If Arnold was 20 years old today, would he choose pro bodybuilding?

[plebian]

christ i would hope not

can anyone imagine arnold except on the drug meta of today's pros? Fat, bloated, bald and pre-diabetic just like the rest of them. Awful.

[Kwon3]

Arnold was a self made man who came from a far away shithole   , Trump was the son of a millionaire.  

Austria was a first world country, not a shithole, even in 1968. Trump was given a loan by his father that would be roughly tantamount to $10,000,000 today. Do you know how easy it is to blow that kind of money in a city like New York? He turned it into the wealth you see today. Actually, he lost all of it and got it back completely on his own - where was his father in 1990? Not giving him any money to start over, for one thing. Now he has golf courses, buildings, his iconic tower, a countless investments people don't know about (which is why he didn't release his taxes). Oh, and he's also President of the United States. What's Arnold done besides turn California into a liberal shithole and cheat on the wife that got him his career in film? Let's not compare apples to oranges here.

If Arnold was that smart, he wouldn't have had to do G4P, take nude photos of himself (still searchable online), sell mail order workout videos or even inject himself with steroids for over a span of 3 decades to flex his arms on stage and later play the same role in every movie he made from 1980 to 1992. He deserves credit for what he's achieved, but he's not Donald Trump by any stretch of the imagination and I doubt he'd want to be, either. Being a billionaire and head of state is enough to kill just about anyone; look how old Obama and George W Bush looked after 8 years in the oval office.

[IroNat]

Kwon3, you are just killin' it today.

KO baby!

[Earl1972]

Exactly why I think a young Arnold wouldn't be chasing a pro card today...  with the mindset ,charisma  "barracuda mode" and no uncle Joe around ...... nothing to look for in this "sport" .



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how does he use his charisma today to make it out of austria and into hollywood?  what roles would be be cast in without being a muscle man?  all of his roles revolved around his body, so what would be his niche without the muscles? 

most women have told me he's not handsome, so he couldn't be a leading man like brad pitt or whatever guy is considered "hot" these days

he doesn't have the acting skills for serious roles, so what can he be other than the muscle bound hero in cheesy action movies or an inhuman looking cyborg?  would a comedy like twins be as good if he was skinny?  so i don't know how he becomes a movie star without bodybuilding

bodybuilding provides more opportunities now than it did in the 60's

i think arnold with today's drugs and competition would easily win the olympia, he was ahead of his time

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[plebian]

how does he use his charisma today to make it out of austria and into hollywood?  what roles would be be cast in without being a muscle man?  all of his roles revolved around his body, so what would be his niche without the muscles? 

most women have told me he's not handsome, so he couldn't be a leading man like brad pitt or whatever guy is considered "hot" these days

he doesn't have the acting skills for serious roles, so what can he be other than the muscle bound hero in cheesy action movies or an inhuman looking cyborg?  would a comedy like twins be as good if he was skinny?  so i don't know how he becomes a movie star without bodybuilding

bodybuilding provides more opportunities now than it did in the 60's

i think arnold with today's drugs and competition would easily win the olympia, he was ahead of his time

E

if you seriously think arnold became the highest paid actor in hollywood for over a decade by being "just" a muscle man, i would suggest you should go do some research on all the other muscle-men who tried to make it in hollywood and never got out made for TV garbage. There were many. Arnold absolutely had charisma and screen presence, and yes he was good looking despite what your women friends say. Ugly people do not become stars in hollywood. Steve Buscemi is a terrific actor, but he will never fill out a billboard or get top billing on a major studio film, because no one is paying to see buscemi specifically, because despite his talents, he is fucking ugly.


you are right to suggest that without bodybuilding he would not have had a career, but it does not then follow that he only owes his success to being muscular. As i say, many foolishly tried to follow in arnold's footprints thinking that all that was needed was a big ripped physique. Many tried, many failed, embarrassingly so. Hell guys that were better looking than arnold (dolph lundgren, literally a male model before film) tried to emulate it and didn't find continued success because they just didn't have that X factor.

