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one of the greats

could have been the greatest HW if he had stuck with Rooney and not let drugs + partying mess him up

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 04:31:38 PM »
Born June 30, 1966, same day as me... Iron MIke, top 3 in history.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 05:15:26 PM »
No and No.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 05:16:48 PM »
one of the greats

could have been the greatest HW if he had stuck with Rooney and not let drugs + partying mess him up
That would be 32 years ago.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 05:33:14 PM »
Tyson
Foreman
Lewis
Holyfeild
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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 06:41:41 PM »
Anyone who doesn't have Ali and Joe Louis in the top two slots is most likely on the spectrum.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 06:48:45 PM »
Anyone who doesn't have Ali and Joe Louis in the top two slots is most likely on the spectrum.
Ali was terrible he ate punches to win fites
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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 07:48:30 PM »
Ali was terrible he ate punches to win fites

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2018, 07:51:21 PM »
one of the greats

could have been the greatest HW if he had stuck with Rooney and not let drugs + partying mess him up

Time flies, I didn't think it's been that long.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2018, 08:03:36 PM »
Time flies, I didn't think it's been that long.
It's actually been longer. It's actually been 32 years. Not 31. A lot of real intellectuals around here.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2018, 09:14:13 PM »
top 3 HW of all time

Holmes
Ali
Tyson

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2018, 09:18:14 PM »
top 3 HW of all time

Holmes
Ali
Tyson


I'm as big a Larry Holmes fan as you'll find.  In fact, I thought he beat Michael Spinks twice and should have retired 50-0.  I can certainly a case for his being 3rd but Mike Tyson is probably on the outside of the top ten.  Ali and Louis are no doubt 1 & 2.  The rest of the top ten you have some wiggle room. 

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Foreman
Holyfield
Frazier
Liston
Marciano
Wlad Klitchko

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2018, 12:02:17 AM »
here we go again ::)

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2018, 12:12:40 AM »
Ali was terrible he ate punches to win fites

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2018, 10:43:21 AM »
Lennox Lewis 4th?!?! You talk about Tyson beating no one, who did Lewis beat that was actually in their prime?
Holyfield 5 years past it
Tyson 13 years past it
Never fought Bowe and I don't care why or who or what, the fact is he never fought Bowe.
Vitali who wasn't yet at his peak was killing him

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2018, 03:13:05 PM »
agree with Darren Avey here

Lewis  was very overrated- the Tyson fight a shot , old Tyson who was may be 30% of prime Tyson gave prime Lewis all he could handle in the 1st round of their fight. Prime Tyson would have KO'd LEwis in under 6 rounds

never fought anybody decent in their prime
 
Lewis had a weak chin- bad one punch KO losses to McCall and Rahman

a fading Ray Mercer beat Lewis- that was such a robbery

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2018, 03:31:51 PM »
Tyson was definitely the most exciting heavy weight because of his one punch knockout ability but he can't be considered one of the best all time.  Too short, arms not long enough, lack of cardio to go the distance and lack of ability to avoid getting hit by the jab eliminate him from being close to the best. He was a bully who intimidated most of his opponents but when he fought big guys who could work the jab and weren't intimidated he was very average.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2018, 03:50:18 PM »
Totally agree with the above, would not have beaten any of the top 5 when in their prime. Foreman in his prime style and height would have annihilated him at his best, style makes fights. Still probably the best brawler with the most devastating power, just as a boxer he doesn't rate.



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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2018, 06:46:13 PM »
Every time a white man talks about boxing he pulls Rocky Marciano out of his ass.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2018, 09:05:19 PM »


a fading Ray Mercer beat Lewis- that was such a robbery
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?? mercer never beat Lewis.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2018, 09:21:55 PM »
Tyson was definitely the most exciting heavy weight because of his one punch knockout ability but he can't be considered one of the best all time.  Too short, arms not long enough, lack of cardio to go the distance and lack of ability to avoid getting hit by the jab eliminate him from being close to the best. He was a bully who intimidated most of his opponents but when he fought big guys who could work the jab and weren't intimidated he was very average.
im not sure what having “short arms” being too short  has too do with being considered one of the best of all time

Going on that logic I guess Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, jake lamota, etc etc were sub par fighters because they were short.

If we are talking about a PRIME mike Tyson his Cardio was more than sufficient in his PRIME (1980s) he went the distance several times and still had gas in the tank.

