Revolting documentary: Rocco

[Matt]

Agree with my fellow Canadian for the first time...

I'm glad you do. I think relationships are a bad deal for men - especially wealthy / highly independent men.

Another thing is - our culture literally pits women against men. Because of that, I feel that conflict is inevitable.

One time, I told her that I would buy her cigarettes for her, and that way, I could track data on her smoking, to eventually help her quit. She came back with "Are you trying to get me to quit?"

LMAO...dumb bitch, even if I was - so what? SO FUCKING WHAT? But no - I was just trying to make things easier for her to quit when the time came, by studying the data.

Fucking cunt - go get lung cancer for all I care.

Feminists are TRAINED to think they are always victims. And then you get stuff like the Will Smith incident at the higher levels of this.

Who would want to tolerate such a complaining, entitled cunt? Not me!

[Matt]

Racist post reported.

 

[Matt]

I agree ( IMO pieces of shit like this and child molestors should be Dextered) Libertarianism is to men what feminism is to women, it is just as evil an ideology....

Libertarianism frees the Man from his duties toward Woman, Children, Local/Tribal People and Place.

Feminism shames the Woman from her duties toward Man, and Children.

Multiculturalism replaces/devalues the Children by importing outside children.

“Girls, family is evil, focus on yourself!”
“Men, tribe is evil, focus on yourself!”
Praising “Individual Rights” while selling their BirthRight (tribal institutions which enforce rights) for a bowl of cheaper consumer goods.

The free-market (peace be upon it  ) of labor demands that women compete in the race to the bottom for wages.

Feminism ensures that they do it out of spite to men.

Libertarianism means men choose not to take responsibility for setting boundaries, especially for women in their lives.

Libertarianism is a predominantly male ideology.

Finally Libertarianism is a "gatekeeping" ideology used to control you and ensures that men never pick up the gun of the state because that would be "immoral" 

The problem is your enemies have no morals ->

Great post - that's exactly right.

I've come to realize how naive libertarianism is. Still much better than communism, but ultimately an ideology that ignores very important issues of race and nation.

[ESFitness]

Rapists, molesters, (especially of children) please face wall.

obviously, but he's talking about people, grown consenting adults doing what each other wants, to be murdered because he doesn't like it because he lacks the emotional capacity to maintain a relationship long enough with someone who will do the same for him.

[AbrahamG]

I'm glad you do. I think relationships are a bad deal for men - especially wealthy / highly independent men.

Another thing is - our culture literally pits women against men. Because of that, I feel that conflict is inevitable.

One time, I told her that I would buy her cigarettes for her, and that way, I could track data on her smoking, to eventually help her quit. She came back with "Are you trying to get me to quit?"

LMAO...dumb bitch, even if I was - so what? SO FUCKING WHAT? But no - I was just trying to make things easier for her to quit when the time came, by studying the data.

Fucking girl - go get lung cancer for all I care.

Feminists are TRAINED to think they are always victims. And then you get stuff like the Will Smith incident at the higher levels of this.

Who would want to tolerate such a complaining, entitled girl? Not me!

Please Matt, for the love of God tell me that you did not kiss her on the filthy mouth and that you only fucked her doggy style or in the ass.  Please! 

[Matt]

Please Matt, for the love of God tell me that you did not kiss her on the filthy mouth and that you only fucked her doggy style or in the ass.  Please!

I'm glad to say that I did not kiss her!

I will not be dating any smoker seriously ever again. Although I probably won't be dating anyone seriously ever again.

I will be no longer allowing smokers to smoke in my back porch - they will have to go on my back deck completely next time - even in the -40°F freezing.

[hardgainerj]

Thread bump

https://www.xvideos.com/video26204709/23_year-old_rocco_1987-_grand_prix_with_sharon_mitchell

[Taffin]

Please Matt, for the love of God tell me that you did not kiss her on the filthy mouth and that you only fucked her doggy style or in the ass.  Please!

Had a superfluous word in that sentence there, bud

[epic is back]

Did you finally watch this piece of filth?

That guy Rocco creeps me the fucK out. Did you see that predatory look on his face? One time out of morbid curiosity I looked at his IG page. He’s a highly disturbed man. In one video post he was talking about his penchant for having his anus played with. Words can’t describe how much I hate men like him, which are likely most of what we have in Hollywood and politics.

