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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #375 on: April 13, 2018, 06:21:08 PM »
Btw: Any idea how suicides fit into such statistics?  A person who commits suicide along these lines is/was considered a household with a gun, I'd have  to say.
I'm sure it's added in to their numbers to skew the results to make owning a gun seem more dangerous that it really is. ::)
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #376 on: April 13, 2018, 06:30:40 PM »
I'm sure it's added in to their numbers to skew the results to make owning a gun seem more dangerous that it really is. ::)

Lord knows we've had lots of opportunity to think about it, lately, and now (more than ever before) it should be obvious to everyone that an anti-gun stand is 100% thoughtless fakery for a common person to take.

Nonetheless, "someone" has thought it over and they're using MSM to push it.  Any citizen who continues to help push it, along with MSM: I really don't know what to say.  I don't understand why the person hasn't stopped and asked wtf is going on.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #377 on: April 13, 2018, 06:40:03 PM »
I have no interest in ever shooting a gun. It’s just not worth the risk.
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #378 on: April 13, 2018, 06:42:00 PM »
Those with a limp wrist are not advised to shoot a gun.

No, SF ;D ;D

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« Reply #379 on: April 13, 2018, 08:24:30 PM »
Those with a limp wrist are not advised to shoot a gun.

No, SF ;D ;D

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What if the gun back fires and the bullet hits my eyeball?  ??? ???
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« Reply #380 on: April 13, 2018, 08:26:14 PM »
;D ;D ;D ;D

What if the gun back fires and the bullet hits my eyeball?  ??? ???

Yes, everything's fun until someone loses an eye!!

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« Reply #381 on: April 13, 2018, 09:03:14 PM »
Yes, everything's fun until someone loses an eye!!

“You’ll shoot your eye out.”

What movie?
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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #382 on: April 13, 2018, 09:10:09 PM »
“You’ll shoot your eye out.”

What movie?

Frozen part 2, coming to theaters in 2020.

Elsa comes out as a lesbian, shaves her head and becomes an activist.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #383 on: April 13, 2018, 09:50:37 PM »
“You’ll shoot your eye out.”

What movie?

Hate to be a spoiled sport, but I've never gotten into movies.  Idk know why I reject them, immediately, but something about the social-engineering of Hollywood makes me angry with movies (for lack of a better description).  Usually, it's impossible for me to pay the mind to follow it through.  I know it's probably too extreme, but no way I can see changing at this point.

Though some comedies are funny, I'll admit.  The Naked Gun series was just so damned stupid, as it was meant to be, it's actually hilarious (to me) for the wtf factor.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #384 on: April 13, 2018, 09:52:32 PM »
;D you got me to look, anyway.  Christmas Story?

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #385 on: April 13, 2018, 09:55:59 PM »
Frozen part 2, coming to theaters in 2020.

Elsa comes out as a lesbian, shaves her head and becomes an activist.

Crazy, but when I first read this it looked serious.  Then I got to thinking about it, and it's like, "no, this can't be... can it?"

Lmfao that's why I looked it up.

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« Reply #386 on: April 13, 2018, 09:58:03 PM »
Crazy, but when I first read this it looked serious.  Then I got to thinking about it, and it's like, "no, this can't be... can it?"

Lmfao that's why I looked it up.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #387 on: April 13, 2018, 10:55:26 PM »
Anyone heard anything about the Youtube shooting recently?  lol.




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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #388 on: April 14, 2018, 10:34:37 AM »
Frozen part 2, coming to theaters in 2020.

Elsa comes out as a lesbian, shaves her head and becomes an activist.

Are you serious, broskie?!?!

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« Reply #389 on: April 14, 2018, 10:36:00 AM »
;D you got me to look, anyway.  Christmas Story?

Yup!!

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #390 on: April 14, 2018, 11:51:23 AM »
You understand (I hope) that you've just pulled the rug from under the feet of all assertions you hope to make.

Fact is, I do believe you know it.  That's why you won't claim to know the assertion is true, but rather you'll say "studies find..." and similar.  Also why you include "really" above.  You don't know.

i really have no idea. where do the figures come from for crimes prevented by use/presence of a firearm ?. my guess would be a survey of gun  owners?

You can't say either way, IOW.  Statistics result when the worst situations force themselves to be recognized, in the case of guns.  Add suicide to skew perception, and it's what we're left with as "gun information" to be studied as though it's balanced and realistic.  It's not.  Not even slightly.

suicides do not skew the "perception". the studies i posted separated murder/suicide/accidents and gun owners were found to be more likely to die from each of those 3 causes than non gun owners


They can rake money from every which way, regardless of the stand.  The $1000 per day fine mentioned in a recent news story should tell you that. (posted on political board)

1. Because it's impossible to do an honest study which won't disagree with an anti-gun stand.

i think it's more a case of given the statistics it would be impossible to produce an anywhere close to honest study that would support the pro gun stance. why else would the NRA have lobbied for the ban on studies?

2. Because it will show an increasing problem of suicide, which can't help but to draw attention to failed policies.
 
the suicide figures are readily available. that's not what they want to cover up. it's the fact that guns do not protect. anecdotally they may do. but across the board they have exactly the opposite effect.

