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« Reply #150 on: June 20, 2018, 05:37:53 PM »
Red flag 1: The guy who is billing you isn't the guy doing the work.  Don't hire a trade broker with 'his crew' who aren't tradesmen enough to be out doing their own thing.  I've never seen a crew who work without the contractor present do a good job.  It has never happened.  They will deliver 'good enough' which isn't.

Red flag 2: No trade specific tools or a whole lot of cheapo brand tools.  If you're in the game for real then you have good gear, all of it, and it looks worked.

Red flag 3: They're the cheapest.  I know that the only thing that counts right now is money.  Later, the only thing that will count is quality.  Never ask a contractor to beat the other guy's price.  Once I hear that, I won't even do the job for what I quoted.  Not everyone can afford the Taj Mahal, and that's fine.  Some corners you can cut no problem, some you barely can, and other's you shouldn't ever.  An experienced tradesman knows which are which.  The cheapest guy is probably going to cut them all.  Hire him and you're complicit.

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« Reply #151 on: June 20, 2018, 05:45:39 PM »
Oh I agree 100% on the Amazon and product thing. Contractors, not so much. For example, we're moving to Florida in the fall. I'm not from this area and want to find a reputable  moving company. A lot of horror stories on long distance moving companies out there and weeding through the reviews, they all sound like there is a good chance it's gonna suck. Seems for every good experience someone has with one of the companies, 3 people have a bad one. You would think moving companies would care what the reviews say but it doesn't seem like it. You have to hire one of them and they are equally crappy  :)

I was working for a moving company and I can tell you after many experiences its 99% of the time the clients who start bullshit and try to shortchange the moving companies

alot of these people who had their stuff "held" typically are refusing to pay and demanding all kinds of shit not in the estimate

example we had one guy recently(paki) mooving his family into a new house. I was at the estimate which was only supposed to be the main floor of the house he was renting. then he made us stop at a storage facility to pick up a "few boxes" which turned out to be a trcukload of brand new furniture(couches, fridges, bbq's etc) all in original brand new boxes, some of which weighed almost 200lbs which he wanted all on the second floor of this house. added a few hours to the job and he refused to pay the extra afterwards until he almost got his paki head caved in by the boss

doing moves I learned tlike I said 99% of the time its the clients who pull bullshit then refuse to pay what amlunts to extra work that was not part of the original agreement, then they go online and bitch

Just saying there is more to the story of these reviews. even the biggest most reputable comapanies go through this
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« Reply #152 on: June 20, 2018, 06:31:40 PM »
I haven't stained or varnished much but latex glosses all suffer from brush marks to at least some degree ime.  There's internet wisdom which recommends adding extenders such as antifreeze but I never wanted to roll those dice.

The last bunch of flush panel doors (doorway doors, not cabinet doors), I just used a 4mm nap microfibre/mohair roller, rolled pretty dry.  :-\  Slight, uniform orange peel beats brush marks, hands down.  Might try a foam roller at some point and see if it's any flatter.  Everyone was happy but I felt I could do better.  It was pretty much the finish I'd get from an airless but I want a fucking mirror.  In water based, guess that's the grail.

Think I'm going to buy a Kremlin air assisted airless.  I always spray trim so want production quantity rather than a pot gun.  Critics say AAA solves a problem which doesn't exist since all you have to do is water down the paint to get it to gel and eliminate spray fingers, but I'm not interested in watering down the paint.  I'm willing to heat it to reduce viscosity but I don't want to fuck with the formulation.  The bond would be fine but it kills the thixotropy and hang, so now you're shooting for lesser coverage to avoid runs and doing another full circuit around.  Also, every pro painter I've spoken to who poo-poos AAA has never used one and is rough as a badger's ass.  Doesn't mean they're wrong but pretty sure I'm going to ignore them since my work is miles better than theirs and I'm not even a 'real painter.'

Did you spend any time with AAA or HVLP in your days, Prime?