Everyone with half a brain what group of people have promoted the scourge of porn upon us!

well your the asshole who was impressed  enough with his  story to bring it here to share

who even admits to watching things like that? or then "out of curiosity" go to his instagram page and watched more!!

you are no better than him,  if you had a pipelayer cock and good looks you might get laid one day too

just leave your house, go to a bar, buy everyone drinks, repeat, one day youll get lucky

[joswift]

well your the asshole who was impressed  enough with his  story to bring it here to share

who even admits to watching things like that? or then "out of curiosity" go to his instagram page and watched more!!

you are no better than him,  if you had a pipelayer cock and good looks you might get laid one day too

just leave your house, go to a bar, buy everyone drinks, repeat, one day youll get lucky

worked for you?

[BossBoss]

[Matt]

BossBoss - I picked up lentils last week.

I should have known better than to trust a female vegan friend on a "vegan protein source".

We only NEED about as much protein as is in a bowl of oatmeal, per day, for survival.

So yeah, lentils will give me that. But damn - talk about a shitty source of protein and overall calories! Certainly nothing spectacular!

As for being a vegan:

We as human beings kill animals by EXISTING AT ALL. Veganism is your typical leftist movement that focuses on what is SEEN.

They SEE the animals on their plates. They don't SEE the animals that die to give them a home.

I have reduced my carbon footprint as much as I can handle without harming my mental wellness. Now - I'm willing to make subtle changes, like now buying Vietnamese made electronics, to stop supporting the Chinese regime.

But there needs to be underlying logic. Moving from eating animals, to eating vegetables that cause animals to die also, due to existing...is possibly a partial solution if it fits my palate.

Unfortunately, it did not.

Here's a question:

Is there logic to moving from chicken to beef as a primary meat source? Keeping in mind that cost, for the time being, isn't an issue [unless beef doubles or triples in cost while chicken does not, or something].

[wes]

BossBoss - I picked up lentils last week.

I should have known better than to trust a female vegan friend on a "vegan protein source".

We only NEED about as much protein as is in a bowl of oatmeal, per day, for survival.

So yeah, lentils will give me that. But damn - talk about a shitty source of protein and overall calories! Certainly nothing spectacular!

As for being a vegan:

We as human beings kill animals by EXISTING AT ALL. Veganism is your typical leftist movement that focuses on what is SEEN.

They SEE the animals on their plates. They don't SEE the animals that die to give them a home.

I have reduced my carbon footprint as much as I can handle without harming my mental wellness. Now - I'm willing to make subtle changes, like now buying Vietnamese made electronics, to stop supporting the Chinese regime.

But there needs to be underlying logic. Moving from eating animals, to eating vegetables that cause animals to die also, due to existing...is possibly a partial solution if it fits my palate.

Unfortunately, it did not.

Here's a question:

Is there logic to moving from chicken to beef as a primary meat source? Keeping in mind that cost, for the time being, isn't an issue [unless beef doubles or triples in cost while chicken does not, or something].

Lentils = incomplete protein source unless combined with a complete protein source.

If you like them jut eat them with some chicken or something.

[BossBoss]

"But there needs to be underlying logic. Moving from eating animals, to eating vegetables that cause animals to die also, due to existing...is possibly a partial solution if it fits my palate.

Unfortunately, it did not.

Here's a question:

Is there logic to moving from chicken to beef as a primary meat source? Keeping in mind that cost, for the time being, isn't an issue [unless beef doubles or triples in cost while chicken does not, or something]."

It seems logical to move to beef as a primary meat source because you kill less animals. (after thinking about it, it is not) Little animals should be worth the same. 

You could argue that you eat only gras fed beef and kill zero little animals so you would kill fewer animals than a vegan.. .
That is at first sight a good argument, but i think it is wrong. Why? It would be right if you only count flying insects. But most little animals don't fly they live on the plant, Cattle eats much more than they produce in meat so they eat much more little animals as would get killed through harvesting. (they are between 1 and 10 mm and there are plenty of them) Ok i did not count animals who get killed on the ground..(But Cattle also kills animals on the ground)

One Cattle eats 50kg gras per day..and there are plenty of animals on it..so this means you kill less animals if you eat chicken instead of beef.

[Phantom Spunker]

BossBoss - I picked up lentils last week.

I should have known better than to trust a female vegan friend on a "vegan protein source".

We only NEED about as much protein as is in a bowl of oatmeal, per day, for survival.