There are two good reasons, right off the bat.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #391 on: April 14, 2018, 12:05:21 PM »
Women overwhelmingly commit suicide by more passive means like taking pills.. shall we ban pills to "save the women"  A car in a sealed garage works too, lets ban those. I know someone who committed suicide by jumping off a cliff, better ban geology..its an infinite regression and knee jerk arguments which serve those who are looking for every excuse to ban weapons.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #392 on: April 14, 2018, 04:41:32 PM »
i really have no idea. where do the figures come from for crimes prevented by use/presence of a firearm ?. my guess would be a survey of gun  owners?

Here's what you need to know: The fact that peacefulness is meant to be the norm, the state of existence through which all else is measured, makes it impossible to create statistics for matters which were stopped before they could become statistics.

For instance: A person notices a small group of strangers on his/her land, perhaps behaving in a way to indicate they're unconcerned/not respectful to the fact they're trespassing.  They've noticed the house and are now approaching it.  Upon being met with a gun pointed at them, they put on their best behavior and offer a reason or excuse for their presence, then leave.  Perhaps now, even, the homeowner feels a little guilty after acting as s/he did.  Maybe it can be believed it was "only a drink of water" they wanted.  Or maybe not.

If they're criminals, any one of them, it's not at all unlikely that any future crime-planning they're involved in won't be done with an interest in meeting firepower.  Much easier marks are everywhere.  Did the homeowner save him/herself from robbery, assault, death?  On that day?  On a future day?

suicides do not skew the "perception". the studies i posted separated murder/suicide/accidents and gun owners were found to be more likely to die from each of those 3 causes than non gun owners

All based on the worst cases playing out.  That's it.  That's all it says.

i think it's more a case of given the statistics it would be impossible to produce an anywhere close to honest study that would support the pro gun stance. why else would the NRA have lobbied for the ban on studies?

 
the suicide figures are readily available. that's not what they want to cover up. it's the fact that guns do not protect. anecdotally they may do. but across the board they have exactly the opposite effect.

Do you think everyone, regardless of any potential agenda, wants to bring light to it?   


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #393 on: April 15, 2018, 06:14:25 AM »
Here's what you need to know: The fact that peacefulness is meant to be the norm, the state of existence through which all else is measured, makes it impossible to create statistics for matters which were stopped before they could become statistics.

well that was my question because i keep seeing people quoting stats for crimes prevented by a firearm. so they must exist. but as you say, i would guess it's very difficult to quantify. whereas it is much easier to work out the death rate between gun owners and non gun owners. maybe the death rate is higher for gun owners because they constantly running around risking their lives protecting non gun owners(?)

For instance: A person notices a small group of strangers on his/her land, perhaps behaving in a way to indicate they're unconcerned/not respectful to the fact they're trespassing.  They've noticed the house and are now approaching it.  Upon being met with a gun pointed at them, they put on their best behavior and offer a reason or excuse for their presence, then leave.  Perhaps now, even, the homeowner feels a little guilty after acting as s/he did.  Maybe it can be believed it was "only a drink of water" they wanted.  Or maybe not.

If they're criminals, any one of them, it's not at all unlikely that any future crime-planning they're involved in won't be done with an interest in meeting firepower.  Much easier marks are everywhere.  Did the homeowner save him/herself from robbery, assault, death?  On that day?  On a future day?

All based on the worst cases playing out.  That's it.  That's all it says.

Do you think everyone, regardless of any potential agenda, wants to bring light to it?   

logically it would follow that the people that don't want things brought to light are those who believe their agenda will be hindered if the true picture is uncovered.


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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #394 on: April 15, 2018, 09:33:01 PM »
well that was my question because i keep seeing people quoting stats for crimes prevented by a firearm. so they must exist. but as you say, i would guess it's very difficult to quantify. whereas it is much easier to work out the death rate between gun owners and non gun owners. maybe the death rate is higher for gun owners because they constantly running around risking their lives protecting non gun owners(?)

Or maybe it's because handling a gun is riskier than juggling air.  I'd have to imagine that's it.

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logically it would follow that the people that don't want things brought to light are those who believe their agenda will be hindered if the true picture is uncovered.

The story of MSM.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #395 on: April 15, 2018, 09:41:02 PM »
Next Soros/Hogg walk out is scheduled for “4/20” which happens to be Hitlers birthday. Coincidence? I don’t think so. He’s going to celebrate Hitler while smoking a joint

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #396 on: April 15, 2018, 10:02:16 PM »
Next Soros/Hogg walk out is scheduled for “4/20” which happens to be Hitlers birthday. Coincidence? I don’t think so. He’s going to celebrate Hitler while smoking a joint

The kid is such a punk.  How he's survived without getting his face smashed clear through his asshole, I really don't know.  Doesn't make sense.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #397 on: April 15, 2018, 11:23:12 PM »
The kid is such a punk.  How he's survived without getting his face smashed clear through his asshole, I really don't know.  Doesn't make sense.


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« Reply #398 on: April 15, 2018, 11:40:29 PM »

 ;D

Something's fake about this whole thing.  There's much more to this story than what's known, imo.  He's been "trained" to shoot his mouth off, unchallenged, and that doesn't happen through any natural course I've ever seen.

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Re: Proposed Gun Law Changes by Students:
« Reply #399 on: April 16, 2018, 01:16:05 AM »
Something's fake about this whole thing.  There's much more to this story than what's known, imo.  He's been "trained" to shoot his mouth off, unchallenged, and that doesn't happen through any natural course I've ever seen.

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