Boosting test after 40

[Blockhead]

Wow!  

Block,
Since you've made the decision to use, and understand things; why haven't you found a new Dr.?

I'm also rather shocked your dr. has you come off.  Most drs. would be opposed to that, and likely accuse you of using it for bbing cycles if the patient suggested that IME.

Haha. He knows why we use it. He also feels coming off is a good idea in short spurts. Has to do with
general labs (cholesterol, hematocrit etc..)

Too bad I’m not “pre anemic”. He would have prescribed me Var or Drol.

 - Block!

[simon]

10mg-12mg daily (cypionate) via insulin syringe either IM or SubQ.  No H/H elevation. No BP elevation.  No estradiol elevation so no need for an AI which are bad news.  10-12mg will put most in the 600-800 range.  In range test levels are far more healthy the low levels at any age.  It also comes down to quality of life.  Unfortunately many men that would benefit from TRT therapy are placed on anti-depressants instead by uninformed general practitioners.  On the flip side most middle aged men are far to unhealthy via their diet and lifestyle in general to even begin therapy ie. lipid levels, bp, etc.

[The RedMeatKid]

Tribulus
Fenugreek
D- Aspartic Acid
Longjack
ZMA

All of these work to boost test naturally without all those nasty side effects.

[Primemuscle]

Prime get your %free testosterone, and your estrogen levels tested.  If your total test is over 1000, and your %free test is 2.5-3 I'd agree with your dr. keeping you there based on your age IMO.  The "ideal" range for estrogen in males that labs use is crazy in regards to how high is acceptable.  If results are over 35 you need anastrozole.  See my other post about elevated estrogen levels regarding both CV issues and prostate cancer.  Optimal is 20-30...my opinion based on what I've read.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll definitely talk to my doctor about this during my next appointment. On my own, I added 1 mg. anastrozole every Wednesday and 250 iu injection of HGC on Saturday and again on Sunday. I do the test cyp shot on Mondays.

[myt1]

10mg-12mg daily (cypionate) via insulin syringe either IM or SubQ.  No H/H elevation. No BP elevation.  No estradiol elevation so no need for an AI which are bad news.  10-12mg will put most in the 600-800 range.  In range test levels are far more healthy the low levels at any age.  It also comes down to quality of life.  Unfortunately many men that would benefit from TRT therapy are placed on anti-depressants instead by uninformed general practitioners.  On the flip side most middle aged men are far to unhealthy via their diet and lifestyle in general to even begin therapy ie. lipid levels, bp, etc.

FUCK THAT NOISE!!!

[myt1]

Is it healthy for a 50 year old to have the test levels of a 20 year old?

Honestly HN,

My biggest regrets when it comes to AAS is that I only had 3yrs of training under my belt, and did my first cycle at only 19.  Not only did I miss out on reaching my natural potential, as I was still progressing without, (I know our views on that window differ), but I will never know what my real 20-25yr old natural test levels were as I never had them tested b4 my first cycle.  That means while on TRT, the only thing I have to go off of regarding how I should feel based on being 25-30, is comparing it to the time in my life when I was sauced up the most.

To directly answer your question is impossible though.  I will say this however, I know a lot more guys that are in good spirits, energetic, working out regularly, getting ass, have decent to great physiques, and appear healthy; that are on TRT than I do those who aren't on it at 50.  Hell, truth is most males only 35+ look, and feel like shit in this country.

[Humble Narcissist]

Honestly HN,

My biggest regrets when it comes to AAS is that I only had 3yrs of training under my belt, and did my first cycle at only 19.  Not only did I miss out on reaching my natural potential, as I was still progressing without, (I know our views on that window differ), but I will never know what my real 20-25yr old natural test levels were as I never had them tested b4 my first cycle.  That means while on TRT, the only thing I have to go off of regarding how I should feel based on being 25-30, is comparing it to the time in my life when I was sauced up the most.

To directly answer your question is impossible though.  I will say this however, I know a lot more guys that are in good spirits, energetic, working out regularly, getting ass, have decent to great physiques, and appear healthy; that are on TRT than I do those who aren't on it at 50.  Hell, truth is most males only 35+ look, and feel like shit in this country.

