Hello Getbig!

[BigRo]

Welcome back, Big Ro!

Living in stillness is liberating, for sure, but there is always a price to pay.
As you know, time is destruction (see, e.g., Krishna to Arjuna in Ch. 11 of the Bhagavad-Gita).
The past is nothing other than the obliterated present, which, being but a fleeting appearance, lacks real worth.
On its own, man's existence is vacuous, which is why boredom ensues to demand the vain attempt to fill its emptiness.
The Dharma, as you also know, requires teaching and obedience. It is corrective. Understanding requires clarity.
So, I believe you meant to write that your favorite way to pass time is to sit, doing nothing;
perhaps this is why too much gardening in the vineyard of "Om" led you to misspell 'pastime.'

Namaste,
Kahn

From the epic poem Savitri by Sri Aurobindo;

"But when God's messenger comes to help the world
 And lead the soul of earth to higher things,
 He too must carry the yoke he came to unloose;
 He too must bear the pang that he would heal:
 Exempt and unaffiliated by earth;s fate,
 How shall he cure the ills he never felt?
 He covers the world's agony with his calm;
 But though to the outward eye no sign appears
 And peace is given to our torn human hearts,
 The struggle is there and paid the unseen price"

The highest teaching is silence and the highest form of discipleship is merging in that silence. It is the best corrective.

Namaste

[BigRo]

Ok so your cruising right now big ro, when does your next cycle start and what will you be taking?

Ha, I stopped all that three years ago.

[pellius]

I work as a gardener, but yes pretty much, sitting doing nothing is my favourite pass time. The now is always fresh and never gets boring.

I'm a lot like that. I know there are some (many?) who always talk about how they always have go be
doing something. I think some (most) exaggerate just like when they say they don't watch much TV or
get by on 4-5 hours of sleep a night. There seems to be some kind of badge of honor in these things.

Not me. I very comfortable doing nothing and as I get older remaining motionless for extended periods of time seems far more natural to me. I wish I could watch more TV as I think I missed out on a lot of
good programs like Sopranos, Seinfield, CSI but just don't seem to have the time. After I get home from
work I just eat and hit the sack -- reading until I doze off (anywhere from a minute to two hours).

I really wish I could do more nothing. But the obstacle I have to being able to do more nothing is that I need to eat, I need to put a roof over my head, I need to get clothes... none of these that I am able
to do with any great efficiency. I need money to get people to do these things for me and far better than
I can ever do. With money I can find different people with very specific skills to do things that there is
no way I can master all those skills in my life time.

How much do you make gardening? Just a round figure. How much time do you have to spend gardening
to be able to afford you life style? And what is your lifestyle. How do you live? I know this is probably an
uncomfortable subject as spiritual guys tend to pooh-pooh material things. That it's kind of shallow to want to get things -- things to make your life more comfortable and easier and even pleasurable. To even get meaning out of things. I still keep the first car I ever bought brand new. It took me 38 years of life to be able to finally afford a brand spanking new car and it was something I was proud of. I know. It's just a car. Metal, plastic, rubber... and it has no feelings and is oblivious to the devotion I have for it. But we are not just spiritual beings -- we are also physical beings, flesh and blood.
All those wise, holy, above it all men who can hold their breath for 10 minutes, make their heart stop,
can sit in a freezer over night and heal others with just a wave of the hand still have to take a piss and fart throughout the day not to mention take a dump and hope they have some toilet paper handy.

[pellius]

Im eating up to a jar of all natural almond butter a day and still losing weight. Im drinking shakes in the night and still losing weight, can't break 195, been flucuating from 195-190, can't break the 200 barrier. I used to think it was a joke when bodybuilders like Dexter would say it's hard to get all this food in, or I struggle to eat all this food, I'm in that situation currently.

I can't remember who said it but it was mentioned that one of the things that is often neglected or ignored when assessing one's potential to be a top pro bodybuilder is the ability to eat. I know most people would find this odd as most people are fat. But there's a difference to being a 300lb blob and 300 pounds at under 10%. There's a metabolic cost just to having muscle even when it's idle. That requires calories. Remember Jay said how he was just sick of eating. How he had to get up in the middle of the night just to eat. For a top bodybuilder eating become work. I know for myself that I found it far more
difficult to eat when I'm not hungry than to not eat when I'm hungry. Force feeding myself made me in a constant state of nausea. You walk around like a slug and feel shitty. The worse is when you throw up in your mouth while you're sleeping.

Trying to keep a normal job while trying to be a pro bodybuilder is almost impossible when you have to be eating every 3 hours. 

[pellius]

Haha, dude I'm an ectomorph, I started bodybuilding at like 125-130, making to this weight to me is astonishing, if I stop training I'm very lean skinny guy.

I think one of the obstacles you face is that you insist on eating "clean". A concept I'm not really clear about.
For example, a Big Mac is not considered clean eating. In fact, a friend of mine remarked the other day that he was going to MCD for a "cheat" meal. I'm not sure what part of the Big Mac is dirty but I'm sure there
are some here that can lecture me for hours.

