History repeats itself. Innocent people will die.

[pellius]

Bankers make LOTS of money from war and couldn't care a less about all the people that die, it's part of the game.  They steal an entire countries wealth in the process... whether it be oil, gold, diamonds, poppies, water, other natural resources, etc.  Then they install a central bank and control the currency.  Control/create the currency and you control everything/everyone. 

Please just go away. You're just another conspiracy kook that knows nothing about the real world.

[pellius]

The elites want a perpetual war in the Middle East that wastes all of our tax dollars and you’re complaining we’re leaving? You go and fight there you fucking dried out old sun baked pedophile.

We have an all-volunteer army. That "why don't you go there" is such a lame and sophomoric argument. I have a brother, a cousin and a nephew overseas defending your right to sit your fat ass down in unprecedented comfort and anonymously insult people over the internet.

[pellius]

Not our problem and I really don't care about turd world cesspools.  Fuck 'em.

You have made it abundantly clear throughout your years on this board that you really don't care about other people. Only people that you can profit from. The suffering and death of others, including innocent children, and doing good in this world, is meaningless to you. There are a lot of people like you. You haven't gotten through life without the help of others. Even complete strangers.

When you are on your death bed and look back on your life and the kind of person you were ... well, may God have mercy on your soul.

[pellius]

Do us all a favor and go fuck your mother some more.  You fucking cucking libtard.   What a pathetic shitass you are. I would guess that in the real world your only "friends" are your collection of Sesame Street Sock Puppets.

Like others of your kind, you deserve Somalia.

Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.

Do you have children?

[oldtimer1]

There are only 2000 American Troops in Syria. It's a drop in the bucket. No they are not playing policemen there. They were killing ISIS and keeping the Russians from taking the ports. There has to be an end game. Syria has about 5 different entities fighting in all different directions. Assad was a brutal dictator but there was relative peace in the country. Striving cities and no war. Assad is out and what do you have? Complete chaos. You have Russians, Assad Troops, the resistance, Kurds, Iranians, ISIS and Turks fighting in every direction over ruble. Russia clear intention is control of the ports.

Trump said many years before even running for office that we shouldn't attempt to be the world's police in these Muslim hell holes. My words not his. In Iraq we would blow up a bridge only to pay money to rebuild it. When the Iraq Army was the largest in the region we took action and wiped out their military. We should have taken off and left the country Instead we attempted to rebuild it thinking a western Democracy would strive. Nope, that's not going to happen in a Muslim country.

ISIS came into power after Obama flooded Syria with 500 million in arms and vehicles hoping the resistance would arm them self and fight Troops loyal to Assad. Nope, the arms ended up in ISIS hands. Obama's People said the 500 million was for training the resistance to fight Assad. No again. It was military hardware.

These third world Muslim countries can't be fixed through politics or war. When necessary they should be beaten and then left to rebuild their own country. Force is the only thing they respect. Taking 2000 Troops in Syria isn't going to change anything. They are not cops. My prediction is that Russia might be encouraged and assist Assad to get back in power.

The biggest thread in the region is not ISIS. Their numbers have been decimated. The biggest threat is Iran.  They want to rule the middle east and see taking over Syria and their oil as the first step.

[pellius]

There are only 2000 American Troops in Syria. It's a drop in the bucket. No they are not playing policemen there. They were killing ISIS an keeping the Russians from taking the ports. There has to be an end game. Syria has about 5 different entities fighting in all different directions. Assad was a brutal dictator but there was relative peace in the country. Striving cities and no war. Assad is out and what do you have? Complete chaos. You have Russians, Assad Troops, the resistance, Kurds, Iranians, ISIS and Turks fighting in every direction over ruble. Russia clear intention is control of the ports.

Trump said many years before even running for office that we shouldn't attempt to be the world's police in these Muslim hell holes. My words not his. In Iraq we would blow up a bridge only to pay money to rebuild it. When the Iraq Army was the largest in the region we took action and wiped out their military. We should have taken off and left the country Instead we attempted to rebuild it thinking a western Democracy would strive. Nope, that's not going to happen in a Muslim country.

ISIS came into power after Obama flooded Syria with 500 million in arms and vehicles hoping the resistance would arm them self and fight Troops loyal to Assad. Nope, the arms ended up in ISIS hands. Obama's People said the 500 million was for training the resistance to fight Assad. No again. It was military hardware.

These third world Muslim countries can't be fixed through politics or war. When necessary they should be beaten and then left to rebuild their own country. Force is the only thing they respect. Taking 2000 Troops in Syria isn't going to change anything. They are not cops. My prediction is that Russia might be encouraged and assist Assad to get back in power.

The biggest thread in the region is not ISIS. Their numbers have been decimated. The biggest threat is Iran.  They want to rule the middle east and see taking over Syria is their oil as the first step.

