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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2018, 02:34:42 PM »
Seems like infringement , It's not an exception it's bullshit designed to deprive people of their civil rights.

Theoretically using THEIR same logic... couldn't the city come up with some "law" saying

"People in this city can only speak when spoken to by a city official and must get rid of any money they own, and cannot use a cellphone, car or own a tv ...etc..etc"

"People in this city are not allowed to use any writing utensils ever"

"People in this city are never allowed to criticize public officials for any reason and we will fine you $1000 for every word we deem offensive"




How the FARK can you get away with circumventing federal law?

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #226 on: April 07, 2018, 02:38:24 PM »
Citys pass ordinances all the time that are tougher than federal law. No texting while driving, no cell phone use while driving. I think this particular law will get challenged and thrown out due to the 2nd amendment. 

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« Reply #227 on: April 07, 2018, 02:43:29 PM »
Seems like infringement , It's not an exception it's bullshit designed to deprive people of their civil rights.

The amount of stuff you can’t own in terms of weapons is largely disproportionate to what you can own. The government has infringed on the 2nd amendment for a long time and it will only get worse. Once the old schoolers die out, watch what will happen to the 2nd amendment. It’s bound to happen,
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #228 on: April 07, 2018, 02:48:13 PM »
Seems like infringement , It's not an exception it's bullshit designed to deprive people of their civil rights.

That's exactly what it's designed to do.  Incrementally tear down the right to keep and bear arms until it ether no longer exists, or they have destroyed your ability to use it effectively.

Gunfights happen in seconds.  You don't have time to take your firearm out of a safe and run around to assemble it.  You are dead.

The people behind these tactics know that.  They are trying to make it impossible to exercise your right and once the right has been neutered they will take it away completely.

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« Reply #229 on: April 07, 2018, 03:15:44 PM »
That's exactly what it's designed to do.  Incrementally tear down the right to keep and bear arms until it ether no longer exists, or they have destroyed your ability to use it effectively.

Gunfights happen in seconds.  You don't have time to take your firearm out of a safe and run around to assemble it.  You are dead.

The people behind these tactics know that.  They are trying to make it impossible to exercise your right and once the right has been neutered they will take it away completely.



they don't have to do anything other than wait for the millenials and x/y/z to take over power

party's over anyhow

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« Reply #230 on: April 07, 2018, 03:58:00 PM »

they don't have to do anything other than wait for the millenials and x/y/z to take over power

party's over anyhow

I think that it always becomes cool to go against the establishment.  Far left liberalism is the establishment now so I think a younger generation will rise up against their authoritarianism as start to love liberty again.

I just hope it's not too late by the time they figure it out.  I hope the United States doesn't have to learn the hard way why it's a good idea to protect you borders, culture and rights.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #231 on: April 07, 2018, 04:19:11 PM »
Got another firearm today with the click of a button online, this dude is selling more guns than Obama lately...
New model M&P came out that I've been eyeing. No humans will be shot, just gun range targets. (Some have Hilary's face on them though, not mine, but gun range has them).



They shouldn't do that.  It's not helpful, especially now.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #232 on: April 07, 2018, 07:31:14 PM »
is it not possible that he isn't an expert in guns, or active shooter profiles, or laws or survival... he is just a kid that wasnt shot.. his opinions hold no weight, but that he is not being manipulated, just doesn't agree with you and some of your friends view?

I wouldn't know if he agrees with my views. I've never sat down with him. You don't believe he is being used? Surely you cant be that naive?

I dont want to be petty but ,you will note, what I said was PROBABLY manipulated. I dont know for sure. Like I said Ive never met him. But it is hard not to envision all of the fame, media frenzy, politicians, journalists,24 hr news networks surrounding this child and NO ONE in those circles not using their influence on him. It's possible but highly doubtful.

He's just a kid, who not all that long ago was exposed to a horrible tragedy. It is shameless the way he's being used. And it's not his fault. But recovering from that type of trauma takes a long time and alot of help. The position hez been thrust into is PROBABLY not the best thing for him.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #233 on: April 07, 2018, 07:56:45 PM »
The fact that many of them witnessed such a traumatic experience, automatically gives them more life experience than most adults.

Not many people can say they lived after such a traumatic experience.

What a profound awakening.

