South Africa's top diplomat slams Trump tweet as 'right-wing ideology'

[Conker]

"but if it's a choice between the apartheid system that went before and the ANC the latter is obviously a zillion times better for the majority.

and whatever you may think, SA is in the top two economies in africa and even per capita it is in the top 2 or 3. it may well be a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back but since the end of apartheid the country has come on leaps and bounds and regardless of all the doom and gloom stories it will continue to steadily progress."

Conker, I agree with you on that, the country is a better place since apartheid was scrapped. As I have said before, I knew at age 10 that what was happening was very wrong, and said so from then on. I returned to SA full of the hope that was valid, sort of , at that time. The country is doing well, in African terms, except I think a good few are not in recession. However, it should be a hell of a lot better. The issue here is not: white monopolist wealth......its how many godamn sickeningly poor, like you cant understand, black people there are right now, I think , maybe more than apartheid. It should not be like that, and if it is, the publicly visible corruption should not be happening. It is evil. It's not even racist, it's directed at everyone, thoughtlessly, based on personal goals that are nowhere near socialist. Man, almost every one of the guys you hear about, Julius, Thabo, Cyril....they are wearing about 300 000 rand of watch and suit during each sound clip. I knew it was wrong, I wanted to change it, the same way I should want to change it now, but I am old.

I am suprised I am saying this., and am probably just shattered after a long ass Friday, but you seem like an individual who presents what seem like researched, considered arguments. Apart from the fact that you would kick my ass down a street, which we both know wouldn't happen as if we were ever to meet we would end up getting drunk in heated political debate and then fighting. You have handled the vitriol of this board, mine included, with some fair calmness, sometimes, in some recent answers. It also seems that you have your own insight into the situation which you expect to be able to present without personal attack. I appreciate that, as it is discussion and often leads to me learning shit.

Have a fairly well researched link. If you don't approve of the authors, please be aware that it is a lot better that hearing about : white mans lightning, or how the recent drought were the effects of white monopolist capital and apartheid:

https://www.afriforum.co.za/wp-content/uploads/20180423-AfriForum-Land-and-land-reform-Draft-2-compressed-1.pdf

you actually come off as a good dude. the polar opposite of whiny, self entitled fagboy white SAs like griffin. that can't undertstand that whites can actually feel hardship too and think that the system of apartheid was just fine and dandy.

i skimmed through your linked report (unfortunately don't have time to read in full) some quite interesting reading, but to me it seems clear the main aim of it is to justify white settlement. but however it's spun the land was taken by force.

so in my mind you can't have it both ways. if you think whites were justified in taking the land, you can't oppose the rights of blacks to take it back with force now that they have the whip hand(without being a hypocrite). even though (in the main) that hasn't really happened.

anyway i wish all the best to all the good people of SA, of all races. hopefully the country will keep moving towards being a better place for all.

[Fortress]

Gee, what a surprise.

No kidding.

Blacks are a disaster, everywhere.

[Griffith]

https://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2018/09/11/land-prices-plummet-ewc-firms

Land prices plummet as EWC firms up

Farm prices in South Africa have plunged by a third since the ruling party decided to seek a change to the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without compensation, and as commodity prices fell due to bumper harvests following a drought.

The ANC’s move has added to wider emerging-market jitters in knocking South African assets. Critics of the plan and investors say the move could lead to an erosion of property rights.

Output by the agricultural industry contracted 29 percent in the second quarter – a major contributor to the country falling into its first recession since 2009.

The average price of a hectare of agricultural land is 43 percent lower than April 2016, when it was at a record, Bornman said. The total value of transactions has dropped 57 percent since December to R826 million, he said.

[Thin Lizzy]

The endgame is that it will be way worse than during Apartheid.

[Conker]

https://www.biznews.com/sa-investing/2018/09/11/land-prices-plummet-ewc-firms

Land prices plummet as EWC firms up

Farm prices in South Africa have plunged by a third since the ruling party decided to seek a change to the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without compensation, and as commodity prices fell due to bumper harvests following a drought.

