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trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« on: March 24, 2018, 06:39:52 AM »
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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 06:42:28 AM »
he's playing 4d chess, relax

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 08:04:43 AM »
Because China is stealing intellectual property rights then producing the technology themselves and then using those products to compete with the US without any restrictions. While US and Western companies are losing out.

They're also the biggest long term threat to the US.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2018, 08:10:20 AM »
Because China is stealing intellectual property rights then producing the technology themselves and then using those products to compete with the US without any restrictions. While US and Western companies are losing out.

They're also the biggest long term threat to the US.


Yeah. But the 500 million to Planned Parenthood? I’m all for giving money to them cause we need to keep stds and pregnancy down but damn, 500 million? No fully funded border wall and it didn’t touch the DACA issue.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 08:16:41 AM »
Because China is stealing intellectual property rights then producing the technology themselves and then using those products to compete with the US without any restrictions. While US and Western companies are losing out.

They're also the biggest long term threat to the US.

All car manufacturers who sell in China are mandated to partner with a Chinese company. Mandated, if they want to sell cars in China. And they don't own the factory.

Here is an article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/trump-is-now-just-reading-elon-musks-tweets-1823626946/amp

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 08:29:10 AM »
he's playing 4d chess, relax

Without making me use google, what does this mean? You've used it in a few posts now.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2018, 08:38:14 AM »
All car manufacturers who sell in China are mandated to partner with a Chinese company. Mandated, if they want to sell cars in China. And they don't own the factory.

Here is an article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/trump-is-now-just-reading-elon-musks-tweets-1823626946/amp

Yup, partnerships are mandated...and by partnerships the Chinese really mean a one sided relationship where they steal the foreign partners tech and IPs and in the near future they will use that to sell (dump) Chinese cars in the foreign markets.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2018, 08:54:21 AM »
Ever call up a US company to get a technical question answered about their product?  Sooner or later they admit "We don't know 'cause we don't make 'em.  We just sell 'em."  But I won't wax on about the Race To The Bottom and the idiocy of the American consumer and their river of plastic crap.

A vertically integrated economy is essential for a nation's health.  Once you have that you can choose to trade and do so without a gun to your head.  Imo the US is right on the brink in terms of losing foundational manufacturing once and for all.  Optimistic talk about how we're a tech society now and all we have to do is be techy is a bunch of horseshit.  Programming Iphone apps is dandy but it's a cherry on top.  If you don't have the sundae then what good is it?  Retain your ability to make the entire item.  Once that's gone, and you really need someone else to make things, they're going to steal you blind and fuck you senseless with a billion little Chinese peckers.

I'm with The Donald on this one.  He's a tard but you don't need an agriculturalist to know which way the potato rolls.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2018, 09:21:58 AM »
All car manufacturers who sell in China are mandated to partner with a Chinese company. Mandated, if they want to sell cars in China. And they don't own the factory.

Here is an article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopnik.com/trump-is-now-just-reading-elon-musks-tweets-1823626946/amp

Just read the article.

I don't understand how China thinks they somehow deserve special treatment and deals which are mostly one-sided in their favour.

US companies cannot even own properties in China, but the Chinese can in USA? They also need 50 % Chinese partners in the China, while the Chinese in the US don't. And then there's the massive difference in tariffs, all favouring China and that's excluding often not paying for any intellectual property rights.


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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2018, 09:42:15 AM »
Just read the article.

I don't understand how China thinks they somehow deserve special treatment and deals which are mostly one-sided in their favour.

US companies cannot even own properties in China, but the Chinese can in USA? They also need 50 % Chinese partners in the China, while the Chinese in the US don't. And then there's the massive difference in tariffs, all favouring China and that's excluding often not paying for any intellectual property rights.