So yeah, lentils will give me that. But damn - talk about a shitty source of protein and overall calories! Certainly nothing spectacular!

As for being a vegan:

We as human beings kill animals by EXISTING AT ALL. Veganism is your typical leftist movement that focuses on what is SEEN.

They SEE the animals on their plates. They don't SEE the animals that die to give them a home.

I have reduced my carbon footprint as much as I can handle without harming my mental wellness. Now - I'm willing to make subtle changes, like now buying Vietnamese made electronics, to stop supporting the Chinese regime.

But there needs to be underlying logic. Moving from eating animals, to eating vegetables that cause animals to die also, due to existing...is possibly a partial solution if it fits my palate.

Unfortunately, it did not.

Here's a question:

Is there logic to moving from chicken to beef as a primary meat source? Keeping in mind that cost, for the time being, isn't an issue [unless beef doubles or triples in cost while chicken does not, or something].

Matt, I see you making these sorts of faulty generalizations quite frequently, and it's really quite frustrating because I don't have the energy to get into long-winded debates now, but I feel that your lack of clear thinking should be pointed out to you. Allow me to briefly demonstrate what I mean before my zolpidem kicks in. We will begin by defining what vegans are:

Vegans do not eat any food derived from animals. They follow a plant-based diet. Simple enough. Now, you've obviously read arguments from one, small sample of this group and erroneously concluded that every individual who claims to be vegan must have arrived at this decision based on the logic you've stated above and can therefore be ignorantly dismissed as 'typical leftists', whatever that means.

If ALL vegans claim to follow this diet based on the principle that killing ALL animals under ANY circumstance, using ANY method is wrong, then you might have a point in stating that the modern farming techniques which provide them with the vegetables they eat are also killing lots of animals and is therefore clearly problematic. However, very few people follow this diet based on that reasoning.

Again, some vegans might justify their diet based on environmental concerns, and there's good counter-arguments for this stance, too.

If, as many vegans would argue, they wish to follow this diet based on ethical concerns regarding the MANNER in which intelligent mammals are being killed under factory-farming conditions, then how are you doing to respond to this line of reasoning? You might read Peter Carruthers and others who dismiss these arguments, but you clearly haven't.

Many would argue that killing animals under certain circumstances is morally permissible, e.g. euthanasia, hunting, or using sustainable methods of farming. However, they may observe the brutal reality of factory farming and the treatment of those animals - which amounts to torture under these conditions - and conclude that they do not want to be involved in that at all. Much like those who would refuse to buy clothes produced by child labour. A logical extension of opposing the meat industry in modern, industrialized countries would be to also then remove oneself from the dairy industry, too. This would be correct stance to take based on those reasons and you would then find yourself accepting veganism.

I'm not a vegan, I should add, but I'm quite tired of your arrogance in regards to nuanced philosophical issues which you've not bothered to research at all, but rather assumed that you've managed reach a position of authority on the subject through virtue of an imagined intellectual superiority alone.

[epic is back]

worked for you?

it will work for anyone

[kreator]

''veganism''


HAHAHAHAHA

yet these vegoons seem to further ignore thousands of ex vegoons who stopped eating vegan to regain their health. And when a vegan influencer starts eating animal products again, the vegtard community trolls the sh1t out of them. It's a sad cult, nothing more. Even the ex vegans admit to this.

The irony is though, the elites want you to switch to plant based foods cause they know how health deteriorating they are long term. Plus they want feminine men who can be easily controlled.   

[Matt]

Lentils = incomplete protein source unless combined with a complete protein source.

If you like them jut eat them with some chicken or something.

Thanks wes. That's exactly what I did [ate the lentils with chicken], but I was shocked at the caloric breakdown, regarding protein concentration:

Per 1/3 cup [35g]:
Fat: 0.5g.
Carbohydrates 22g.
Protein: 9g

^ Somehow I expected the carbohydrate and protein value to be roughly reversed.

This isn't enough for me to consider using it as a meat replacement.

I have been adding it TO my meat meals though, so...time will tell what sort of diet I end up on. But so far, I haven't found a diet suitable for my palate that doesn't include meat.

That being said, as long as vegans continue to murder animals that fly over vegetable crops, I don't much care.

I'm not going to be guilted into lifestyle changes by animal murderers.

[Matt]

It seems logical to move to beef as a primary meat source because you kill less animals. (after thinking about it, it is not) Little animals should be worth the same. 