The ANC’s move has added to wider emerging-market jitters in knocking South African assets. Critics of the plan and investors say the move could lead to an erosion of property rights.

Output by the agricultural industry contracted 29 percent in the second quarter – a major contributor to the country falling into its first recession since 2009.

The average price of a hectare of agricultural land is 43 percent lower than April 2016, when it was at a record, Bornman said. The total value of transactions has dropped 57 percent since December to R826 million, he said.

BS again my young dutch compadre

farmland prices fell in the first 6 months of 2018... that's jan-end of jun. 2 months before the anc announced their proposed new land reform policy.
farmland prices fell because agri produce prices fell. it's simple economics. if the potential profit in farming falls the price of farmland falls. can you work out why?

from your linked article.

"the value of South African farmland has dropped by 33% in the first six months of this year. That’s before the ANC’s EWC policy"

"agricultural commodity prices fell because of bumper harvests following a drought. Farmland prices inevitably followed"

[Griffith]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-11/south-africa-business-confidence-drops-to-lowest-this-year

South Africa Business Confidence Drops to Lowest This Year

South African business confidence declined to the lowest level this year as industries raised concern about policy uncertainty, including the ruling party’s plan to change the constitution to make it easier to expropriate land without paying for it.

Gross domestic product contracted in the second quarter from the previous three months, landing the economy in its first recession since 2009.

“We remain deeply concerned about the prospects,” said Ettienne le Roux, RMB’s chief economist. “The political and policy factors weighing down on business confidence must be resolved to produce impetus for an increase in sentiment,” he said, referring to the ANC’s land-reform plans.

[Conker]

oh yes i'm sure this uncertainty surrounding a sector that makes up a colossal 3% of GDP is really going to lead to complete economic ruin!

[MorganSA]

^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.

Ous are hungry here.

[Griffith]

^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.

Ous are hungry here.

Yes, if local food production massively decreases, the prices of what's available will sky-rocket. Those on low incomes will suffer the most.

Already, a 30 % reduction in agriculture is huge, and that's already before any land seizures have taken place.

I've already seen the frenzy when bottles of water run out from local stores, I can imagine something similar happening with food.

Coupled with all this, there's also the risk of the currency taking a massive hit when the first farms are seized, which in itself will increase prices of everything.

Then there's also still the continued risk of a ratings downgrade to junk status on the local currency which would lead to 150 billion having to immediately be disinvested from the country.

It's easy for some people to comment who don't live in SA, but this is a disaster which SA might never recover from.

[Conker]

^^ Conker, the potential ruin is not economic, it's the fact that there are a lot of hungry families here already. We don't export much, as everyone is eating it. I think at one stage, maybe soon again, we were importing maize from around the world. This drop in production is scary shit. People may literally get eaten, if the decline continues or worsens for a mere 2 more quarters.

Ous are hungry here.

don't worry, you'll all be fine. the country's survived much greater hardships than this

[IRON CROSS]

don't worry, you'll all be fine. the country's survived much greater hardships than this

Hey Paki Plonker, TOMMY say Hi 

[mac33]

Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...

[Agnostic007]

If there's one refrain the Left is known for it's advocating for causes it wouldn't want anything to do with in their day-to-day lives, be it minorities in the inner cities, the plight of people of whom they know nothing in various war zones or other hot spots around the world, illegal immigrants breaching the U.S. border and crossing private land in the southern states then blending into American society (sometimes with fatal results with the people who cross their paths, like Kate and Mollie, among many others), 'gentrification' in previously black-majority neighborhoods of major cities or police 'brutality' against uncooperative and/or dangerous suspects that end up eating a lead salad on someone's decontextualized cellphone video that just went viral. The list is endless. There's not one of these topics on which the Left and its unhinged supporters would want any kind of personal experience, because they'd soon be cured of their misplaced sympathy for situations and people they really know nothing about.