It isn't yet experience. It just happened. yes down the road you could day that. Being victimized is not the same thing as life experience. Coping with it, moving on and learning from it is. it takes time.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #234 on: April 07, 2018, 08:06:04 PM »
I get raped one day....

Doesn't make me a rape expert, nor does it make me an expert on how to deter rapes..


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #235 on: April 07, 2018, 10:27:18 PM »
I wouldn't know if he agrees with my views. I've never sat down with him. You don't believe he is being used? Surely you cant be that naive?

I dont want to be petty but ,you will note, what I said was PROBABLY manipulated. I dont know for sure. Like I said Ive never met him. But it is hard not to envision all of the fame, media frenzy, politicians, journalists,24 hr news networks surrounding this child and NO ONE in those circles not using their influence on him. It's possible but highly doubtful.

He's just a kid, who not all that long ago was exposed to a horrible tragedy. It is shameless the way he's being used. And it's not his fault. But recovering from that type of trauma takes a long time and alot of help. The position hez been thrust into is PROBABLY not the best thing for him.

Fair enough. You said probably. I think his beliefs align with many others. If that equates being used.. we can certainly apply that to many others on the other side as well.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #236 on: April 08, 2018, 05:16:19 AM »
"he's being manipulated" he's only a kid" "they're using him".... crock of sht.

he may be a kid (not sure of his age). but he is unquestionably on the side of logic and rationale.

there is no logical argument for having so many guns in society beyond, "we like our guns" , "we like playing with our guns" , "our guns make us feel safe" .even though all the evidence shows gun owners and their families are more at risk of harm.

there's  a reason why no other first world country has a huge gun violence problem....can you guess what it is?  ???



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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #237 on: April 08, 2018, 05:26:57 AM »
"he's being manipulated" he's only a kid" "they're using him".... crock of sht.

he may be a kid (not sure of his age). but he is unquestionably on the side of logic and rationale.

there is no logical argument for having so many guns in society beyond, "we like our guns" , "we like playing with our guns" , "our guns make us feel safe" .even though all the evidence shows gun owners and their families are more at risk of harm.

there's  a reason why no other first world country has a huge gun violence problem....can you guess what it is?  ???



He's not on the side of logic, he's on the side of emotion and he thinks he knows what he is talking about, but he doesn't. He's saying that the adults don't know how to use democracy, so the kids must show the adults how to  ::)

And what evidence shows this?
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even though all the evidence shows gun owners and their families are more at risk of harm.

What you just said is a backdoor way of saying, "you are at more risk for being a gun owner (legally), so you shouldn't have guns, so we will pass a law to take your guns away....And we will protect you from yourself and others."

Now what ideology espouses such beliefs? Could it be, European socialist? And could this also be used against your own when it comes to knives?


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #238 on: April 08, 2018, 05:37:48 AM »
He's not on the side of logic, he's on the side of emotion and he thinks he knows what he is talking about, but he doesn't. He's saying that the adults don't know how to use democracy, so the kids must show the adults how to  ::)

And what evidence shows this?
What you just said is a backdoor way of saying, "you are at more risk for being a gun owner (legally), so you shouldn't have guns, so we will pass a law to take your guns away....And we will protect you from yourself and others."

Now what ideology espouses such beliefs? Could it be, European socialist? And could this also be used against your own when it comes to knives?



tbf he's right to a great extent. adults are in charge and the gun laws are currently idiotic. a child could see that.

you are and your family are more at risk of coming to harm from your own gun than a non gun owning household are of coming to harm from any external threat.

having reasonable gun laws is now "socialist"  ??? is just more complete rubbish i'm afraid.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #239 on: April 08, 2018, 06:03:58 AM »
tbf he's right to a great extent. adults are in charge and the gun laws are currently idiotic. a child could see that.

you are and your family are more at risk of coming to harm from your own gun than a non gun owning household are of coming to harm from any external threat.

having reasonable gun laws is now "socialist"  ??? is just more complete rubbish i'm afraid.