You could argue that you eat only gras fed beef and kill zero little animals so you would kill fewer animals than a vegan.. .
That is at first sight a good argument, but i think it is wrong. Why? It would be right if you only count flying insects. But most little animals don't fly they live on the plant, Cattle eats much more than they produce in meat so they eat much more little animals as would get killed through harvesting. (they are between 1 and 10 mm and there are plenty of them) Ok i did not count animals who get killed on the ground..(But Cattle also kills animals on the ground)

One Cattle eats 50kg gras per day..and there are plenty of animals on it..so this means you kill less animals if you eat chicken instead of beef.

My logic is that chickens are just dumb dinosaurs. In terms of sentience, I am more concerned about cows than chickens. But if I eat 100 chickens in a year versus one or two cows...well...now that changes the ethical argument.

Maybe I should just eat the one or two cows.

But my concern is that while I know local farmers who treat their cows very well just up until the day they die - it's my assumption that the chicken farming industry is worse to cows than the beef farming industry is to cows.

My concern is NOT animals dying - you and other vegans murder animals every day by simply existing. If you gave all your net worth to charity and proved to me you were living on the streets [NOT in a house or even a homeless shelter that resulted in habit loss that displaced and killed animals] for SIX FULL MONTHS, I would respect that your carbon footprint is sufficiently lower than mine, that I would respect you wishing for me to become vegan.

But I STILL wouldn't do it.

I'm just saying, I would RESPECT that at least, you are doing everything you can, short of dying, to stop killing animals.

Tell me - what business does a Western vegan have in saying a person living in Bangladesh who eats meat should stop doing so?

Westerners have AT LEAST 35 TIMES the carbon output per-capita as the average Bangladeshi.

The American average is 15.52 tons of carbon per year.
The Canadian average is even HIGHER since stupid fuck leftists [not unlike moron vegans] have prevented Canada from fracking.
The Bangladeshi average is 0.47.

So tell me BossBoss:

WHAT FUCKING BUSINESS DOES A WESTERN LEFTIST VEGAN ANIMAL MURDERER HAVE IN TELLING ANYONE TO STOP KILLING ANIMALS?

You realize whatever animals you eat less than me would be ALL made up for - and more - if you simply drive a car?

I stopped driving in lockdown, and haven't driven regularly for TWO YEARS.

NOTHING you do as a petrol guzzling car driver would make up for the animal murdering disparity between us due to me not driving.

NOT that I give a shit.

I don't.

And I just started driving again.

WHAT I AM SAYING IS - human supremacy is THE issue.

It doesn't matter if you don't "eat" animals.

As a Western vegan, you murder masses of animals simply by living in the West.

And THAT is the fundamental moral futility of veganism that will prevent me from ever taking it seriously again.

However, from one animal murderer to the next, I still respect your opinion, despite the masses of animals who die for you to live.

One last thing:

The elite want us in pods eating bugs. Has NOTHING to do with saving animals. Just like how you only need to wear a mask and be vaccinated to board public planes, and not their private jets. Has NOTHING to do with ethics, everything to do with control.

They will use vegans until they get that control, and then cast you aside, as they did with all their pawns in the USSR until they got power, then purged them when they were no longer needed.

New times, same plan.

[Matt]

Matt, I see you making these sorts of faulty generalizations quite frequently, and it's really quite frustrating because I don't have the energy to get into long-winded debates now, but I feel that your lack of clear thinking should be pointed out to you. Allow me to briefly demonstrate what I mean before my zolpidem kicks in. We will begin by defining what vegans are:

Vegans do not eat any food derived from animals. They follow a plant-based diet. Simple enough. Now, you've obviously read arguments from one, small sample of this group and erroneously concluded that every individual who claims to be vegan must have arrived at this decision based on the logic you've stated above and can therefore be ignorantly dismissed as 'typical leftists', whatever that means.

If ALL vegans claim to follow this diet based on the principle that killing ALL animals under ANY circumstance, using ANY method is wrong, then you might have a point in stating that the modern farming techniques which provide them with the vegetables they eat are also killing lots of animals and is therefore clearly problematic. However, very few people follow this diet based on that reasoning.

Again, some vegans might justify their diet based on environmental concerns, and there's good counter-arguments for this stance, too.