The being “hit” bye the jab comment is abit bizarre...the Jab never bothered him one little bit in his prime simply because he very rarely EVER got hit bye the jab (or anything else on a consistent basis) his defence was incredible in the 80s...

and that’s the the very thing most people don’t understand about him back then....it was his DEFENCE that set him apart from the top heavyweights of the era and for every punch the top fighters in the 80s would miss he’d hit them back twice as hard and fast...his foot speed and hand speed were incredible (in his prime)

A case can definitely be made about the bully angle but let’s not forget a lot of heavyweights did not fear him and still got knocked out, mikes moment of “truths” he came up short after Douglas showed the way but it’s amazing how everyone “jumped” ship on him when he started losing forgetting the fact he SINGLE handily Unified all 3 belts beating Berbick, Smith and a prime Tony tucker doing it and anilated Spinks, Bruno, Williams, etc.

After 1990 his regression was predictable...once that head movement stopped...he started catching punches his style was always based on hit...and not getting hit followed up with incredible hand speed and power, the closest thing too Tyson was Roy jones in the sense that in his prime...nobody could actually HIT HIM...and that’s what made those 2 so special...

but a lot of people don’t understand that...both of them were so good that when they actually started getting distracted, not taking the game seriously, or just flat out losing the desire too dedicate and train properly...they got hit...and when that happens consistently you’ll lose.

Everything is judged and rated after the facts and the final fact for Tyson is imo he will not be seriously considered in the top 10 all time greats because of those loses in key moments AFTER 1990...

but if we are talking about a absolutley Prime mike Tyson, the youth, defensive genius, hand speed, foot speed, power in both hands, right hand, left hook, uppercut and ruthless body shots....THAT Tyson imo was as great as ANY of the all time greats.

After 1990....well...pick a number how far down the list you’ll rate him.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2018, 11:27:23 PM »
Tyson = most overrated fighter of all time. If you knock Lewis for fighting guys past their prime, how could you defend Tyson? He fought tomato cans all the way up to his title shot, beat a journeyman paper champ to win the title, was fed a steady diet of stiffs and has-beens as champion and was soundly beaten up for ten rounds by a guy who beat no one else in his career BEFORE he went to prison. Then he self-destructed, came back and beat a few more tomato cans before running up against the one guy who wasn’t remotely intimidated by him. KO’d by Holyfield and Lewis. Best name wins vs a 45 year old fat Larry Holmes and an old 175lb champ Spinks who blew up to 205 and was too terrified to throw a punch.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2018, 12:29:26 AM »
im not sure what having “short arms” being too short  has too do with being considered one of the best of all time

Going on that logic I guess Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, jake lamota, etc etc were sub par fighters because they were short.

If we are talking about a PRIME mike Tyson his Cardio was more than sufficient in his PRIME (1980s) he went the distance several times and still had gas in the tank.

The being “hit” bye the jab comment is abit bizarre...the Jab never bothered him one little bit in his prime simply because he very rarely EVER got hit bye the jab (or anything else on a consistent basis) his defence was incredible in the 80s...

and that’s the the very thing most people don’t understand about him back then....it was his DEFENCE that set him apart from the top heavyweights of the era and for every punch the top fighters in the 80s would miss he’d hit them back twice as hard and fast...his foot speed and hand speed were incredible (in his prime)

A case can definitely be made about the bully angle but let’s not forget a lot of heavyweights did not fear him and still got knocked out, mikes moment of “truths” he came up short after Douglas showed the way but it’s amazing how everyone “jumped” ship on him when he started losing forgetting the fact he SINGLE handily Unified all 3 belts beating Berbick, Smith and a prime Tony tucker doing it and anilated Spinks, Bruno, Williams, etc.

After 1990 his regression was predictable...once that head movement stopped...he started catching punches his style was always based on hit...and not getting hit followed up with incredible hand speed and power, the closest thing too Tyson was Roy jones in the sense that in his prime...nobody could actually HIT HIM...and that’s what made those 2 so special...

but a lot of people don’t understand that...both of them were so good that when they actually started getting distracted, not taking the game seriously, or just flat out losing the desire too dedicate and train properly...they got hit...and when that happens consistently you’ll lose.

Everything is judged and rated after the facts and the final fact for Tyson is imo he will not be seriously considered in the top 10 all time greats because of those loses in key moments AFTER 1990...

but if we are talking about a absolutley Prime mike Tyson, the youth, defensive genius, hand speed, foot speed, power in both hands, right hand, left hook, uppercut and ruthless body shots....THAT Tyson imo was as great as ANY of the all time greats.

After 1990....well...pick a number how far down the list you’ll rate him.


Very Well summed up.
The comparison with Roy Jones spot on
When both were at their peak two of the very best boxers ever to enter a ring.