Yeah OK, you are more likely to be struck and killed by lightening than shot and killed by an active shooter. 37 per year vs 51 per year, those idiotic gun laws ::)

This is what I love about the limey's always trying to tell the US what to do, guess what we fought a war to get away from your idiocy, what make you think we want your advice now?
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #240 on: April 08, 2018, 07:11:34 AM »
Yeah OK, you are more likely to be struck and killed by lightening than shot and killed by an active shooter. 37 per year vs 51 per year, those idiotic gun laws ::)

This is what I love about the limey's always trying to tell the US what to do, guess what we fought a war to get away from your idiocy, what make you think we want your advice now?


what gun problem? lightning kills more!!


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #241 on: April 08, 2018, 08:12:56 AM »
"he's being manipulated" he's only a kid" "they're using him".... crock of sht.

he may be a kid (not sure of his age). but he is unquestionably on the side of logic and rationale.

there is no logical argument for having so many guns in society beyond, "we like our guns" , "we like playing with our guns" , "our guns make us feel safe" .even though all the evidence shows gun owners and their families are more at risk of harm.

there's  a reason why no other first world country has a huge gun violence problem....can you guess what it is?  ???




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"he's being manipulated" he's only a kid" "they're using him".... crock of sht.

He's being exploited and he's ignorant on the subject just like you.

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he may be a kid (not sure of his age). but he is unquestionably on the side of logic and rationale.

Logic and rationale?  ::) His logic is to ban a gun that is used in less than 3% of all gun deaths , that's not logical or good rationale. He wants to punish law abiding citizens for the crimes of criminals , that's the antithesis of logic and rationale , it's ignorance fuel by emotion and directed at the wrong people.

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there is no logical argument for having so many guns in society beyond, "we like our guns" , "we like playing with our guns" , "our guns make us feel safe" .even though all the evidence shows gun owners and their families are more at risk of harm.


Bullshit , anti-gun propaganda!! I'll take the absolute lowest estimate of defensive use of a firearm Lower-end estimates include that by David Hemenway, a professor of Health Policy at the Harvard School of Public Health, which estimated approximately 55,000–80,000 such uses each year. It may be as high as 2.5 Million !! Your ignorance knows no bounds.

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there's  a reason why no other first world country has a huge gun violence problem....can you guess what it is?  ???


The old semantics game " first world country "  ::) The vast majority of " gun violence " is is suicides and going on numbers alone , considering the amount of guns per capita our rates are low. And your can't compare any of the other " first world countries " to us because they don't have our population or guns per capita

   According to the Congressional Research Service, as of 2009 there were roughly twice as many guns per capita in the United States as there were in 1968: more than 300 million guns in all

And directly contradicting your bullshit , our rates of gun ownership have doubled yet our murder rates have been steadily been dropping since the 90s. and I'll post this once again because you don't have the fucking mental capacity to comprehend it or you're to intellectually dishonest to look for the truth on the subject

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

" Would Banning Murder and Suicide? " read the whole study if you dare , I know you wont because you're a fucking idiot , so I'll let you know the answer. It's a resounding NO  ;)

Now what was that about " logic and rationale?" Yeah I thought so , fuck off back to your part of the world where it's a crime to say means things , and you're more likely to get stabbed to death on London than NYC

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #242 on: April 08, 2018, 08:26:26 AM »
tbf he's right to a great extent. adults are in charge and the gun laws are currently idiotic. a child could see that.

you are and your family are more at risk of coming to harm from your own gun than a non gun owning household are of coming to harm from any external threat.

having reasonable gun laws is now "socialist"  ??? is just more complete rubbish i'm afraid.



Get this through your ignorant pea-brain , It's NOT reasonable to ban a gun that is used in less than 3% of gun murders , it's NOT reasonable to punish the law abiding for the crimes of criminals , it's not reasonable , it's NOT reasonable to pass laws criminals will NOT obey.

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tbf he's right to a great extent. adults are in charge and the gun laws are currently idiotic. a child could see that.

You don't know the guns laws , you're being fed lies from The Guardian and wherever else you're getting your information , You're ignorant on the subject and that even a child can see

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you are and your family are more at risk of coming to harm from your own gun than a non gun owning household are of coming to harm from any external threat.

Bullshit debunked above , keep typing this maybe someone will believe it. You moron Europeans think you know what you're talking about , you don't , you don't have the first fucking clue on what's going on in this country in regards to Gun laws , we have 20K gun laws on the books , all sold to us as being " common sense " and " rationale " and we're expected to believe another one will cure the problem?  ::) Da Fuck Outta Here

Worry about getting ripped off from gh15 with his fake gear or do your research because you're in way over your fucking head on this subject dumbass


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #243 on: April 08, 2018, 08:56:47 AM »

what gun problem? lightning kills more!!