Now, this is how you debate. Very good points. Someone who actually thinks things through and has paid attention over the years. No personal insults but just a pointed and cohesive well thought through argument.

Iran is our biggest enemy right now (though China is the greater threat overall) and this will embolden them. What do you think will happen after we leave?

[SOMEPARTS]

This is why we should never fight militarily with any intention other than to win. What a huge waste of money to be the world police for the world banking system, only using force to destabilize and control others for the sake of those monied interests.

[SF1900]

Do us all a favor and go fuck your mother some more.  You fucking cucking libtard.   What a pathetic shitass you are. I would guess that in the real world your only "friends" are your collection of Sesame Street Sock Puppets.

Like others of your kind, you deserve Somalia.

Lol

[Marty Champions]

Why do the neeguls war ? Is there space of land left in paradise to make food and hookuop wit 18 yea old fineasshoes?

Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement. My sister-in-law has bullet holes in her right arm and leg and watched her eight-year-old brother head explode from a Commie bullet as they were crossing the Mekong River to escape the Communist.

Do you remember what happened after we left Iraq? ISIS. An obscure group of Muslim Terrorist that became a worldwide force.

During a press conference with Tony Blair and President Bush, a journalist asked how long are we going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Tony Blair started hemming and hawing going through various conditions and scenarios. Bush stepped up and interrupted and said, "As long as it takes." He stared down the rest of the press corp and repeated, "As long as it takes."

How long have we been in Germany? Korea? South America? The Middle East? Evil doesn't just go away. It requires eternal vigilance.

If not use then whom? If America steps down as the world leader and the greatest force for peace and Democracy who do you think will take over? Russia? China?

[Marty Champions]

Lol

Good avatar of cooch

[The Scott]

Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.

Do you have children?

Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser. 

My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you.  This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron.  Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then.  Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.

[AbrahamG]

Now, this is how you debate. Very good points. Someone who actually thinks things through and has paid attention over the years. No personal insults but just a pointed and cohesive well thought through argument.

Iran is our biggest enemy right now (though China is the greater threat overall) and this will embolden them. What do you think will happen after we leave?

I would rather see us make peace with Iran than continue on this romance with the house of Saud.  

[The Scott]

You have made it abundantly clear throughout your years on this board that you really don't care about other people. Only people that you can profit from. The suffering and death of others, including innocent children, and doing good in this world, is meaningless to you. There are a lot of people like you. You haven't gotten through life without the help of others. Even complete strangers.

When you are on your death bed and look back on your life and the kind of person you were ... well, may God have mercy on your soul.

Easy there Quai Chang-gang-bang, there is no God, but lordy you are one insufferable idiot.  As previously stated, I hope more volcanoes fuck good ol' liberal Hawaii up and then you can see just how many of your turd-worlders come to help you out.

Shit.  You need to go find the shallow end of gene pool and hang with SF and Genova.    What a pathetic cuckold you are.  

[Pray_4_War]

With Russia and Iran having more control in the region it is our business.

We are supposed to stand by our allies. The Kurds have been and ally in the fight against the Islamic militant group and one of the most effective fighters against ISIS.

Building and making other pro-American nations strong makes us strong. That's why we fought Communist expansion.

It's not over any more than Iraq was over when we pulled out.

It's curious that those not in the military, not involved in the fighting want to retreat. The majority in the military, and certainly the military leaders, think otherwise.

Nation building is a mistake and fighting communism in Vietnam was a mistake.  It just creates endless unwinnable wars that drain us of our soldiers and our money.  It's not worth it.  We are not the world police.  If we want to defeat people like Russia the best thing to do is get our financial house in order.  All we are doing in the middle east right now is playing with our dicks and smoking hajis for sport.  There is no end game, there is virtually no benefit to the United States.  There can be no decisive victory in a war like this.   Only a costly permanent war.  It's enough already.  Let the hajis live in their mud huts and wipe their asses with their hands.  The best way we can protect ourselves is to keep them the fuck out of the United States.

[anabolicguru]

Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser. 

My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you.  This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron.  Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then.  Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.

So basically your only defense is "shut up queer".   LOL what an idiot you sound, reading your post just makes me feel more retarded for having read it lol

[2ND COMING]

The best move Trump has made in office as of yet.

I don't take it for granted either. It took balls and probably < 5 people knew of it. Well planned.

[pellius]

Sez the man who was the facial inspiration for the Sock Monkey Pez Dispenser. 

My words were directed at the creature known here as SF1900, not you.  This post is directed at you for being such a miserable fucking moron.  Here's to more volcanoes in Hawaii then.  Let's see how many of your turd-world peeps come to your aid.

Wow, a post where you didn't use the word "cuck".

Any objective person can read my posts and compare them to yours and easily determine who goes through each day in abject misery.