I think that the key is that there is a massive middle class to sell cars, trucks, electronics to. And Western companies want in on that. So, western greed pushes them to make these one sided deals. The Chinese government, which backs all these deals, knows that the Western companies want in on a piece of the pie, so they use Western greed against them, but also trying to promote their own home grown companies, which the Chinese buying public views as inferior.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2018, 09:50:57 AM »
I have often repeated that there is a man named Zhangzhou Charlie who throws anything from old couches to kittens to his own rice urine into the vat at the start of the production line, and what comes out the other side is the advertised product in appearance only, its composition being anything but.  I have no evidence of this beyond my personal experience with Chinese facsimiles of goods.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2018, 12:07:16 PM »
Dumbest thing he's done. Rand Paul made it through a bit of it and showed how incredibly stupid it was to pass it.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/23/rand-paul-pizza-omnibus-vote-tweets/

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2018, 12:49:39 PM »
it was getting late and nothing can hold up his next round of golf....... who the hell has time to read all that boring crap...... he gets paid to lead not to read...
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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2018, 01:03:30 PM »
he had no reason even said "I'm never signing a bill like this again"  ??? then why'd your dumbass just sign this one if you didn't want to, he is part time President, doesn't care about America, Hillary would have broken the glass ceiling and be all in, no vacation's best first woman President ever!

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2018, 01:15:19 PM »
he had no reason even said "I'm never signing a bill like this again"  ??? then why'd your dumbass just sign this one if you didn't want to, he is part time President, doesn't care about America, Hillary would have broken the glass ceiling and be all in, no vacation's best first woman President ever!
                    :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ what a role model for our children...
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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2018, 01:27:05 PM »
                    :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ what a role model for our children...

Lol, sick, but(t) fucking hot.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2018, 01:30:15 PM »
Fuck China.  In all hoensty. China can fuck the USA harder. They can ban all exports to the USA for 6 months. Within 2 months Americans will be canabalizing each other and rioting like apes. When they realize 99% of the shit they buy is chinese and the shelves are bare and the items that remain are 50 times their value this country would implode.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2018, 01:33:09 PM »
                    :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ what a role model for our children...

LOL don't forget the other playmate that gave AC360 a great interview seems Trump had a long affair with her.  Karen McDougal still hot to this day.  Feel sorry for Melania, this only fuels the feminism movement.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2018, 01:43:00 PM »
Fuck China.  In all hoensty. China can fuck the USA harder. They can ban all exports to the USA for 6 months. Within 2 months Americans will be canabalizing each other and rioting like apes. When they realize 99% of the shit they buy is chinese and the shelves are bare and the items that remain are 50 times their value this country would implode.
The corporations are the ones who went to China with the jobs, and now China is now farming out a lot production to African nations.
China is dependant on consuming western goods, and America is dependant on cheap labor that creates the goods on the cheap. So, China and US are tied at the hip.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2018, 01:53:38 PM »
it was getting late and nothing can hold up his next round of golf....... who the hell has time to read all that boring crap...... he gets paid to lead not to read...

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
he had no reason even said "I'm never signing a bill like this again"  ??? then why'd your dumbass just sign this one if you didn't want to, he is part time President, doesn't care about America, Hillary would have broken the glass ceiling and be all in, no vacation's best first woman President ever!

and this.... He had no idea whether he should sign or not, he just pretended to sign it reluctantly to fool his followers who don't like what's in the bill. And it gives him plausible deniability

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2018, 02:00:16 PM »
Fuck China.  In all hoensty. China can fuck the USA harder. They can ban all exports to the USA for 6 months. Within 2 months Americans will be canabalizing each other and rioting like apes. When they realize 99% of the shit they buy is chinese and the shelves are bare and the items that remain are 50 times their value this country would implode.

Might take awhile but US businesses would just start investing in other countries to produce their goods.

China is not indispensable, plenty of other countries with cheaper labour and skilled workers.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2018, 03:17:33 PM »
PPH should be defunded completely. Sanger isn't dead enough.

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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2018, 03:32:45 PM »
PPH should be defunded completely. Sanger isn't dead enough.

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Re: trumps reasoning behined signing the bill
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 04:17:31 PM »
It's really simple. He has a very slim majority in congress. The Republicans don't always agree concerning anything. The Democrats in congress block vote against anything the Republicans are for. In effect the minority Democrats control congress. Trump had to pass this massive bill because it included a ton of spending on the military. If he didn't sign it the Democrats would shut down government until they got what they wanted. He had no choice. Blame the Democrats for this massive bill.  One thing for sure. He won't sign another. He got the spending on the military and nuclear weapons. It's over. The mid terms will either sweep in more Republicans making the Democrat obstruction mute or swept in more Democrats. Trump has done more in one year than any other President in 40 plus years.