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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #125 on: March 26, 2018, 09:48:34 PM »
Seems this kid just might have lied..

UPDATE: CBS Video Confusing. Hogg Was on Campus.

https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2018/03/26/new-video-casts-doubt-whether-david-hogg-school-day-shooting/?utm_content=bufferdb71d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

have a look at your link again.. It's been updated to say the original story was horribly inaccurate. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I know you were excited about this

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2018, 10:36:34 PM »
have a look at your link again.. It's been updated to say the original story was horribly inaccurate. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I know you were excited about this

Ouch..

Meanwhile, prior to deleting the tweet, former RedState editor-in-chief Erick Erickson claimed that Hogg had contradicted himself in two separate interviews regarding his whereabouts, adding that it wasn’t a “fake news Gateway Pundit bs story.”

OK then.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/redstate-issues-insane-correction-to-article-implying-david-hogg-wasnt-at-school-during-shooting/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #127 on: March 26, 2018, 10:41:00 PM »
Ouch..

Meanwhile, prior to deleting the tweet, former RedState editor-in-chief Erick Erickson claimed that Hogg had contradicted himself in two separate interviews regarding his whereabouts, adding that it wasn’t a “fake news Gateway Pundit bs story.”

OK then.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/redstate-issues-insane-correction-to-article-implying-david-hogg-wasnt-at-school-during-shooting/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


I'll leave you to your hope that somehow David Hogg is an actor, or imposter or whatever the C.T. crowd hopes for to undermine the messages coming from the group of students. I get that half the country doesn't agree with anything he says, or almost anyone that mentions more restrictive gun laws, are labeled as communist etc.. but this insane attempt by them to create fiction to undermine them is sad, to quote the POTUS, just sad. 

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #128 on: March 26, 2018, 11:00:35 PM »
I'll leave you to your hope that somehow David Hogg is an actor, or imposter or whatever the C.T. crowd hopes for to undermine the messages coming from the group of students. I get that half the country doesn't agree with anything he says, or almost anyone that mentions more restrictive gun laws, are labeled as communist etc.. but this insane attempt by them to create fiction to undermine them is sad, to quote the POTUS, just sad. 

An actor? Probably not. An opportunist, most definitely.



David Hogg: “On The Day Of The Shooting, I Got My Camera And Got On My Bike And Road As Fast As I Could Three Miles From My House To The School Go Get As Much Video And To Get As Many Interviews As I Could Because I Knew That This Could Not Be Another Mass Shooting."

I’m not 100% blaming this kid. I believe he was (maybe because of his interest in Journalism) might be being used by the ones that are doing his PR. If you listen to the kids take on the this, he’s as dumb as a box of rocks, as is his skin headed lesbian friend.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #129 on: March 26, 2018, 11:11:22 PM »
An actor? Probably not. An opportunist, most definitely.



David Hogg: “On The Day Of The Shooting, I Got My Camera And Got On My Bike And Road As Fast As I Could Three Miles From My House To The School Go Get As Much Video And To Get As Many Interviews As I Could Because I Knew That This Could Not Be Another Mass Shooting."

I’m not 100% blaming this kid. I believe he was (maybe because of his interest in Journalism) might be being used by the ones that are doing his PR. If you listen to the kids take on the this, he’s as dumb as a box of rocks, as is his skin headed lesbian friend.

Hmmmm....

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #130 on: March 26, 2018, 11:11:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/kfrank0629/status/978500430295654400?s=21

I’m giving this kid the benefit of the doubt because I feel he’s too stupid to realize he’s being used. Apparently his parent are as well because they’re not stopping him.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2018, 11:23:24 PM »
Being a victim of violent crime doesn't make you an expert on anything.  It doesn't make your ideas and opinions correct.  It does not make you an authority.

Besmirching politicians, or the NRA, or the 2nd Amendment, or gun owners is not going to solve this complex societal problem. 

Not only are these little twats wrong about what they are saying, but the way they are conducting themselves is disgraceful.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #132 on: March 27, 2018, 12:06:46 AM »
Being a victim of violent crime doesn't make you an expert on anything.  It doesn't make your ideas and opinions correct.  It does not make you an authority.

Besmirching politicians, or the NRA, or the 2nd Amendment, or gun owners is not going to solve this complex societal problem. 

Not only are these little twats wrong about what they are saying, but the way they are conducting themselves is disgraceful.


