Pensioner kills burglar - now looking at murder charge

[The Scott]

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Well said, good sir! 

[Meta-physical]

I don't know my neighbours 92 and got more mod cons and shit than me. This fuckers a real getbigger, still climbs on his roof and clears leaves off and shit! Hes 92!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's cut from a different cloth, Dazza. Just like us! It's been downhill ever since they locked up Ronnie and Reggie.

[Darren Avey]

Exactly, if 85 year old Reg and Ron were still around none of this filth would be running the East End.

[Darren Avey]

Breaking news.........No further action will be brought against the old man so fuck off you stinking Guardian reading do gooder pieces of shit, go hug a pedo to comfort yourself and go cry over the poor burglar wurlgar now fuck off before I cave your head in using one of your own beloved beige sandals.

[illuminati]

How do you guarantee a child abuser never hurts another child? By executing them. So capital punishment does work. Back to your Guardian newspaper and Jeremy Corbyn poster.

Bang on.
No one can argue that.

[Las Vegas]

X2. Cantankerous old bastard. There's no way in hell a 78-year-old has a top-of-the-range television. I guarantee it was one of those giant CRT television sets with a built-in VHS player; hardly worth stabbing someone over. Possibly winding him or giving him a dead-leg at best, but it's likely he ran up to the poor guy and knifed him as he was struggling to hoist the fucking thing off the table.

Nope.  A big, low cabinet with record player on top.  Hi-Fi sound, too.  Lovely golden-threaded material over the speakers.

Lol, probably not too many TVs stolen back then.  They'd take a drafthorse to move.

[Meta-physical]

Nope.  A big, low cabinet with record player on top.  Hi-Fi sound, too.  Lovely golden-threaded material over the speakers.

Lol, probably not too many TVs stolen back then.  They'd take a drafthorse to move.

Haha, definitely. I've an immense amount of admiration for the old-school burglars. Not only would you have to master correct lifting technique to avoid a slipped disc, but you'd also have to contend with some no-nonsense oddball like Tony Martin, rigging his fucking farmhouse up like something out of Home Alone and camping under the stairs with a pump-action, absolutely salivating at the chance to turn you into Stephen Hawking.

[Las Vegas]

Haha, definitely. I've an immense amount of admiration for the old-school burglars. Not only would you have to master correct lifting technique to avoid a slipped disc, but you'd also have to contend with some no-nonsense oddball like Tony Martin, rigging his fucking farmhouse up like something out of Home Alone and camping under the stairs with a pump-action, absolutely salivating at the chance to turn you into Stephen Hawking.

 

[Ropo]

it's not the "easy" thing to do. it's the correct thing to do to protect all parties, legally and given the gravity of the situation and potential legal consequences for the "stabber" in this case, it's even more important that the correct procedures were followed.

from what i see of the US a lot of the policing is pretty primitive. for instance, roadside sobriety tests where they get the driver to walk around or touch their nose and do all manner of stupid sht. for 50 years or so in the UK the sole roadside sobriety test has been the breathalyser.

also when you consider that US police kill nearly 1000 people a year compared to 4 or 5 a year in the UK, i think i prefer how the legal system works here tbh.

1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?

[Griffith]

1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?

100 % correct.

There is no rational way to argue otherwise.

[Conker]

1000 people? Well..yes. But there is also 14 million arrest per year, and from that 1000 dead is just about 0.5 ‰. Not quite same than UK? In USA there is per year 60 000 cases where criminal use gun against police. How about UK? In reality every fucking country should have law which allow you to defend your home by lethal force. Why? When burglar comes to your house, how exactly you could know if they will take your life among other things? It is kind of late afterwards, you know? Therefore you should have means and rights to protect your life, but in the UK and many other countries you haven't. It is perfectly OK to try to kill you, but if you use force to protect yourself and do harm to the criminal who try to kill you, you go to jail. How exactly that makes any sense?

well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.

there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.

the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.

[illuminati]

well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.

there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.

the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.

There are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK.
yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out

That’s Staggering difference by anyone’s standards
Alarmingly so
I’d like to hear how the American LE explain that huge
Level of discrepancy.

If you didn’t know better you’d think -
1, A 3rd world war torn country
2, A civil war going on

Likely they explain it by one word — Guns

[Conker]

There are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK.
yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out

That’s Staggering difference by anyone’s standards
Alarmingly so
I’d like to hear how the American LE explain that huge
Level of discrepancy.

If you didn’t know better you’d think -
1, A 3rd world war torn country
2, A civil war going on

Likely they explain it by one word — Guns

well you'd think anyone with a modicum of common sense would quickly come to that conclusion . but it would seem at least half of the US is a common sense free zone

[illuminati]

well you'd think anyone with a modicum of common sense would quickly come to that conclusion . but it would seem at least half of the US is a common sense free zone

You’d think so.

Let’s see what the sensible intelligent replies
From our American friends

[Tapeworm]

If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.

[Conker]

If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.

that's a bit of a cop out from "the greatest country in the world" ...."we have a big problem...but it's just too big to do anything about"

[The Scott]

How about we as a race of human beings quit playing "moral limbo"?

[Ropo]

well given the numbers you present there , having so many guns in society obviously isn't working out so well. guns are certainly not having the "protective" effect the gun nuts say they do.

there are approx 6 times as many people in the US as in the UK. yet police kill people at around 200 x the frequency. work that one out.

the UK does have laws allowing you to protect your life, as evidenced by the pensioner in this case being released with no further action after a few hours of police questioning.

Here is more numbers to you: In USA there is per year only 1500 cases where citizen shoot to protect himself, and from that amount of shots, 20% of criminals are fatally wounded. Same time there is 2 -2.5 millions of crimes prevented only because presence of the gun. If guns doesn't have any protective effect, why those numbers are like they are? Because no one want to give their life for few bucks. Even criminals aren't so stupid, they choose to run if they see a gun, because that gives them a chance to try again with better luck..

[Tapeworm]

that's a bit of a cop out from "the greatest country in the world" ...."we have a big problem...but it's just too big to do anything about"

That's tipping points for you, and the place is toppled.  I emigrated but retain citizenship. 

[Griffith]

If you could push a magic button and get rid of all the guns then you'd push it, but if you lived there you'd own one.

And even if guns are banned criminals would still have them and get hold of them on the black market as they do already.

[Tapeworm]

And even if guns are banned criminals would still have them and get hold of them on the black market as they do already.

Right, that's why the magic button is magic and doesn't exist.

I take it that you agree that the problem isn't guns.  It's people.  Would that be accurate?

[Griffith]

Right, that's why the magic button is magic and doesn't exist.

I take it that you agree that the problem isn't guns.  It's people.  Would that be accurate?

I agree, banning guns will not solve anything.

[Tapeworm]

You seem a bit on the back foot.  How about promoting gun ownership in places where it's banned?

[Griffith]

You seem a bit on the back foot.  How about promoting gun ownership in places where it's banned?

In the US, criminals are going to have guns anyway.

In South Africa it's very difficult to get a firearm license, most civilians do not have weapons, but the murder rate is extremely high because criminals have illegal weapons.

So even if gun ownership is totally banned the result is criminals with guns and unarmed victims.

The guns are just smuggled in from neighboring countries.

[Tapeworm]

Yauh, I mean if your life is in peril you'd bloody well want to have a means of protiction at hand.  Failing all else you'd have to go to the bleck market.