In those rare instances where they walk the talk and actually leave their cozy White-majority ecosystem to actually see what life is really like in the places they want the U.S. to send cash and soldiers to in support of a cause they can't even clearly define or explain, they invariably end up shot, mugged, burgled, sold into sex slavery or brutally murdered by the very people they were championing on Twitter from the comfort of their American dwellings. There's two recent examples in threads posted here about Westerners going to the Middle East or Africa and never being seen or heard from again.

Kind of like anti abortionist who won't adopt

[mac33]

Or abortionist who don`t want capital punishment 

[Griffith]

Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...

As soon as talk of land seizures started the economy, currency and food production took a dive.

Unemployment is now the highest in history and business confidence the lowest in decades.

Already the revenue service is saying they won't be able to make their targets.

The currency is also at near record lows.

Banks are also warning that land seizures could lead to financial collapse of banking institutions.

The Reserve Bank is also warning that it could heavily damage the economy and lead to increased currency weakness and inflation.

[Thin Lizzy]

Well it seems there is everything in order in SA and white people there are not needed actually. Economy is thriving and it will progress and the land will prosper under black communist rule. Gotcha...

 I laughed. 😂

[Thin Lizzy]

As soon as talk of land seizures started the economy, currency and food production took a dive.

Unemployment is now the highest in history and business confidence the lowest in decades.

Already the revenue service is saying they won't be able to make their targets.

The currency is also at near record lows.

Banks are also warning that land seizures could lead to financial collapse of banking institutions.

The Reserve Bank is also warning that it could heavily damage the economy and lead to increased currency weakness and inflation.

Markets are a consensus of what everybody thinks is going to happen.

Without property rights, there is no economic freedom, which is why the market responded in such a manner. Who would want to do business in such an environment?

[Griffith]

‘Whites steal everything in this country, people are not allowed to have dams and swimming pools in their homes, water in this country belongs to government, those who break the law will be fined’,

Water and Sanitation 'Minister'

https://newsupdatessa.site/south-africans-are-not-allowed-to-have-dams-and-swimming-pools-in-their-homes-water-in-this-country-belongs-to-government-those-who-break-the-law-will-be-fined-water-and-sanitation-minister/

[Conker]

considering it's an african country suffering from water shortages caused by the worst drought in a century, i would say it's quite sensible to ban people from filling up swimming pools and building illegal dams. no?

his language is probably slightly inflammatory but given the country's history, he does have a point. 

[MorganSA]

I do wonder though. will JZ be emptying his "Fire Pool", while the people of mKandla glare at him?

[Griffith]

Here's another gem from the 'police commissioner':

''White people brought crime to South Africa, they brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad''

General Kehla Sithole

http://newsupdatessa.site/white-people-brought-crime-to-south-africa-they-brought-things-they-know-we-would-be-tempted-to-steal-just-to-make-us-look-badgeneral-kehla-sithole/

[Thin Lizzy]

Here's another gem from the 'police commissioner':

''White people brought crime to South Africa, they brought things they know we would be tempted to steal, just to make us look bad''

General Kehla Sithole

http://newsupdatessa.site/white-people-brought-crime-to-south-africa-they-brought-things-they-know-we-would-be-tempted-to-steal-just-to-make-us-look-badgeneral-kehla-sithole/

The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.

[Kwon3]

The irony is that there are leftists professors throughout the United States who would agree with this.

and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell

[The Scott]

and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell

And that's just the women!

[Thin Lizzy]

and they all look the same
small bifocals that hang off the tip of the nose Charles Schumer-style
silver ponytail pulled back against a severely receding hairline
sandals or flip flops, depending on the time of year
scraggly gray beard
and Hawaiian shirts and cargo shorts or pants, sitting in their messy office with bagel crumbs all over their desk and unverified exam scores on their laptops
god I hate America's universities, let them burn in hell

In the TV show All in the Family, Meathead eventually went on to become a Professor. That was the case of art imitating life. The 60s rejects ended up seeking refuge in the Universities and we’re seeing the results.