On that same note, what makes you an expert on the subject matter? I'm not trolling you, but there are a lot of people, probably smarter than you or I,  that believe leaving things as the status quo isn't working. I don't buy into the argument that anyone who suggests looking at stricter gun regulations or closing loopholes in the current ones are automatically wanting to repeal the 2nd amendment. I think that is just a red herring. And conducting themselves disgracefully? They are kids and young adults. Where is your outrage over how the POTUS has been conducting himself?

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #133 on: March 27, 2018, 12:31:00 AM »
Quick question here.  What happens when they ban bump stocks, introduce more stringent mental health policies, dedicate more resources etc......and then.....a kid walks into a school with a basic handgun and shoots/kills 15-20 people?  Mental health needs to be at the forefront of this.  We need to find out why are we slowly going mad??

You just described the 2007 Virginia Tech shooting - the worst on-campus shooting in American history.  The shooter killed 32 and shot another 17 using two handguns.  It was at a college, so the shooter and victims were adults and couldn't tug the heart strings like last weekend's crop of noisy kids. 

If you have a beer belly you have a built-in bump stock.  One can use a shoelace or a belt loop to get the same effect, so a bump stock ban would be of no consequence, except to make bump stock owners immediate felons.

Reviewing the history of these mass shooters should reveal some useful metrics, but the Florida shooter was on local PD and FBI radar, and that wasn't of any benefit.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #134 on: March 27, 2018, 12:46:36 AM »
On that same note, what makes you an expert on the subject matter? I'm not trolling you, but there are a lot of people, probably smarter than you or I,  that believe leaving things as the status quo isn't working. I don't buy into the argument that anyone who suggests looking at stricter gun regulations or closing loopholes in the current ones are automatically wanting to repeal the 2nd amendment. I think that is just a red herring. And conducting themselves disgracefully? They are kids and young adults. Where is your outrage over how the POTUS has been conducting himself?

When did I say that I was an expert?  What I said is that being a victim doesn't automatically make someone an expert.  What I am, is a person that has done a bit of study on the intent of the 2nd Amendment and the real statistics of violent crime and gun related homicides in this country.  What I am, is a law abiding citizen with an informed opinion that is supported by what I believe to be some pretty compelling evidence.  I never positioned myself as an expert.  The press and the Democrat party, which are essentially one and the same, have positioned these kids as experts.  Experts whose victim status gives them authority on the subject and as a result, anyone who questions their ideas is "bullying children" or some other such nonsense.

The "status quo not working" is not an argument.  While every person who suggests stricter gun regulation doesn't automatically want to abolish the second amendment, there are a lot of people who do.  Powerful people with a lot of money that are paying for and organizing these very "protests".  People that have had an anti-gun agenda for many years.  They aren't reacting to a recent tragedy and trying to solve a problem, they are using the recent tragedy to pull on people's heart strings and get them to agree to things that they wouldn't have agreed to in years past.  Furthermore, you don't have to repeal the 2nd amendment in order to infringe upon it and render it ineffective.....and in my opinion, that is exactly what a lot of these proposed solutions will do.

Yes these kids are conducting themselves disgracefully.  If you haven't done so I urge you to watch some of their speeches interviews and conversations.  During which, they have blamed, slandered and besmirched several individuals, groups of people, and organisations.  They have attributed motive to people that they don't know, cursed and mocked them.  They have asserted that these people are responsible for the shootings, don't care about the kids, want more kids to die, etc, etc, etc.  As for Trumps conduct I urge you to discuss that in one of the many Trump related threads as I have no desire to switch the topic of this conversation from the students to someone that has nothing to do with them.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #135 on: March 27, 2018, 01:25:18 AM »
Being a victim of violent crime doesn't make you an expert on anything.  It doesn't make your ideas and opinions correct.  It does not make you an authority.

Besmirching politicians, or the NRA, or the 2nd Amendment, or gun owners is not going to solve this complex societal problem. 

Not only are these little twats wrong about what they are saying, but the way they are conducting themselves is disgraceful.


Well said^^

Attention whoredom at its finest by these twinks. If all guns are banned, BANG, mental illness is now cured and no one will get murdered.
No Molotov's, no machete killings, nothing... Seems like they have everything well under control.  ::)

Modern day twinks  ::) ???

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #136 on: March 27, 2018, 01:37:37 AM »
A candidate for sheriff in Buncombe County, North Carolina recently joked about killing people who wish to retain their constitutional right to bear arms. R. Daryl Fisher, who is running as a Democrat, quipped at a campaign event:

“You’ve heard people say: ‘You’ll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands.’ Okay!”


