

They alternate between the Russia conspiracy theory, he's a sexual abuser, and he's literally mentally unfit.  None of them work.  Anyone who thinks these kinds of attacks are going to doom him didn't pay attention to the 2016 election. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 01:25:26 PM »

Dershowitz: Speculation About Trump's Mental Health 'Very Dangerous'
By Sandy Fitzgerald    |   Monday, 08 Jan 2018
 
The speculation about President Donald Trump's mental status is "very dangerous," and the 25th Amendment was not made to be invoked when parties don't agree about a president's "emotional makeup," Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Monday.

"I have railed against the criminalization of political difference," Dershowitz told Fox News' "Fox & Friends" program.

"The psychiatrist-ization of political difference is much more dangerous. It's what they did in Russia, it's what they did in China, it's what they did in an apartheid South Africa. If you don't like a candidate, first lock them up. If you can't lock him up, commit him to a mental hospital."

Yale Professor Bandy Lee earlier this month briefed several congressional Democrats and one Republican earlier this month over her concerns over the president's mental state, and Dershowitz said her comments that he is dangerous and may need to be restrained from action are in themselves dangerous.

"Imagine how dangerous that would be, and you know, psychiatrists are notoriously bad at predicting violence," said Dershowitz.

"Remember, what they are looking at are things they knew about since he was elected president," Dershowitz added. "I didn't like what I saw necessarily so I did what you do in a democracy, you vote for the candidate you prefer, I preferred Hillary Clinton. I knew about her, I knew about him. I made a balanced judgment. You don't lock them up. You don't put them in mental hospitals if you don't agree with them. So dangerous to democracy."

Meanwhile, the 25th Amendment is designed to be used to remove a president who is incapacitated.

"[It] is designed for when somebody has a stroke or somebody is unconscious, perhaps what happened when President [Woodrow] Wilson was president," said Dershowitz. "He had a serious stroke. It's not designed for differences about a person's emotional makeup."


In addition, Dershowitz said that politically, the 25th Amendment likely would not be invoked as the vice president would have to do that, and if the president disputed the matter, then it would have to be voted for by two thirds of both houses of congress.

"It would happen only if any president, I'm not talking about a particular one, had a major psychotic break," said Dershowitz. "Look, we once had a secretary of defense his name is [James] Forrestal, he jumped out of the window of the Walter Reed Center. He thought the communists were coming after him."

"Oh, by the way, one of the things [Lee] talks about that's a symptom of his mental illness is that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," said Dershowitz. "So did the majority of the Senate and majority of the House and so did I support that. Am I getting locked up next?"

Dershowitz on Monday also talked about the importance of allowing dissent on college campuses.

"There aren't enough college professors who stand up for the right of dissent," he said. "The students are doing it. They are doing a great job. They are not getting the support of the faculty or administrators."

The way to solve the issue is to fight back, Dershowitz added, while blaming college administrators for the unrest.

"I will tell you it's the administrators who don't have the courage to stand up to these students because they know these students could make their lives miserable," he said.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/alan-dershowitz-speculation-donald-trump-mental-health/2018/01/08/id/835780/
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 01:49:11 PM »

They alternate between the Russia conspiracy theory, he's a sexual abuser, and he's literally mentally unfit.  None of them work.  Anyone who thinks these kinds of attacks are going to doom him didn't pay attention to the 2016 election.  

With midterm elections coming up, the mainstream media water carriers are just trying to sway independent voters over to the Democrats. It’s the old “throw as much spaghetti as possible up against the wall and see what sticks” strategy. It’s really their only option as the Democrats have nothing else to offer besides “Trump sucks.”
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »

With midterm elections coming up, the mainstream media water carriers are just trying to sway independent voters over to the Democrats. It’s the old “throw as much spaghetti as possible up against the wall and see what sticks” strategy. It’s really their only option as the Democrats have nothing else to offer besides “Trump sucks.”

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2018, 03:26:50 PM »

You do realize there is a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?  You started off calling Trump a "classic sociopath."  When I gave you the definition of sociopath, you provide some sort of checklist for psychopaths.  

But even if we are now talking about psychopaths, how many of the criteria that you posted does one have to meet to be considered a psychopath?

Ok.  I'll make it easy for you.  If you are now calling Trump a "classic psychopath" (not sociopath), what is his score?  From the place you presumably got your checklist:

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5

according to some of the professionals, there is no difference, it can be used interchangeably. Some say there are slight differences like sociopath may have a small conscious though weak, it exist and they can have personal attachments, a psychopath has no such thing and has no attachments. Those are about it. so for the sake of this board, it doesn't matter   
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2018, 04:30:33 PM »

according to some of the professionals,

like all those "professionals" who were saying that Clinton would win in a landslide?
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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2018, 06:15:45 PM »

according to some of the professionals, there is no difference, it can be used interchangeably. Some say there are slight differences like sociopath may have a small conscious though weak, it exist and they can have personal attachments, a psychopath has no such thing and has no attachments. Those are about it. so for the sake of this board, it doesn't matter   

Ok.  For sake of discussion, let's assume they are the same.  You say Trump is a "classic sociopath."  What is his score based on the criteria you posted? 
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2018, 09:24:17 PM »

Ok.  For sake of discussion, let's assume they are the same.  You say Trump is a "classic sociopath."  What is his score based on the criteria you posted? 

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2018, 07:29:25 AM »

solid 40

What numbers did you assign to each part of the criteria? 
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2018, 07:42:03 AM »

Trump is not a psychopath, he has a heart of gold
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 05:47:42 PM »

Trump is not a psychopath, he has a heart of gold

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