If, as many vegans would argue, they wish to follow this diet based on ethical concerns regarding the MANNER in which intelligent mammals are being killed under factory-farming conditions, then how are you doing to respond to this line of reasoning? You might read Peter Carruthers and others who dismiss these arguments, but you clearly haven't.

Many would argue that killing animals under certain circumstances is morally permissible, e.g. euthanasia, hunting, or using sustainable methods of farming. However, they may observe the brutal reality of factory farming and the treatment of those animals - which amounts to torture under these conditions - and conclude that they do not want to be involved in that at all. Much like those who would refuse to buy clothes produced by child labour. A logical extension of opposing the meat industry in modern, industrialized countries would be to also then remove oneself from the dairy industry, too. This would be correct stance to take based on those reasons and you would then find yourself accepting veganism.

I'm not a vegan, I should add, but I'm quite tired of your arrogance in regards to nuanced philosophical issues which you've not bothered to research at all, but rather assumed that you've managed reach a position of authority on the subject through virtue of an imagined intellectual superiority alone.

I read all of that.

Yes, you are correct that I'm focusing on the dumb shit vegans who think being a vegan saves animals, not grasping that simply BEING A WESTERNER results in mass animal deaths.

And THAT is why I don't GIVE A FUCK, AND WILL NEVER GIVE A FUCK EVER AGAIN what any leftist-type vegan OR ANY FUCKING VEGAN has to say on reducing animal deaths as a MORAL ISSUE AND RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU RESULT IN ANIMALS DYING, I RESULT IN ANIMALS DYING, AND BOSSBOSS RESULTS IN ANIMALS.

And in MASSIVE. FUCKING. NUMBER.

As I said, stupid shit Canadian Liberals who prevent fracking here is THE reason the average Canadian has a TWENTY PERCENT higher carbon output per-capita than Americans.

But like EVERY FUCKING THING LEFTISTS HAVE EVER TOLD ME MY ENTIRE LIFE, they are just wrong.

Literally to the point that, BY DEFAULT, I just assume EVERYTHING leftists say is wrong.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY WESTERNER WHOSE CARBON OUTPUT IS IN THE TOP 10% OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS ABOUT REDUCING MY FUCKING CARBON IMPACT? ESPECIALLY WHEN MOST ARE FAT AS FUCK OR OTHERWISE POLLUTING MORE THAN I DO WITH MY HERMIT/MINIMALIST LIFE??

And THAT'S the bottom line, Phantom Spunker.

And I was a leftist until age 23/24.

I will NEVER take hypocrite leftist Liberals/Democrats seriously again.

ESPECIALLY now with their "men can give birth" shit, ruining women's sports, TRANSITIONING CHILDREN, and being obvious complete fucking control freaks in Canada.

NEVER!

These people are in my life's rearview mirror, Phantom.

LIED TO ME MY ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE. The same dumb assholes who told me White cops murder Black men on the streets willy nilly, and there is a 28% gender wage gap, WHEN IN REALITY, 93% of Black murders are INTRA-racial Black-on-Black, and if anything - affirmative action and other programs MASSIVELY DISPROPORTIONATELY BENEFIT WOMEN.

And on and on. LIES, LIES, FUCKING LIES.

That's all I have EVER gotten from the left.

But the very LAST situation was when I was seeing a feminist in 2018. And that's the end of it.

If you want me to adopt ANY leftist principles, no problem, Phantom. But you better make me.

Using force.

And I'm sure Democrats will do exactly that.

I mean, heck, EVEN DEMOCRATS don't follow any of the shit they say.

So of COURSE they will end up using force.

So to summarize: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT I only care about one kind of vegan. But my underlying point is:

We as Western humans are ALL KILLING ANIMALS. ALL of us.

And that's why I don't care what any Westerner says on any moral issue involving reducing my impact on the planet. Listening to fat people about my carbon emissions? Excuse me?

[Matt]

''veganism''


HAHAHAHAHA

yet these vegoons seem to further ignore thousands of ex vegoons who stopped eating vegan to regain their health. And when a vegan influencer starts eating animal products again, the vegtard community trolls the sh1t out of them. It's a sad cult, nothing more. Even the ex vegans admit to this.

The irony is though, the elites want you to switch to plant based foods cause they know how health deteriorating they are long term. Plus they want feminine men who can be easily controlled.

Exactly correct.

Do you think the global elite, who just took private jets to Switzerland to attend their World Economic Forum summit with a private army give TWO FUCKING SHITS about reducing their "carbon output", or "animal ethics".