[Earl1972]

if you seriously think arnold became the highest paid actor in hollywood for over a decade by being "just" a muscle man, i would suggest you should go do some research on all the other muscle-men who tried to make it in hollywood and never got out made for TV garbage. There were many. Arnold absolutely had charisma and screen presence, and yes he was good looking despite what your women friends say. Ugly people do not become stars in hollywood. Steve Buscemi is a terrific actor, but he will never fill out a billboard or get top billing on a major studio film, because no one is paying to see buscemi specifically, because despite his talents, he is fucking ugly.


you are right to suggest that without bodybuilding he would not have had a career, but it does not then follow that he only owes his success to being muscular. As i say, many foolishly tried to follow in arnold's footprints thinking that all that was needed was a big ripped physique. Many tried, many failed, embarrassingly so. Hell guys that were better looking than arnold (dolph lundgren, literally a male model before film) tried to emulate it and didn't find continued success because they just didn't have that X factor.

i said many times throughout this thread that arnold's charisma is what set him apart from other muscle men

still he owes everything he has to muscle, he is still in austria to this day if not for bodybuilding, tell me how he makes it to america without muscle, tell me how joe weider or whoever today brings him to america without the muscle

is he conan without the muscle?  this is the movie that made him known in hollywood

the terminator is easily his most famous role, tell me how he gets that role without the muscle when even cameron admits he picked him because of his muscle

commando, predator, twins does he get these roles without the muscle?  yes or no

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[Coach is Back!]

No he wasn't.  That's all BS.

He got a small stipend from Joe Weider and made only a small amounts from his Olympia wins.  The purses were very small.  As far as the bricklayer nonsense and real estate investments, where would he have gotten the money to invest?  Selling bodybuilding mail order courses?  Some money but not a lot.  He didn't make any serious money in those years.  

He didn't start cashing in until 1984 with Conan the Destroyer (Conan 2) and Terminator.

His career movie earnings are well over $200 million.  

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000216/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm#salary

Salary:

Hercules in New York (1970)    $12,000
Conan the Barbarian (1982)    $250,000
Conan the Destroyer (1984)    $1,000,000
The Terminator (1984)    $750,000
Commando (1985)    $1,500,000
Predator (1987)    $3,000,000
The Running Man (1987)    $5,000,000
Red Heat (1988)    $8,000,000
Total Recall (1990)    $10,000,000
Kindergarten Cop (1990)    $12,000,000
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)    $15,000,000
Last Action Hero (1993)    $15,000,000
True Lies (1994)    $15,000,000
Junior (1994)    $15,000,000
Eraser (1996)    $20,000,000
Jingle All the Way (1996)    $20,000,000
Batman & Robin (1997)    $25,000,000
End of Days (1999)    $22,000,000
The 6th Day (2000)    $25,000,000
Collateral Damage (2002)    $25,000,000
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)    $29,250,000
The Last Stand (2013)    $5,000,000 +25% of first dollar

I remember the story as he made his most of his money in the beginning as a contractor, not real estate. Hired mostly bodybuilders to not just pay their way but also for marketing. No?

[IroNat]

I remember the story as he made his most of his money in the beginning as a contractor, not real estate. Hired mostly bodybuilders to not just pay their way but also for marketing. No?

It all sounds good from a PR angle.

Arnold transforming LA with his army of bodybuilder laborers wearing toolbelts.  

Think about it how absurd that really is.

Bodybuilders are lazy as heck and just want to train and eat but Arnold convinces them to work their asses off doing home improvements.

Right...

[hipolito mejia]

Austria was a first world country, not a shithole, even in 1968. Trump was given a loan by his father that would be roughly tantamount to $10,000,000 today. Do you know how easy it is to blow that kind of money in a city like New York? He turned it into the wealth you see today. Actually, he lost all of it and got it back completely on his own - where was his father in 1990? Not giving him any money to start over, for one thing. Now he has golf courses, buildings, his iconic tower, a countless investments people don't know about (which is why he didn't release his taxes). Oh, and he's also President of the United States. What's Arnold done besides turn California into a liberal shithole and cheat on the wife that got him his career in film? Let's not compare apples to oranges here.

If Arnold was that smart, he wouldn't have had to do G4P, take nude photos of himself (still searchable online), sell mail order workout videos or even inject himself with steroids for over a span of 3 decades to flex his arms on stage and later play the same role in every movie he made from 1980 to 1992. He deserves credit for what he's achieved, but he's not Donald Trump by any stretch of the imagination and I doubt he'd want to be, either. Being a billionaire and head of state is enough to kill just about anyone; look how old Obama and George W Bush looked after 8 years in the oval office.

Arnold is not where he is today because G4P ,quit that nonsense already. And yes, Trump's daddy was a millionaire .... Donald was born with a silver spoon in the big apple. 

[Pet shop boys]

No he wasn't.  That's all BS.

He got a small stipend from Joe Weider and made only a small amounts from his Olympia wins.  The purses were very small.  As far as the bricklayer nonsense and real estate investments, where would he have gotten the money to invest?  Selling bodybuilding mail order courses?  Some money but not a lot.  He didn't make any serious money in those years.  