I did not and have not ever used an Airless, AAA or HVLP. 'My day' was a long time ago.  ;)

When I worked with my dad, who was a painting contractor, I did all the brush work. Cutting in walls and ceilings was a snap and a workout because you're up and down the ladder a lot. I also did the trim, using oil based enamel which was pretty much the only choice back then. I could knock out a divided light window pretty quickly. When my dad started in the business, everyone used brushes because there was no such thing as rollers.

After moving to Portland, I worked with a painting contractor who only did high-end work, mostly for repeat customers. The only area he rolled was flat paint on walls. In rooms where some sheen was called for, like bathrooms and kitchens we brushed the walls using oil based enamel for a super smooth finish. All trim work was done in oil and brushed. There were no visible brush marks.

One of his customer's home was painted with lead in oil on the exterior. Al bought up all he could find when it was being phased out just for this client. The method of application was to brush it on two or three siding boards at a time and go all the way from one end to the other so there would be no overlaps. Damn that stuff was heavy. After 8 hours of bushing it on with a 5" brush, my arms were pretty sore.  

Only recently, did I begin using water-based enamels. My preference is semi-gloss or velvet type finishes. If you really load the brush, tapping the paint in and brush a section without lifting the brush, it comes out pretty darn smooth. You should avoid going back over the area because the paint sets up really fast and you will get laps. Better to wait until the paint is fully set up and repaint the whole piece. -Always buy the highest quality brushes you can find.

Never heard about adding antifreeze. Seems like it defeats the whole purpose of using low VOC paints. Isn't antifreeze tinted with blue or pink? I think this might change to color of the paint ever so slightly.

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« Reply #153 on: June 20, 2018, 06:35:08 PM »
I was working for a moving company and I can tell you after many experiences its 99% of the time the clients who start bullshit and try to shortchange the moving companies

alot of these people who had their stuff "held" typically are refusing to pay and demanding all kinds of shit not in the estimate

example we had one guy recently(paki) mooving his family into a new house. I was at the estimate which was only supposed to be the main floor of the house he was renting. then he made us stop at a storage facility to pick up a "few boxes" which turned out to be a trcukload of brand new furniture(couches, fridges, bbq's etc) all in original brand new boxes, some of which weighed almost 200lbs which he wanted all on the second floor of this house. added a few hours to the job and he refused to pay the extra afterwards until he almost got his paki head caved in by the boss

doing moves I learned tlike I said 99% of the time its the clients who pull bullshit then refuse to pay what amlunts to extra work that was not part of the original agreement, then they go online and bitch

Just saying there is more to the story of these reviews. even the biggest most reputable comapanies go through this

Fuckin A.  I'm scheduled for an outside repaint this weekend.  Guy initially told me that quality doesn't matter ( ???) because he's just sprucing it up to sell it.  Literally said if there's peeling paint that I should just paint right over it.  

How about no.

So I get him to agree.  Then he says don't bother with primer, just slap the white paint on.

It's gonna tannin bleed in 10 minutes, dude.  We're priming.



Talked him down out of his tree and reduced the scope to essential areas to save him money.  For every shoddy tradesman out there, there are 10 shoddy clients.  A good 1/4 of people push you to do shitty work.  Landlords.  Real estate companies.  City councils.  Even people who intend to keep living there.  Women are even worse than men.  "Would it save money if we just...?"  Yes it would and I'm not doing that.  You have all the knowledge of a Day 1 work experience kid so kindly keep your brilliant ideas to yourself.  We're not going to hold the house together with caulk and staples.

Better now.  Whew.

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« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2018, 07:09:09 PM »
I did not and have not ever used an Airless, AAA or HVLP. 'My day' was a long time ago.  ;)

When I worked with my dad, who was a painting contractor, I did all the brush work. Cutting in walls and ceilings was a snap and a workout because you're up and down the ladder a lot. I also did the trim, using oil based enamel which was pretty much the only choice back then. I could knock out a divided light window pretty quickly. When my dad started in the business, everyone used brushes because there was no such thing as rollers.

After moving to Portland, I worked with a painting contractor who only did high-end work, mostly for repeat customers. The only area he rolled was flat paint on walls. In rooms where some sheen was called for, like bathrooms and kitchens we brushed the walls using oil based enamel for a super smooth finish. All trim work was done in oil and brushed. There were no visible brush marks.