They couldn't give TWO FUCKING SHITS.

But that's what elites do - and they use their Useful Idiot leftist mob/army [Useless Idiots] to do it.

And THAT'S THE POINT. THEY FUCKING KNOW that ON AVERAGE, the same will happen to everyone else that happened to me - I reduced my meat, found no plant-based foods to replace my peotein, and went from a bench press of roughly 325 for 2-4 reps, to roughly 275 for as many.

And that's NORMAL. And that's the DESIRED result.

I'm sure vegans who don't work out get proportionally as weak. Again, that's the point: weaker people are easier to control, and there is nothing else to it.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD I LISTEN TO ELITES WHO FLY AROUND ON PRIVATE JETS ABOUT "REDUCING MY EMISSIONS"??

That's why I can't take Democrats or Canadian Liberals seriously. I JUST FUCKING CAN'T.

Why the FUCK would I take seriously what a bunch of animal murdering top 10% global polluting fat fucks who think MEN CAN GIVE BIRTH have to say? WHY??

Giving me MORAL GUILT TRIPS that I actually felt sad about, and ACTED ON, TO MY DETRIMENT, when they don't do ANY of the shit they say. Stupid fucks who scream racist to everyone, who wouldn't befriend a Black or Indigenous person to save their lives. Fucking assholes. As long as I never talk to another one for the rest of my life, I'll be fine.

Why would I take these people seriously??:

Look at this - what an absolute joke:

https://www.mylondon.news/news/health/monkeypox-london-nhs-issues-warning-24043878

[Matt]

''veganism''


HAHAHAHAHA

yet these vegoons seem to further ignore thousands of ex vegoons who stopped eating vegan to regain their health. And when a vegan influencer starts eating animal products again, the vegtard community trolls the sh1t out of them. It's a sad cult, nothing more. Even the ex vegans admit to this.

The irony is though, the elites want you to switch to plant based foods cause they know how health deteriorating they are long term. Plus they want feminine men who can be easily controlled.

One last point:

The vegan diet can be very healthy. We as human beings only need 800 calories a day, if we select all the appropriate foods to get all of our nutrients. But that's only thanks to meat.

I'm able to do this, and eat a nutritious diet, even on days when I go under 1,000 calories. I'm typically not much higher.

But ON AVERAGE, most people eating so few calories are eating garbage.

ON AVERAGE, if you forced everyone to go vegan, they'd just end up eating chips and pop all day.

That's the point - IN PRACTICE, this will just lead to horrible health outcomes. Not to mention, the fake meat is just pea protein and other garbage. Nothing nutritious at all.

The point is to get us to gradually move to diets that will IN ACTUAL PRACTICE, just make us weaker and worse off. Of course in some controlled lab study, a vegan diet will reduce inflammation, or whatever shit they claim, but if you make people go vegan [through guilt, as I fell for the first time], it won't work out.

Maybe some people are able to do it better, for different reasons. Although as I said, I don't take moral advice from animal murderers, like Western vegans.

The vegan diet CAN be healthy. But I am EXTREMELY used to my current diet, and unless I am paid $5,000 a month after taxes until I'm comfortably on a suitable vegan diet, I will NOT do that voluntarily.

You'd have to make me.

But hey - they're trying!

[FitnessFrenzy]

how did a thread about Rocco turn into a thread about veganism?

[Matt]

It seems logical to move to beef as a primary meat source because you kill less animals. (after thinking about it, it is not) Little animals should be worth the same.

You could argue that you eat only gras fed beef and kill zero little animals so you would kill fewer animals than a vegan.. .
That is at first sight a good argument, but i think it is wrong. Why? It would be right if you only count flying insects. But most little animals don't fly they live on the plant, Cattle eats much more than they produce in meat so they eat much more little animals as would get killed through harvesting. (they are between 1 and 10 mm and there are plenty of them) Ok i did not count animals who get killed on the ground..(But Cattle also kills animals on the ground)

One Cattle eats 50kg gras per day..and there are plenty of animals on it..so this means you kill less animals if you eat chicken instead of beef.

Lol. 

And to think I was [pathetically] intellectually influenced by vegans enough to go on a hugely reduced meat diet for roughly two years.

Literally thousand of "little animals" die in order for you to exist at all, BossBoss.

Is there a particular reason why you live in a heated house? Don't you think fewer "little animals" would die if you got a sufficient sleeping bag, and spent your days outside, and reduced your calories to JUST ENOUGH to sustain your existence.