He didn't start cashing in until 1984 with Conan the Destroyer (Conan 2) and Terminator.

His career movie earnings are well over $200 million.  

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000216/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm#salary

Salary:

Hercules in New York (1970)    $12,000
Conan the Barbarian (1982)    $250,000
Conan the Destroyer (1984)    $1,000,000
The Terminator (1984)    $750,000
Commando (1985)    $1,500,000
Predator (1987)    $3,000,000
The Running Man (1987)    $5,000,000
Red Heat (1988)    $8,000,000
Total Recall (1990)    $10,000,000
Kindergarten Cop (1990)    $12,000,000
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)    $15,000,000
Last Action Hero (1993)    $15,000,000
True Lies (1994)    $15,000,000
Junior (1994)    $15,000,000
Eraser (1996)    $20,000,000
Jingle All the Way (1996)    $20,000,000
Batman & Robin (1997)    $25,000,000
End of Days (1999)    $22,000,000
The 6th Day (2000)    $25,000,000
Collateral Damage (2002)    $25,000,000
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)    $29,250,000
The Last Stand (2013)    $5,000,000 +25% of first dollar

The movie Twins not on that list ....

Although he didn't have a salary for the movies TWINS ... he made over 30 mils



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[IroNat]

The movie Twins not on that list ....

Although he didn't have a salary for the movies TWINS ... he made over 30 mils



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The amount of money you can make in Hollyweird is incredible.

[honest]

i doubt today that arnold would choose bodybuilding to be his path to fame and fortune, its just too competitive and now negative in looks to be mainstream his physique would not be rewarded in his most successful look by todays judging standards which reward bloated side effect looking physiques, whilst I like arnold I just dont see his acting skills either separating him from others. his success like most peoples was all about timing he was the right guy at the right time in the right place.

Arnold would always be successful, most likely today he would focus on education and getting into business, his determination and skill set would have him push for opportunity and eventually like his real life he would have got one and turned it into success. He's not where he is today because of his physique he's there because of his drive and ambition, bodybuilding was just the opportunity vehicle that he drove there.

[FREAKgeek]

I think the key to his drive was the "hardships" of his life in Austria and relations with his family. If today mitigated these circumstances, he'd probably choose some other path, but still workout imo.

[HTexan]

I somehow doubt it.  I wonder what endeavour he would have pursued?  Maybe crossfit?

nah, He would be lazy like most 20 YOs are now.

[Kwon3]

Arnold is not where he is today because G4P ,quit that nonsense already. And yes, Trump's daddy was a millionaire .... Donald was born with a silver spoon in the big apple. 

You're misquoting me, so let me correct you: He did G4P and a host of other things before he got his start in movies. Reread what I said, unless reading is optional for you liberals.

What does Trump's father have to do with any discussion about Trump's own wealth beyond the loan he admits to getting to start it off? Give $1 million to anyone and see if they become billionaires 15 years later.

Again, you have no case. Zip. Arnold =/= Trump.

[Dave D]

Arnold never chose body building pro body building chose him.

[Kwon3]

Arnold never chose body building pro body building chose him.

I agree. Before he got into competing or when he had but took 8 months off gear - either way - the photos just how slender his build was despite monster joints (as with his hands). So for that splindly kid with short legs and a long torso plus no English to become the envy of every bodybuilder in the United States from humble beginnings on a farm is an exceptional and improbably hard achievement. But he knew his limits, and even as a bodybuilding champion he was living in an era when no one cared about it or knew its winners, so basically he stopped living off only lifting pieces of metal and evolved into branching out in high society. That a bodybuilding drug abuser could go from a beach shack to mingling with crowds is Arnold's true success story, not his film career or his millions. It's how he worked his way into LA and New York's social elites one step at a time, whether washing their dishes in a hotel kitchen or promoting his workout cassette tapes or books at a local mall complete with sweatbands and latex shorts with Otomix shoes on for effect and asking around for politicians.

Arnold's gift is his charm. It has been from day one and is why he won in 1980 when he clearly didn't deserve it; got put in charge of the President's council of fitness by George HW Bush in the late '80s; how he managed to remain relevant into the early 2000s when his genre of film had buried other stars (Van Damme, Lundgren, Stallone (for a while), Seagal) ten years earlier. And finally, how he could be elected governor of the world's 4th economy (or whatever it is 5, 6) for not one but two terms.

He is many times the social genius Trump is. He just didn't choose the same line of business and so while exceedingly rich, is not a multibillionaire.

[Earl1972]

Arnold never chose body building pro body building chose him.