One of his customer's home was painted with lead in oil on the exterior. Al bought up all he could find when it was being phased out just for this client. The method of application was to brush it on two or three siding boards at a time and go all the way from one end to the other so there would be no overlaps. Damn that stuff was heavy. After 8 hours of bushing it on with a 5" brush, my arms were pretty sore.  

Only recently, did I begin using water-based enamels. My preference is semi-gloss or velvet type finishes. If you really load the brush, tapping the paint in and brush a section without lifting the brush, it comes out pretty darn smooth. You should avoid going back over the area because the paint sets up really fast and you will get laps. Better to wait until the paint is fully set up and repaint the whole piece. -Always buy the highest quality brushes you can find.

Never heard about adding antifreeze. Seems like it defeats the whole purpose of using low VOC paints. Isn't antifreeze tinted with blue or pink? I think this might change to color of the paint ever so slightly.

The theory is that slowing the evaporation will let the paint gel like an oil would.  Ethylene glycol is one way and I think a clear version is sold in paint shops at magic-stuff prices, but it's just antifreeze.  Dose is supposed to be super low, like .2% or something, so color change would be negligible but I've heard it'll fuck with proper polymerization.  Artists use glycerine as well but I never dared engage in such alchemy.  I'm comfortable using dishsoap or triphosphate in drywall mud or interior renders but I'm more cautious when it comes to admixtures in paints.

Tbh I bought a lot of $ worth of Coronas recently.  Dropped about $800 on brushes, plus a bunch of other stuff.  They're good but it's still brushwork and not going to be up there with a sprayed finish.  I like their Excaliber for latex and Chicago Loop for oil if you're in the market.

I'm in an area with a lot of older 'heritage' houses so those damn divided casement and sash windows are common, and the glazing putty is always failing.  I tend to mask, prime, first color, then caulk tight, second color immediately over wet caulk, and peel the masking while second color and caulk are wet so nothing bridges.  Comes up nice and straight and corrects the crappy putty.  I'd love to find a nice slow drying caulk tho.  Might get a caulk mixer so I can tint it for deeper colors too.

Anyway, I'll let you know what the AAA is like with latex.  Got a job in about 6-7 weeks.  Hoping to get a door rack built by then as well that will let me flip them and re-rack on my own.


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« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2018, 07:19:07 PM »
I was working for a moving company and I can tell you after many experiences its 99% of the time the clients who start bullshit and try to shortchange the moving companies

alot of these people who had their stuff "held" typically are refusing to pay and demanding all kinds of shit not in the estimate

example we had one guy recently(paki) mooving his family into a new house. I was at the estimate which was only supposed to be the main floor of the house he was renting. then he made us stop at a storage facility to pick up a "few boxes" which turned out to be a trcukload of brand new furniture(couches, fridges, bbq's etc) all in original brand new boxes, some of which weighed almost 200lbs which he wanted all on the second floor of this house. added a few hours to the job and he refused to pay the extra afterwards until he almost got his paki head caved in by the boss

doing moves I learned tlike I said 99% of the time its the clients who pull bullshit then refuse to pay what amlunts to extra work that was not part of the original agreement, then they go online and bitch

Just saying there is more to the story of these reviews. even the biggest most reputable comapanies go through this

Good points. I may be biased as I remember watching a 20/20 type show investigation on moving companies that would hold your things for ransom until you paid an increase. It appeared from the show that it was just outright extorting the customers who had all their stuff on their trucks. But I'm sure you are right, customers will tend to downplay what they want you to do and then later add things in expecting the price to stay the same. Had a friend in the auto repair industry that saw it on a daily basis.

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« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2018, 07:35:38 PM »
I just notice that one of the pics I posted didn't attach. I think I reached the limit. Anyway, this pic
is with one of my close friends there who is really an intelligent and interesting guy. Lives in a nice house walking distance from work and owns a brand new truck and a 2015 Camry. Not rich but lives very
comfortably and goes on cruises once a year and travels to Europe once a year for vacation. He is 70 years old but looked much younger until he just recently grew the beard. The guy is in great shape
and works as a janitor at the store. I don't get it and give him a hard time about it but he use to work in the store and when the custodian position opened up he jumped on that. He just likes getting out of the house, being on his feet not confirmed to one area in the store, and chatting and meeting all the people that come in the store.