Anyway, the one thing that has always helped me gain weight was ice cream. Goes down easy and, well, who doesn't love ice cream? But for someone like you that hasn't eaten a potato chip since grade school this might be too taboo for you.

[pellius]

I am pretty sure most Catholics and Christians in general minus a few here and there would consider me quite heretical to say the least. But the thing is the teachings of Christ have been misunderstood and if he himself  were to return today, he would be deemed a heretic too by those who profess faith in him. For example the teaching about the Kingdom of Heaven essentially is pointing within oneself, to a making whole of oneself. It is entering the same state of being as Jesus lived in. This would be nothing short of luciferian blasphemy by many Christians who make a convoluted virtue out of excessive shaming of oneself as a pitiable sinner in the eyes of the most holy and perfect, as if this is what pleases God the most! What about Jesus saying "he who puts his hand to the plough and looks back is not fit for the kingdom of God"?

What is it about you or your beliefs that you think Catholics would find heretical?

[BigRo]

I'm a lot like that. I know there are some (many?) who always talk about how they always have go be
doing something. I think some (most) exaggerate just like when they say they don't watch much TV or
get by on 4-5 hours of sleep a night. There seems to be some kind of badge of honor in these things.

Not me. I very comfortable doing nothing and as I get older remaining motionless for extended periods of time seems far more natural to me. I wish I could watch more TV as I think I missed out on a lot of
good programs like Sopranos, Seinfield, CSI but just don't seem to have the time. After I get home from
work I just eat and hit the sack -- reading until I doze off (anywhere from a minute to two hours).

I really wish I could do more nothing. But the obstacle I have to being able to do more nothing is that I need to eat, I need to put a roof over my head, I need to get clothes... none of these that I am able
to do with any great efficiency. I need money to get people to do these things for me and far better than
I can ever do. With money I can find different people with very specific skills to do things that there is
no way I can master all those skills in my life time.

How much do you make gardening? Just a round figure. How much time do you have to spend gardening
to be able to afford you life style? And what is your lifestyle. How do you live? I know this is probably an
uncomfortable subject as spiritual guys tend to pooh-pooh material things. That it's kind of shallow to want to get things -- things to make your life more comfortable and easier and even pleasurable. To even get meaning out of things. I still keep the first car I ever bought brand new. It took me 38 years of life to be able to finally afford a brand spanking new car and it was something I was proud of. I know. It's just a car. Metal, plastic, rubber... and it has no feelings and is oblivious to the devotion I have for it. But we are not just spiritual beings -- we are also physical beings, flesh and blood.
All those wise, holy, above it all men who can hold their breath for 10 minutes, make their heart stop,
can sit in a freezer over night and heal others with just a wave of the hand still have to take a piss and fart throughout the day not to mention take a dump and hope they have some toilet paper handy.

I hear you, it is not easy to find balance between the spiritual and practical. We have to keep our heads soaring high while keeping our feet sanely planted on mother earth. Even Jesus had to do the do do, perhaps he even had a morning wood now and then after too much wine. God forbid!

[BigRo]

What is it about you or your beliefs that you think Catholics would find heretical?

Oh where to begin!

[dj181]

not that desperate for cash, if it gets to that point, I'll go the Skinamax soft core porn route.
I hear ya, but at 195-190, dieted down I'll land around 170-175 tops, need to be bigger than that dude.

As Blakely says.... Carry candy barw on you at all times and add mayo and oil to everythung you eat

[be back]

I think one of the obstacles you face is that you insist on eating "clean". A concept I'm not really clear about.
For example, a Big Mac is not considered clean eating. In fact, a friend of mine remarked the other day that he was going to MCD for a "cheat" meal. I'm not sure what part of the Big Mac is dirty but I'm sure there
are some here that can lecture me for hours.

Anyway, the one thing that has always helped me gain weight was ice cream. Goes down easy and, well, who doesn't love ice cream? But for someone like you that hasn't eaten a potato chip since grade school this might be too taboo for you.

this, virtually impossible trying to gain weight while eating what's described as clean food, you simply cant get enough cals because of the volume to calorie ratio.

[pellius]

From the epic poem Savitri by Sri Aurobindo;

"But when God's messenger comes to help the world
 And lead the soul of earth to higher things,
 He too must carry the yoke he came to unloose;
 He too must bear the pang that he would heal:
 Exempt and unaffiliated by earth;s fate,
 How shall he cure the ills he never felt?
 He covers the world's agony with his calm;
 But though to the outward eye no sign appears
 And peace is given to our torn human hearts,
 The struggle is there and paid the unseen price"

The highest teaching is silence and the highest form of discipleship is merging in that silence. It is the best corrective.

Namaste

I know this is an example of my shallowness but phrases like this, though sounding profound, make absolutely no sense to me. Knowledge is past on through communication. Unless you are talking hand signals or writing notes back and forth to each other. Of course one could say that reading books is the highest form of teaching and it is relatively noiseless but even Plato's Republic would not have come about without a lot of yakking back and forth with Socrates who was all about the "dialogue".

I'm tempted to quote something from the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam but don't want to sound too pretentiously pedantic. But in keeping with the spirit I'll offer something more my speed.
"I see nobody down the road," said Alice.
"I only wish I had such eyes!" the kind remarked in a fretful tone.
"To be able to see Nobody. And at that distance, too! Why its as much as
I can do to see real people by this light."

--Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There

[pellius]

Oh where to begin!

Hmm, from the beginning?

[pellius]

this, virtually impossible trying to gain weight while eating what's described as clean food, you simply cant get enough cals because of the volume to calorie ratio.

I wouldn't say impossible. One never knows the limits of rice cakes and broccoli florets a man can consume. Still, I don't doubt it would be needlessly unnecessary. But I was never quite sure what
was "dirty" in a nice, creamy tub of ice cream. And I would take ice cream over broccoli every damn time.

[BigRo]

In deep sleep we are in silence albeit unconsciously. We love it, and need it to feel refreshed. In the same way but even more rejuvenating is the silence of super conscious meditation. In that state there is no teacher and no taught but there a most profound reformation of the character taking place naturally, without force, spontaneously.

[dj181]

Don't think it gets more ecto than this

what kind of music do you listen to while training brosef?

here is a tune from ma playlist 

[SuperTed]

[falco]

Welcome back.

[CalvinH]

I'm a lot like that. I know there are some (many?) who always talk about how they always have go be
doing something. I think some (most) exaggerate just like when they say they don't watch much TV or
get by on 4-5 hours of sleep a night. There seems to be some kind of badge of honor in these things.

Not me. I very comfortable doing nothing and as I get older remaining motionless for extended periods of time seems far more natural to me. I wish I could watch more TV as I think I missed out on a lot of
good programs like Sopranos, Seinfield, CSI but just don't seem to have the time. After I get home from
work I just eat and hit the sack -- reading until I doze off (anywhere from a minute to two hours).

I really wish I could do more nothing. But the obstacle I have to being able to do more nothing is that I need to eat, I need to put a roof over my head, I need to get clothes... none of these that I am able
to do with any great efficiency. I need money to get people to do these things for me and far better than
I can ever do. With money I can find different people with very specific skills to do things that there is
no way I can master all those skills in my life time.

How much do you make gardening? Just a round figure. How much time do you have to spend gardening
to be able to afford you life style? And what is your lifestyle. How do you live? I know this is probably an
uncomfortable subject as spiritual guys tend to pooh-pooh material things. That it's kind of shallow to want to get things -- things to make your life more comfortable and easier and even pleasurable. To even get meaning out of things. I still keep the first car I ever bought brand new. It took me 38 years of life to be able to finally afford a brand spanking new car and it was something I was proud of. I know. It's just a car. Metal, plastic, rubber... and it has no feelings and is oblivious to the devotion I have for it. But we are not just spiritual beings -- we are also physical beings, flesh and blood.
All those wise, holy, above it all men who can hold their breath for 10 minutes, make their heart stop,
can sit in a freezer over night and heal others with just a wave of the hand still have to take a piss and fart throughout the day not to mention take a dump and hope they have some toilet paper handy.

Zzzz...

[Kwon]

Zzzz...

Love seeing Calvin more active on the boards, gives him a higher chance to appear on lists in the future...

[Grape Ape]

Don't think it gets more ecto than this

It certainly does.

Ectomorphs don't have a chest like that, or muscle bellies lengths, etc......ecto-meso at worst.

[be back]

Don't think it gets more ecto than this

dj181 has created a new body type, hes a beta ecto

[ratherbebig]

so apparantely meditating and doing nothing is the way to live

you would like it just fine in a supermax prison.

[BigRo]

so apparantely meditating and doing nothing is the way to live

you would like it just fine in a supermax prison.

I never advocated doing nothing, only to balance being and doing.

Society as we know it today is one big supermax prison filled with frustrated inmates.

[BigRo]

Small and useless now.

This frame is plenty strong and big enough. Why carry around all that muscle when no longer competing and no longer interested in pursuing muscular development and physical strength to the diminishment of overall well being and the evolution of subtler yet no less meaningful faculties like heart, mind and spirit.

Father from being useless I am actually much more useful not being preoccupied with eating, sleeping and training I can really reach out and be connected.

[BigRo]

No bitterness or sour grapes please, the sport of bodybuilding is one of the best things, there is nothing better than being a big muscle beast walking around town with people staring at you, if you cant handle the lifestyle then that is on you but dont throw no haterade on bodybuilding.

I am not bitter about bodybuilding. Ideally looking back it would have played a less significant part of my life but fate had it otherwise. Weight-training has always been a part of my life and probably always will be. But when one aspires to be liberated spiritually and feel ones sense of self united with the universe being obsessed with appearance is a big limitation. That is not the fault of bodybuilding in itself its what people bring to it.

It is in my experience more conducive to happiness not to be known as such and such but to be forgotten about and then to forget about ones self also, so as to awaken to the truth, that there is no me in here and no you out there, that in reality I was never born and shall never die, being of the nature of immortal spirit not corporeal flesh. How can one live truly fearlessly when they are identified strongly with that which thieves can break in and steal. Store rather treasure in heaven through realizing the kingdom of god within you. Then you shall be a true warrior amongst men and be of the nature of a steel that shall never corrupt.