Out of curiosity, what gives you the right to live in the USA, where your carbon output is OVER ONE TON PER MONTH?

I thought you were concerned about "little animals" dying?

Guess not.

If all Western leftists killed themselves tomorrow, that would reduce the global carbon output by, what, 50%?

I am not saying I WANT them to do this - I'm saying that anything short of that will result in millions of "little animals" dying, and THEY are the ones who are against that, SO WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY GETTING INVOLVED WITH MY LIFE?

If leftists were fundamentally living differently than me - FINE. But they are just massive hypocrites. Like the environmental bigots in Quebec and BC who protest to prevent Alberta oil and gas from being drilled when THEY'RE ENTIRE LIFESTYLE DEPENDS ON FUCKING OIL AND GAS.

...

Anyway, I am a complete minimalist, BossBoss. I'd bet money that, on net, more animals die for you to live your life than for me to live mine.

And that's why what you say, from the point of a moral guilt trip, has no impact on me.

Animals die for you to live, BossBoss.

Call me when that changes, and I'll care about this argument from the point of view of some pressing moral issue.

As long as leftists don't force their moronic views of us, I don't care.

Unfortunately, increasingly since 2020, they have been.

Before - it was just background chatter. But leftists will find some of are willing to die in a civil war to prevent their shitty, cancerous ideas for metastasizing.

[Matt]

how did a thread about Rocco turn into a thread about veganism?

Because I saw BossBoss, and wanted to update my situation with respect to incorporating plants into my diet.

I once called myself a "previous part-time vegan", and BossBoss for whatever reason, felt the need to attack that.

I should have said I tried a reduced meat diet. Bad choice of words on my part, but vegans have no business doing anything but using kindness to try to influence ANYONE to stop eating meat.

Veganism just isn't going anywhere fast. The elites will have to use force to make it adopted, or buy up all the good farmland, monopolize it, and then destroy the meat market while introducing Bill Gates' garbage fake meat.

I'm sure they will.

But for BossBoss to insult someone who legitimately tried giving the shitty, useless vegan diet a try. It wasn't cool.

But his next post made up for that - he was more specific with his approach.

The reason why I asked him about switching from chicken to beef is because of that history, and because I saw him post in here.

Basically, here's where I'm at with veganism:

I do understand that human beings impact the planet. I AM concerned about human supremacy. It's just that UNLIKE STUPID FUCK LEFTISTS, I don't think radically changing the status quo in the most successful countries IN HUMAN HISTORY is the right approach.

If we gradually adopt leftist principles VOLUNTARILY - FINE. We can do that.

My issue, SPECIFICALLY with animals is this:

I don't care that animals DIE for me to live. ANIMALS DIE FOR US ALL TO LIVE, AND WE IN NORTH AMERICA SPECIFICALLY ARE THE PIGS OF THE PLANET - WITH 25% OF THE WORLD'S CARBON OUTPUT COMING FROM US.

So who the FUCK are ANY Western lefties to bitch about this? FLIPPING HYPOCRITES.

I DON'T care that animals DIE specifically because I EAT them, because animals die for ALL OF US - however, it bothers me that chickens are couped up and treated like shit. Perhaps eating 1-2 cows a year would be better than eating 100 chickens + their eggs.

What I DO care about is doing what I can to make marginal VOLUNTARY changes to my lifestyle that may improve this.

But NOTHING based on force, and NOTHING based on guilt trips. And that's ALL leftists do - ever!

So I was simply asking BossBoss if I could accomplish that somewhat from going to chicken to beef.

But chickens are dumb as fucking shit. I just don't like that they are couped up for KFC and other big buyers.

If I can make small adjustments to my life that help the world slightly, no problem.

I don't give much of a shit though, as leftists are complete hypocrites. But if it's no cost to me, and helps slightly, why not?

Emphasis: NO COST TO ME.

Like Dave D, who gave me the idea to buy Made in Vietnam, to stop supporting the CCP regime. 

If BossBoss can tell me a way to reduce my impact, I can do that. He probably drives way more than me, killing animals due to the fossil fuels extracted for him to do that. Which is why he and other vegans can't guilt trip me.

But if they give me the names of companies that have better practices in treating animals or something - I'd look into it.

I get grass fed beef from a local farmer who treats her animals well.

I don't rinse it.