Boosting test after 40

[myt1]

My urologist reduced me to 1/2 ml. I balked at this, but I am doing fine. 1 - 1 1/2 mil was better though. Damn PSA.

Geez, that's it?  I'm on 1.5 mls (300mgs) of Test E weekly.  This is new, and he's conservative so I don't know how long I'll get to stay there.  When I convinced him a couple months ago, he said "1200 is as high as I'm comfortable with, or you need to find a new dr."  Hopefully, I'm right there bcuz all my other health issues aside...I feel better than any time in the 15 years or so that I've been on and off HRT.  I'm finally committed to doing it for life even though it is a pain in the ass to do weekly.

[Coach is Back!]

Geez, that's it?  I'm on 1.5 mls (300mgs) of Test E weekly.  This is new, and he's conservative so I don't know how long I'll get to stay there.  When I convinced him a couple months ago, he said "1200 is as high as I'm comfortable with, or you need to find a new dr."  Hopefully, I'm right there bcuz all my other health issues aside...I feel better than any time in the 15 years or so that I've been on and off HRT.  I'm finally committed to doing it for life even though it is a pain in the ass to do weekly.

300mgs of Test E seems a little excessive for HRT. I’m not against it but just seems out of the ordinary for a Dr. to prescribe that much. Especially E.

[The Italian Lifter]

That probably isnt the question you need to ask.

Why do you want to increase your test levels?  Mood? Sex drive? Energy?

Exercise improves general feeling however it also wears you down.

Sleep quality fucks you up more than people realise and impacts hormones and how you feel.

Tell us what is bothering you and then we can pin point what might help because i can say right now, squats wont change anything in the overall picture.

First of all thanks to the guys who gave me an answer and their opinion. Even the funny ones were fine.

To answer your question MAYDAY: I wish I can increase my test levels because obviously-even being a lifetime natty-when I was 20-25 yo the results of training were much much better.
Now after more than a year off training due to a frozen shoulder, response to the work in the gym seems to be very very slow and hopeless.

[The Italian Lifter]

At 45 you need testosterone replacement therapy? What the hell is going on with guys. You should be full of test at that age unless you have been juicing. 

Well OLDTIMER, I'm no scientist but even if my health is excellent and I feel great, honestly I'm pretty sure my test levels aren't the ones of 20 years ago.
It sucks since months of training produce very little results.
I know that being natty doesn't help but years ago the situation was much better.

[The Italian Lifter]

So in the end you believe 12/15 sets of squat is not useful at all in giving a little boost to my test? [Strict reps, no cheating, no ego lifting, but very intense]

Am I wrong in remembering this type of suggestion from old mags I used to read?

[galain]

First of all thanks to the guys who gave me an answer and their opinion. Even the funny ones were fine.

 I wish I can increase my test levels because obviously-even being a lifetime natty-when I was 20-25 yo the results of training were much much better.
Now after more than a year off training due to a frozen shoulder, response to the work in the gym seems to be very very slow and hopeless.

I'm in the same boat as you, friend. I think most helpful is learning to accept that shit just declines. I'm working as hard as I ever did but I'm still losing mass - feels like I'm rowing a boat upstream and the current is just getting stronger each year. 20 rep squats might be worth trying but I find it increasingly easy to get injured these days. Squats are off the menu for me now since I just can't seem to manage them anymore without hurting my back.

I've tried tribulus in reasonably high doses. Psychologically I felt it did me some good, but in the gym the results were so small it wasn't worth it. Creatine had twice the effect.

I've tried to speak to doctors here in Germany about TRT but they're dead against it. They won't even refer me to colleagues who don't share their biases - they just start quoting stats at me for increased risks of heart disease/attack, prostatic enlargement etc.....(German doctors are much more arrogant than medicos I've known elsewhere).

I used to be of the mindset that if I was getting results from certain exercises there was no need to change. I had the same routine for decades pretty much. These days I find it helps to change things up a lot, and I'll do a lot more giant sets, and generally higher reps with lower weight.

Age gets us all mate. If you want to avoid the chemicals I think you'll just have to accept that doing anything in the gym is good enough but you're not going to be what you were when you were younger....

[Griffith]

Geez, that's it?  I'm on 1.5 mls (300mgs) of Test E weekly.  This is new, and he's conservative so I don't know how long I'll get to stay there.  When I convinced him a couple months ago, he said "1200 is as high as I'm comfortable with, or you need to find a new dr."  Hopefully, I'm right there bcuz all my other health issues aside...I feel better than any time in the 15 years or so that I've been on and off HRT.  I'm finally committed to doing it for life even though it is a pain in the ass to do weekly.

Notice any sides from that dose?

[Powerlift66]

75 mg. to 100 mg. is perfect for me, went on 2 years ago when I hit age 50. Life-changing for those who need it.
I dont think there's any good natty ways to boost test. You will get small bursts with certain training, or libido boost w/ certain herbs, but nothing sustainable and evenly leveled off.

Except for TRT.

[hipolito mejia]

For those taking Tribullus , isn't that toxic to kidneys ?