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180326/nc-democratic-sheriff-candidate-jokes-about-killing-gun-owners

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #137 on: March 27, 2018, 03:11:40 AM »
A candidate for sheriff in Buncombe County, North Carolina recently joked about killing people who wish to retain their constitutional right to bear arms. R. Daryl Fisher, who is running as a Democrat, quipped at a campaign event:

“You’ve heard people say: ‘You’ll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands.’ Okay!”


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180326/nc-democratic-sheriff-candidate-jokes-about-killing-gun-owners

To all of those folks that like to say gun owners are exaggerating and nobody wants to take their guns, etc.

Here we have a Democrat, running for a position of power in law enforcement, joking about killing US citizens that don't want to turn over their guns........which he wants to ban and confiscate.

His "joke", is met with much laughter from the audience.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2018, 03:19:24 AM »
Here's a quote by one of the students at the recent March.  The blonde girl with glasses.  One of the students that was at the school with David Hogg.  Her name is  Delaney Tarr.  I think this speaks to the true ambitions of the people organizing these protests.

"When they give us that inch, that bumpstock ban, we will take a mile.  We are not here for breadcrumbs, we are here for real change".

Think I'm making all this up?  Take a little time, do a little research, and watch the fucking videos of this stuff coming directly out of their mouths.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #139 on: March 27, 2018, 04:41:04 AM »
Not paying too much attention to the kids but they seem to be creating a stir. Grown men meltdown or two occurring around here for it being youngsters.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #140 on: March 27, 2018, 06:36:15 AM »
The first civil war in America was about states rights, the second will be about individual rights.
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #141 on: March 27, 2018, 07:46:44 AM »
so much for generation of nothingness, its nice to see youth getting involved in politics from a young age

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #142 on: March 27, 2018, 09:13:30 AM »
so much for generation of nothingness, its nice to see youth getting involved in politics from a young age

It's easy to be an activist when you aren't burdened with understanding any of the issues you are ranting about.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #143 on: March 27, 2018, 09:40:51 AM »
beginning of time = tons of guns ......   school shootings = yawn

2000's = still tons of guns.....   school shootings = ban guns!!!!



WTF changed... as it sure wasn't the availability of guns


Therefore anyone with at least 1/2 a brain should conclude GUNS aren't the problem.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #144 on: March 27, 2018, 10:12:18 AM »
beginning of time = tons of guns ......   school shootings = yawn

2000's = still tons of guns.....   school shootings = ban guns!!!!



WTF changed... as it sure wasn't the availability of guns


Therefore anyone with at least 1/2 a brain should conclude GUNS aren't the problem.

Logic?  who needs it.  We have feelings.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #145 on: March 27, 2018, 10:57:13 AM »
I remember, in my high school days, all the trucks in the parking lot had rifles and shotguns in the rear window.  Those were the days.   :)

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #146 on: March 27, 2018, 11:31:42 AM »
Logic?  who needs it.  We have feelings.

While you claim you don't claim to be an expert, it is clear you believe anyone who disagrees with your position isn't as knowledgeable  about the subject and therefore wrong. What is the difference?

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #147 on: March 27, 2018, 11:43:02 AM »
If they're trying to prevent school shootings, the only one on the list that would help, is the last.  All the rest is fluff.   :-\

Better point of view:


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #148 on: March 27, 2018, 02:54:54 PM »
A candidate for sheriff in Buncombe County, North Carolina recently joked about killing people who wish to retain their constitutional right to bear arms. R. Daryl Fisher, who is running as a Democrat, quipped at a campaign event:

“You’ve heard people say: ‘You’ll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands.’ Okay!”


https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180326/nc-democratic-sheriff-candidate-jokes-about-killing-gun-owners

I watched the video. Bet you didnt.. he said "when you pass away, we'll come get it" because...he ALSO went on to explain, if a gun ban passed today, it would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL to take guns already purchased legally. That they couldn't simply go confiscate guns because that would be again.... UNCONSTITUTIONAL. please stop spreading false news like a Liberal Pundit.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #149 on: March 27, 2018, 04:01:14 PM »
I watched the video. Bet you didnt.. he said "when you pass away, we'll come get it" because...he ALSO went on to explain, if a gun ban passed today, it would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL to take guns already purchased legally. That they couldn't simply go confiscate guns because that would be again.... UNCONSTITUTIONAL. please stop spreading false news like a Liberal Pundit.

It's not fake news. He said it , paused for laughter & applause , then continued. And a gun ban is Unconstitutional in itself. But ultimately there a movement towards abolishing the Second Amendment which will lead to another Civil war https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment.html