 

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[The Scott]

Compared to Trump, Arnold is a great bodybuilder and a fine actor.  Other than those two "talents", the Oak is a sapling compared to President Trump.

Fuck Arnold for being a RINO and a kuntlette of one at that.  His legacy as the greatest bodybuilder of all time is cemented in time.  But...He's a socialist cucktard now and so on anything other than bodybuilding he can go intercourse himself.

[Earl1972]

arnold's life > trump's life

just look at their demeanor even before trump took office

arnold always positive and alpha while trump is always moody and confrontational

arnold is a rags to riches story while trump was born into wealth, yet trump is the insecure guy with a major chip on his shoulder always feeling like he has something to prove

as he always has and always will, arnold wins

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[The Scott]

arnold's life > trump's life

just look at their demeanor even before trump took office

arnold always positive and alpha while trump is always moody and confrontational

arnold is a rags to riches story while trump was born into wealth, yet trump is the insecure guy with a major chip on his shoulder always feeling like he has something to prove

as he always has and always will, arnold wins

E

*SNICKER*

Arnold is the poster cuck for why someone not born here should never be allowed to be President.  He should never have been allowed to be Governor.  He's lib now.  If you're a lib, I suppose that's a "good reason" to like him.  I think he was the best ever to stand on the dais, but otherwise he's just a cucktard now.  His choice to do so.  FTN.

[Earl1972]

*SNICKER*

Arnold is the poster cuck for why someone not born here should never be allowed to be President.  He should never have been allowed to be Governor.  He's lib now.  If you're a lib, I suppose that's a "good reason" to like him.  I think he was the best ever to stand on the dais, but otherwise he's just a cucktard now.  His choice to do so.  FTN.

so you're going to disregard all that he's accomplished because you don't agree with his political views?

here's the reality of the situation, arnold is now 70 years old, as they say around here "he's old and useless to us now" but not just to us but everybody

being 70 is not exactly "cool" especially for a guy that made his name by being larger than life

i think it's safe to say at this point in his life he realizes his days are numbered, his glory days are long gone, and he just wants people to like him at this point

give him a break he deserves it after all the awesome movies and inspiring bodybuilding pics he's given us

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[Kwon3]

arnold's life > trump's life

just look at their demeanor even before trump took office

arnold always positive and alpha while trump is always moody and confrontational

arnold is a rags to riches story while trump was born into wealth, yet trump is the insecure guy with a major chip on his shoulder always feeling like he has something to prove

as he always has and always will, arnold wins

E

arnold is second to none in his arrogance
his nice guy schtick was just that, an act
he's a German Bill Cosby with a catalog of accusations and proven cheating behind him
and a two-faced hypocrite who spoke for George W.Bush in 2004 at the convention but then gave illegals driver's licenses in California
arnold would be president or want to be if he was allowed to run by the constitution, don't get that twisted for a second
nobody has a bigger chip on his shoulder than Arnold
he just hides it well and Trump doesn't need to fake it

[Earl1972]

arnold is second to none in his arrogance
his nice guy schtick was just that, an act
he's a German Bill Cosby with a catalog of accusations and proven cheating behind him
and a two-faced hypocrite who spoke for George W.Bush in 2004 at the convention but then gave illegals driver's licenses in California
arnold would be president or want to be if he was allowed to run by the constitution, don't get that twisted for a second
nobody has a bigger chip on his shoulder than Arnold
he just hides it well and Trump doesn't need to fake it

what nice guy act?  charisma does not mean you come off as a nice guy, it means you come off as cool and somebody that people gravitate towards

often times the charismatic guy is a total bully, but people still like him

trump was just the lesser of two evils compared to hilary, lets not pretend people actually like him

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[Kwon3]

what nice guy act?  charisma does not mean you come off as a nice guy, it means you come off as cool and somebody that people gravitate towards

often times the charismatic guy is a total bully, but people still like him

trump was just the lesser of two evils compared to hilary, lets not pretend people actually like him

E

Not necessarily. Charm generally makes people like you, otherwise it wouldn't be charming. Bullies don't bully everyone, just those they don't feel anything to gain from, usually.

As for Trump. sure they do. There's lots of people who enjoy his speeches, fill up stadiums at his rallies (when it's no longer needed, since he's elected), and proudly wear his MAGA gear as well as donate whatever little they make to causes he supports, as well as his 2016 campaign.

You're way off track here, man. Trump is very popular and will get another term, and it has nothing to do with Hillary now or previously, as he bested other Republicans as well, all of whom weren't the other guys in blue.