[Marty Champions]

Well OLDTIMER, I'm no scientist but even if my health is excellent and I feel great, honestly I'm pretty sure my test levels aren't the ones of 20 years ago.
It sucks since months of training produce very little results.
I know that being natty doesn't help but years ago the situation was much better.

what do u wish to gain ? More wang, hornier ,more reps, leaner?

[The Italian Lifter]

what do u wish to gain ? More wang, hornier ,more reps, leaner?

Hi JF, I would happily settle for a little more mass and not so much bf

[IroNat]

Hi JF, I would happily settle for a little more mass and not so much bf

Eat less.

[The Italian Lifter]

I do see your point, and I'm already doing it since last October, but at this age progress is slow, very slow.
Also recovery after heavy sessions takes literally ages

[Dokey111]

It sucks.  I know.

[Mr Anabolic]

I do see your point, and I'm already doing it since last October, but at this age progress is slow, very slow.
Also recovery after heavy sessions takes literally ages

I'm still natty here, will be 53 in May.  35 years of training.  I was going strong up until about age 47, that's when things started to change.  I've recently been relegated to working out to every 3nd day.  My joints ache a lot more and it takes longer to recover from hard workouts.  Heavy benching and squatting is a thing of the past.  It sucks, but I'm determined to avoid the TRT route as long as possible.

[deadz]

Been on one gram of TE since the end of August. Had labs done in November and everything was in range. Nothing wrong with hrt, 150mg a week. Any old guy who isn’t using hrt is dumb!

[Coach is Back!]

Goes right back to my point from yesterday

[IroNat]

"Eat more eggs." -- Vince Gironda

[The Italian Lifter]

Been on one gram of TE since the end of August. Had labs done in November and everything was in range. Nothing wrong with hrt, 150mg a week. Any old guy who isn’t using hrt is dumb!

Any side effects? Both physically and psychological?

[deadz]

Any side effects? Both physically and psychological?

Less patient, wanna fuck anything with ass and titties. Otherwise I feel good.

[Zillotch]

youth retainment protocol:

50-150mg dhea daily

+

5 - 10mg anavar 5 days a week (weekends off) as desired

[Primemuscle]

Geez, that's it?  I'm on 1.5 mls (300mgs) of Test E weekly.  This is new, and he's conservative so I don't know how long I'll get to stay there.  When I convinced him a couple months ago, he said "1200 is as high as I'm comfortable with, or you need to find a new dr."  Hopefully, I'm right there bcuz all my other health issues aside...I feel better than any time in the 15 years or so that I've been on and off HRT.  I'm finally committed to doing it for life even though it is a pain in the ass to do weekly.

I had prostate cancer. My doctor is just being cautious. Although my PSA is still considered undetectable, it did go up a little which is when he lowered my dosage. He also didn't like that my total testosterone was over 1,000. I feel best when I'm injecting 1 mil a week. Since he lowered the dose, my energy levels have dropped. At my next appointment, I'm going to lobby for an increased dose.

[Primemuscle]

what do u wish to gain ? More wang, hornier ,more reps, leaner?

All of the above.

[Primemuscle]

youth retainment protocol:

50-150mg dhea daily

+

5 - 10mg anavar 5 days a week (weekends off) as desired

DHEA has been part of my daily routine for years.

[myt1]

300mgs of Test E seems a little excessive for HRT. I’m not against it but just seems out of the ordinary for a Dr. to prescribe that much. Especially E.

I understand Coach.  I've been on and off legit HRT from a G.P. or Int. Med Dr. for about 15 years now, so a lot has gone into this.

My initial Dr. and I played around with things a lot.  I've always preferred Enanthate to Cyp, as Cyp was my first cycle and I held water so much that when my bosses at the gym I worked at noticed that my cheeks explained my sudden increase in strength, picked a day when I was coming into work and greeted me by singing "Puff the Magic Dragon"  Also, cyp has benz in it, and Enanthate doesn't.  0 injection sting/pain with E.

I am very honest with my Drs., and told the first Dr. that I noticed when I used E for bbing purposes if I missed/didn't want a shot one week around day 10 I'd start crashing.  I didn't want to come in weekly for shots (he wouldn't allow it otherwise), and I didn't want to do e.o.w. to avoid the crash.  We settled on 1.75 mls every 10 days, and I'd test around 900ngs.

Fast forward to new Dr.  We started doing 200mgs every week, and then my co-pay doubled so I gave 400mgs e.o.w. a try.  Got bloodwork done in December, and was around 650 vs. 970ish IIRC doing weekly.  This year my co-pay went down 75%. In reviewing my labs in Dec. I told my Dr. 650 was not acceptable, and that I could handle paying for weekly shots again.  I brought a bunch of studies and info I found online, and explained to him that while 970 total T or so might seem great for most people, someone like me that was used to doing 500-750mgs a week was not going to get the same good feelings/benefits.  I explained it as "used to feel like a race car, now I feel like a Pinto".  I showed him that 1500ngs is considered truly supra, and he then for some reason wrote down "1200-1500" on paper in front of me.  That's when he circled 1200 and told me that was as high as he was comfortable with, and my option if I wanted to go above that (find another Dr. which I don't wanna do).  We'll see in a few weeks when I get blood drawn where I'm at with the 1.5 mls?