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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #244 on: April 08, 2018, 08:59:38 AM »
which one is you?




keep being a moron ND it suits you
leave it to the younger generation to sort out the mess of your and previous generations. they may actually have the balls



https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858

Abstract
 Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.


http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

"Although firearms are often kept in homes for personal protection, this study shows that the practice is counterproductive. Our data indicate that keeping a gun in the home is independently associated with an increase in the risk of homicide in the home"

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/4/284

Although there is debate about the issue,1,2 the weight of evidence suggests that keeping a gun in the home increases the mortality risks of household members. The evidence that gun ownership increases risks is perhaps strongest for suicides, particularly suicides of adolescents

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #245 on: April 08, 2018, 09:08:02 AM »
which one is you?



keep being a moron ND it suits you
leave it to the younger generation to sort out the mess of your and previous generations. they may actually have the balls



https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858

Abstract
 Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.


http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

"Although firearms are often kept in homes for personal protection, this study shows that the practice is counterproductive. Our data indicate that keeping a gun in the home is independently associated with an increase in the risk of homicide in the home"

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/5/4/284

Although there is debate about the issue,1,2 the weight of evidence suggests that keeping a gun in the home increases the mortality risks of household members. The evidence that gun ownership increases risks is perhaps strongest for suicides, particularly suicides of adolescents

So does having a swimming pool  :o  but you're not for calling for the banning of those are you?  ;) 

I'm glad you didn't address anything else you dolt , shows you're a coward  8) come back when you have facts. , facts are banning guns won't stop murder or suicides

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #246 on: April 08, 2018, 09:08:33 AM »
Children and unintentional firearm death


"Children in the United States are at far greater risk of unintentional gun death than children in other developed countries.
The relative figures may even be worse since the estimates for US child unintentional gun deaths are derived from the Vital Statistics which have been shown to be underestimates"

"The victims were predominantly male (81 %). Approximately two thirds of the shootings were other-inflicted, and in 97 % of those cases the shooter was a male. The typical shooter in other-inflicted shootings is a brother or friend. Indeed, children aged 11–14 are often shot in the home of friends"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4602049/

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #247 on: April 08, 2018, 09:12:15 AM »
Children and unintentional firearm death


"Children in the United States are at far greater risk of unintentional gun death than children in other developed countries.
The relative figures may even be worse since the estimates for US child unintentional gun deaths are derived from the Vital Statistics which have been shown to be underestimates"

"The victims were predominantly male (81 %). Approximately two thirds of the shootings were other-inflicted, and in 97 % of those cases the shooter was a male. The typical shooter in other-inflicted shootings is a brother or friend. Indeed, children aged 11–14 are often shot in the home of friends"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4602049/

Risk !! Owning a car puts your children at increased RISK of being the 1-in-1.3 MILLION

http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics

Ban cars , it's for the kids

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #248 on: April 08, 2018, 09:19:19 AM »
So does having a swimming pool  :o  but you're not for calling for the banning of those are you?  ;) 

I'm glad you didn't address anything else you dolt , shows you're a coward  8) come back when you have facts. , facts are banning guns won't stop murder or suicides


i don't have time to "address" your nonsensical faggotry. you can go back and forth with your drivel for months on end. some of us aren't unemployed bums and have lives and work to get on with.

but the FACT remain, there are way, way less murders in every developed country where guns are banned than the one where they aren't.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #249 on: April 08, 2018, 09:20:16 AM »
Common sense guns laws?

We want to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists , so no gun sales to people on the " terror watch list "

Makes sense? I could get behind that , who wants terrorists to get guns? Right?

Look further. Who's on the list? How do you get on the list? ( more importantly off the list? ) Let's see who's on the list shall we?

 https://www.dailywire.com/news/6879/these-13-people-placed-terror-watch-list-will-blow-amanda-prestigiacomo

An 8 year old cub-scout? A 6 year old girl? a fucking 2 year old child?????

This is what's being foisted as " commonsense guns laws " Seriously , this is why people are fucking fed up with anti-gun people , just fuck off already.