I really believe just keeping busy helps you stay young. It gives your body the signal that you need to stay alive. When you just sit around doing nothing, like so many do when retired, like my father did, you give your body the signal that there's no point to stay alive. Being lazy makes you even more lazy.



 

Pellius you look like Alfred Neuman's grandfather

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« Reply #157 on: June 21, 2018, 04:16:22 AM »
Not everyone can be such a perfect specimen like you.



12 year old photoshopped pic? Just like a democrat.
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« Reply #158 on: June 21, 2018, 05:54:05 AM »
Oh I agree 100% on the Amazon and product thing. Contractors, not so much. For example, we're moving to Florida in the fall. I'm not from this area and want to find a reputable  moving company. A lot of horror stories on long distance moving companies out there and weeding through the reviews, they all sound like there is a good chance it's gonna suck. Seems for every good experience someone has with one of the companies, 3 people have a bad one. You would think moving companies would care what the reviews say but it doesn't seem like it. You have to hire one of them and they are equally crappy  :)
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« Reply #159 on: June 21, 2018, 01:15:49 PM »
12 year old photoshopped pic? Just like a democrat.

Well, there's nothing stopping you from posting a recent pic other than embarrassment.

And as long as I've been on this board, the over 10 thousand posts with many to do with
politics, culture and religion you deduce that I am a Democrat?

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« Reply #160 on: June 21, 2018, 01:40:07 PM »
Serious vein-a-tion Pellius.

Have you always had veins like that?

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« Reply #161 on: June 21, 2018, 02:18:24 PM »
The theory is that slowing the evaporation will let the paint gel like an oil would.  Ethylene glycol is one way and I think a clear version is sold in paint shops at magic-stuff prices, but it's just antifreeze.  Dose is supposed to be super low, like .2% or something, so color change would be negligible but I've heard it'll fuck with proper polymerization.  Artists use glycerine as well but I never dared engage in such alchemy.  I'm comfortable using dishsoap or triphosphate in drywall mud or interior renders but I'm more cautious when it comes to admixtures in paints.

Tbh I bought a lot of $ worth of Coronas recently.  Dropped about $800 on brushes, plus a bunch of other stuff.  They're good but it's still brushwork and not going to be up there with a sprayed finish.  I like their Excaliber for latex and Chicago Loop for oil if you're in the market.

I'm in an area with a lot of older 'heritage' houses so those damn divided casement and sash windows are common, and the glazing putty is always failing.  I tend to mask, prime, first color, then caulk tight, second color immediately over wet caulk, and peel the masking while second color and caulk are wet so nothing bridges.  Comes up nice and straight and corrects the crappy putty.  I'd love to find a nice slow drying caulk tho.  Might get a caulk mixer so I can tint it for deeper colors too.

Anyway, I'll let you know what the AAA is like with latex.  Got a job in about 6-7 weeks.  Hoping to get a door rack built by then as well that will let me flip them and re-rack on my own.



I am so out of touch with all the newest advances and changes in the painting trade. Like I mentioned, it's been a whole lot of years since this was my profession. The last time I painted a room was almost 20 years ago. These days I stick to touchups and shorter ladders. Maybe it is like riding a bicycle or weight training....one you've done it, it comes back to you pretty quickly, notwithstanding new technologies.

I said I might do the painting for the next phase of the remodel, but there's also a chance I'll renege.



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« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2018, 02:31:03 PM »
Well, there's nothing stopping you from posting a recent pic other than embarrassment.

And as long as I've been on this board, the over 10 thousand posts with many to do with
politics, culture and religion you deduce that I am a Democrat?