But don't worry, I'm usually am up for a good forum battle but with you, I've already won because you're you and I'm me.

[pellius]

Nation building is a mistake and fighting communism in Vietnam was a mistake.  It just creates endless unwinnable wars that drain us of our soldiers and our money.  It's not worth it.  We are not the world police.  If we want to defeat people like Russia the best thing to do is get our financial house in order.  All we are doing in the middle east right now is playing with our dicks and smoking hajis for sport.  There is no end game, there is virtually no benefit to the United States.  There can be no decisive victory in a war like this.   Only a costly permanent war.  It's enough already.  Let the hajis live in their mud huts and wipe their asses with their hands.  The best way we can protect ourselves is to keep them the fuck out of the United States.

Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.

We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.

We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted.  Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.

[Griffith]

With Russia and Iran having more control in the region it is our business.

We are supposed to stand by our allies. The Kurds have been and ally in the fight against the Islamic militant group and one of the most effective fighters against ISIS.

Building and making other pro-American nations strong makes us strong. That's why we fought Communist expansion.

It's not over any more than Iraq was over when we pulled out.

It's curious that those not in the military, not involved in the fighting want to retreat. The majority in the military, and certainly the military leaders, think otherwise.

The United States have a habit of abandoning allies.

In South Vietnam, they abandoned their allies who they knew would be overrun.

And look at the World Wars, in both of them they came in late, after all sides had been fighting for years.

[Conker]

pedolust, your views on world affairs are childlike. you really believe that US involvement in the middle east is/was some sort  of peace keeping mission. iraq  was invaded on the back of a false accusation of WMDs. independent estimates state that anywhere between a couple hundred thousand and a million + iraqi civilians perished due to that invasion, with millions more displaced.

the country spiralled into sectarian chaos the moment saddam was deposed. US troops left because the country became so unsafe and the american public were getting antsy with the rising death toll.

syria was targeted because it was iran's strongest ally in the region. as per my last post, the US encouraged and supported the rise of ISIS in syria becuase they were by far assad's strongest opponent. the US fight against ISIS was fake. with all it's military might it couldn't make a dent in ISIS in years of bombing? Yet within a year of russia joining the fray ISIS was all but decimated.

you are so conditioned and brainwashed. i'll bet you believe the US colonisation and subjugation of your own aboriginal hawaiin people was a humanitarian crusade to bring civilisation to your shores. you're so lost pedolust.

and someone needs to direct that child's parents your pictured with, to your post on here re allowing a 13 year old child to "practically strip" in front of you when you were a fully grown adult. sick bstard.

[Pray_4_War]

Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.

We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.

We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted.  Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.

Unwinnable.

We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years.  If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up.  All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago.  It doesn't work and the price is too steep.

You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue.  I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.

There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world.  We can't save them all.  We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do.  We need to pick our Wars more carefully.

[Matt]

We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.

Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.

I just don't get it.

General James Mattis C just announced his retirement.

Fixed.

Hm...I think the anti-war left completely disappeared with Obama's first election.

I don't think of war as being a particularly one-sided issue.  Obviously the Republicans are more in bed with Israel, but it's more or less a bipartisan matter, IMO.  Our great leader Ron wants the best for his people, and won't vote Democrat because of that - and I respect that.  I don't think too many people would be happy seeing their homeland thrown under the bus [although perhaps Ron's political views have shifted since I spoke to him last on the matter].

Here is the great leader of the people of our great leader, Ron Avidan.    Such a mysterious family:

[Pray_4_War]

Also, I don't understand your USSR reference.  We defeated them economically, not militarily.  They collapsed under the weight of their own idiotic system.....as communist states often do.

As they say,  "when your enemy is making a huge mistake............let them".

[Matt]

Unwinnable.

We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years.  If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up.  All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago.  It doesn't work and the price is too steep.

You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue.  I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.

There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world.  We can't save them all.  We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do.  We need to pick our Wars more carefully.

Great post.

I think pellius is right about the USA doing the right thing to crush communism.

At its height, communism entrapped the lives of one billion people.

As I see it...someone is going to be the world police...right?

So as a White guy living in Canada, I'm happy the USA is that power.  Do I think another nation or group will be more fair with that much power?  Not that I can tell.

I think we take a lot of things for granted...although your point about not being able to afford this military presence is valid.

Also, I don't understand your USSR reference.  We defeated them economically, not militarily.  They collapsed under the weight of their own idiotic system.....as communist states often do.

As they say,  "when your enemy is making a huge mistake............let them".

Haha, yeah.  Communism sucks.  It was a system on life support from day one.

[Pray_4_War]

We are hemorrhaging billions or even trillions in the middle east and Democrats are trying tell people that we can't afford 5 billion to build a wall on our own border.

Fuck.  That.  Shit.