Likewise their spiral downwards how quickly it happened.

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2018, 01:44:30 AM »
Tyson = most overrated fighter of all time. If you knock Lewis for fighting guys past their prime, how could you defend Tyson? He fought tomato cans all the way up to his title shot, beat a journeyman paper champ to win the title, was fed a steady diet of stiffs and has-beens as champion and was soundly beaten up for ten rounds by a guy who beat no one else in his career BEFORE he went to prison. Then he self-destructed, came back and beat a few more tomato cans before running up against the one guy who wasn’t remotely intimidated by him. KO’d by Holyfield and Lewis. Best name wins vs a 45 year old fat Larry Holmes and an old 175lb champ Spinks who blew up to 205 and was too terrified to throw a punch.

If you re gonna talk at least talk about what you know. Holmes was 38 and still had a lot of fights ahead of him including giving prime Holyfield a good fight , Tyson smashed him in 4.
Pinklon Thomas was destroyed in 6 , Thomas was a very very good fighter with a lot of talent who would ve been the man if not for Tysons existence.
SPinks beat a peak Holmes.
Tucker, Smith, Bruno, all good fighters whod rule today.

Lewis lost to Mercer in any person WHO KNOW ABOUT BOXINGS EYES,
who else? Oh wow! Tommy Morrison in 6! The same Morrison who Mercer nearly killed in 1??!!
Lionel Butler! Frans Botha! Oh oh oh I know ZELJKO MAVORVIC! ::)

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Re: 31 years ago today Nov 22 1986, Mike Tyson becomes the youngest HW champ
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2018, 04:50:13 AM »
im not sure what having “short arms” being too short  has too do with being considered one of the best of all time

Going on that logic I guess Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, jake lamota, etc etc were sub par fighters because they were short.

If we are talking about a PRIME mike Tyson his Cardio was more than sufficient in his PRIME (1980s) he went the distance several times and still had gas in the tank.

The being “hit” bye the jab comment is abit bizarre...the Jab never bothered him one little bit in his prime simply because he very rarely EVER got hit bye the jab (or anything else on a consistent basis) his defence was incredible in the 80s...

and that’s the the very thing most people don’t understand about him back then....it was his DEFENCE that set him apart from the top heavyweights of the era and for every punch the top fighters in the 80s would miss he’d hit them back twice as hard and fast...his foot speed and hand speed were incredible (in his prime)

A case can definitely be made about the bully angle but let’s not forget a lot of heavyweights did not fear him and still got knocked out, mikes moment of “truths” he came up short after Douglas showed the way but it’s amazing how everyone “jumped” ship on him when he started losing forgetting the fact he SINGLE handily Unified all 3 belts beating Berbick, Smith and a prime Tony tucker doing it and anilated Spinks, Bruno, Williams, etc.

After 1990 his regression was predictable...once that head movement stopped...he started catching punches his style was always based on hit...and not getting hit followed up with incredible hand speed and power, the closest thing too Tyson was Roy jones in the sense that in his prime...nobody could actually HIT HIM...and that’s what made those 2 so special...

but a lot of people don’t understand that...both of them were so good that when they actually started getting distracted, not taking the game seriously, or just flat out losing the desire too dedicate and train properly...they got hit...and when that happens consistently you’ll lose.

Everything is judged and rated after the facts and the final fact for Tyson is imo he will not be seriously considered in the top 10 all time greats because of those loses in key moments AFTER 1990...

but if we are talking about a absolutley Prime mike Tyson, the youth, defensive genius, hand speed, foot speed, power in both hands, right hand, left hook, uppercut and ruthless body shots....THAT Tyson imo was as great as ANY of the all time greats.

After 1990....well...pick a number how far down the list you’ll rate him.
Tyson went the distance with bums like Mitch Green.  The jab from tall fighters like Buster Douglas and Lennox Lewis were Tyson's Krytonite.  His defense against bums was awesome in the mid '80's I agree.  A prime Tony Tucker, are you serious?  Larry Holmes as an old man.  Berbeck and "Bone Crusher" Smith along with tiny little Spinks were great exciting fights to see mediocre fighters get knocked out.

If Tyson fought a decade earlier against a prime Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Liston, etc, he would have had serious problems.  Even a prime Gerry Cooney would have given him fits.  The mid 80's was very weak for heavyweight boxers so he came around at the perfect time.  Not trying to shit on Tyson as he was my favorite boxer growing up but even he has admitted he was not close to the best of all time in interviews.  The fact that he is honest and humble makes me respect him even more.