So I see that joke of his went right over your wig ::)

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« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2018, 03:00:27 PM »

So I see that joke of his went right over your wig ::)

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« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2018, 04:29:00 PM »

So I see that joke of his went right over your wig ::)
Must have been the octo part of the octoroon.
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« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2018, 04:38:17 PM »

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« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2018, 08:04:39 PM »



Bwahahahahaha.....this explains a lot!

I can’t even imagine how much your intellect is stunted from that hair dye leaking through your skull and into your brain!

 ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #167 on: June 21, 2018, 11:45:37 PM »
look at this guy,...LOOK AT THIS FUCKING GUY
he has the nerve to shit talk the way other people look?
WTF am I looking at? that face, those ears, that hair, are you kidding me? Has this guy ever EVER been laid?

ps dickfuck Pellius
know how simple it was to get your real name? Find the location where Dale and George work, use simple social engineering and kaboom
be a fukin shame if someone were to email your work discussing your pedophiliac tendencies hey?

When have I shit talked the way others look unless they do it first? BTW, where's your pic? Exactly, another keyboard warrior hiding behind a computer. And, even at near sixty, I bet I have more hair on my head than your balding mug. Of course, we'll never know as you would be laughed off this board if you ever posted a pic.

Why don't you post my real name. I remember Josh, if you're not Josh yourself, claimed to have my real name and posted "something like it". If it's against board rules PM me. What are you afraid of? Even if it's my real name and I deny it you are sure to put the fear of God in me so what do you have to lose? If I get no response then there goes your credibility.

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« Reply #168 on: June 21, 2018, 11:49:31 PM »
Serious vein-a-tion Pellius.

Have you always had veins like that?

No, i would say people started making comments when I was around 24-25 years old. I do believe it had something, if not everything, to do with training style as I started to lose them when I would go back to the traditional routines pushed in the magazines. I'm sure some is genetic though nobody else in my family is like that and I come from a family of nine and I wasn't born that way.

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« Reply #169 on: June 21, 2018, 11:50:15 PM »
When have I shit talked the way others look unless they do it first? BTW, where's your pic? Exactly, another keyboard warrior hiding behind a computer. And, even at near sixty, I bet I have more hair on my head than your balding mug. Of course, we'll never know as you would be laughed off this board if you ever posted a pic.

Why don't you post my real name. I remember Josh, if you're not Josh yourself, claimed to have my real name and posted "something like it". If it's against board rules PM me. What are you afraid of? Even if it's my real name and I deny it you are sure to put the fear of God in me so what do you have to lose? If I get no response then there goes your credibility.

dude
why melt down here?
just deal with the email at work tomorrow
christ what a waste of typing

and pellius, if you dont understand you are an ugly ugly man, Im seriously sorry. No wonder you chase 13 year old girls, women wouldnt touch you

can you pick up multiple frequencies with those ears? Dumbo is jealous

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« Reply #170 on: June 22, 2018, 12:11:31 AM »
dude
why melt down here?
just deal with the email at work tomorrow
christ what a waste of typing

and pellius, if you dont understand you are an ugly ugly man, Im seriously sorry. No wonder you chase 13 year old girls, women wouldnt touch you

can you pick up multiple frequencies with those ears? Dumbo is jealous

I'm not one to claim someone is a gimmick like with BeThere everyone was Joon but check out this guy's recent post history and present behavior on this board and tell me this is not that parasitic POS, Josh.

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« Reply #171 on: July 18, 2018, 07:52:53 PM »
dude
why melt down here?
just deal with the email at work tomorrow
christ what a waste of typing

and pellius, if you dont understand you are an ugly ugly man, Im seriously sorry. No wonder you chase 13 year old girls, women wouldnt touch you

can you pick up multiple frequencies with those ears? Dumbo is jealous

Whats the status on the email threat?

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« Reply #172 on: July 18, 2018, 08:03:43 PM »
Pellius, do you have wife ans kids ?

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« Reply #173 on: July 18, 2018, 08:32:10 PM »
Whats the status on the email threat?

Yawn.

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« Reply #174 on: July 18, 2018, 08:33:31 PM »
Pellius, do you have wife ans kids ?

I've addressed that before and will again, but first you tell me if you have a wife and kids.