Yeah, most guys 35+ look and feel like shit and most do no exercise at all.  We will see in the next 10 years how everyone on TRT ends up health wise.  I may go on someday but I'd like to hold out as long as I can as it's a lifetime decision.

[IroNat]

Being dependent of drugs is not smart.

If you have a genuine medical condition this does not apply.

Most do not and are just stroking their ego.

But I respect people's right to f*ck thenselves up.

[Primemuscle]

Being dependent of drugs is not smart.

If you have a genuine medical condition this does not apply.

Most do not and are just stroking their ego.

But I respect people's right to f*ck thenselves up.

Whether or not to consider TRT should be based on your labs. If you testosterone is well below normal, TRT can help regulate it as long as you don't have negative sides. However, even if you bring your testosterone up to what it was at your peak, don't expect it to make you feel like your eighteen again. It is not a panacea for everything you think is wrong about your health.

[Schnauzer]

The formula for how many reps of breathing squats to boost test is:

Nreps = 5.32*ln(Age/12)

where Age is your age in months.  You can apply an asymmetric t-distribution to get the rep range.

Thanks and good luck.

This is incorrect. Age should be in years, hence why it is divided by 12.

[The Italian Lifter]

Your own nuts will shut down permanently and since 40 year old men only extremely rarely need TRT this is not a good move.

You mean-IRONAT-that if someone is following HRT for some time the natural test production will go to zero?
And if so, is it a process that can be reversed?
Any direct experiences?
Sorry if mine is a stupid question.

[falco]

You mean-IRONAT-that if someone is following HRT for some time the natural test production will go to zero?
And if so, is it a process that can be reversed?
Any direct experiences?
Sorry if mine is a stupid question.

Yep. And your Peter North days will be also over.

[Griffith]

Yep. And your Peter North days will be also over.

Or it would take many years to recover at least?

[Mr Anabolic]

Or it would take many years to recover at least?

The older you are, the longer the recovery.  Also, you may never recover.

I would not take TRT unless it was absolutely necessary because you have to stay on it until you die.

[IroNat]

No personal experience.

"Behold my rod oh Israel!"

 

[The Italian Lifter]

The older you are, the longer the recovery.  Also, you may never recover.

I would not take TRT unless it was absolutely necessary because you have to stay on it until you die.

I know it may sound retarded but honestly I didn't know about this.
It seems to be a bit of a problem, I mean, a really huge one.
So maybe the right choice is to wait as much as possible before going on I guess.
Pity because I wanted to start and talk to my doc about it

[Vince B]

I know it may sound retarded but honestly I didn't know about this.
It seems to be a bit of a problem, I mean, a really huge one.
So maybe the right choice is to wait as much as possible before going on I guess.
Pity because I wanted to start and talk to my doc about it

Getbig isn't the place to ask for advice about testosterone and TRT. Why? Too many here use drugs...it is a drug culture. So when most get older they won't hesitate to get pharmaceutical help.

What I do is embark on a long term program to keep some muscles on my body growing. Hard work but worthwhile if successful. Plus it is a boost for the ego to have big arms, etc.

I make it a point never to waste a mirror! 

Too many here are looking for shortcuts. There are always risks when you put foreign substances into your bloodstream.

[Dokey111]

Getbig isn't the place to ask for advice about testosterone and TRT. Why? Too many here use drugs...it is a drug culture. So when most get older they won't hesitate to get pharmaceutical help.

What I do is embark on a long term program to keep some muscles on my body growing. Hard work but worthwhile if successful. Plus it is a boost for the ego to have big arms, etc.

I make it a point never to waste a mirror! 

Too many here are looking for shortcuts. There are always risks when you put foreign substances into your bloodstream.

Your lucky Vince, I don't look in mirrors as much any more (but I look better than you  )

[Vince B]

Your lucky Vince, I don't look in mirrors as much any more (but I look better than you  )

I like to observe other people. When I was training at Golds Gym in October 1968 I noticed that Joe always looked at himself in the mirror as he passed one.

I trained there for a month. Arnold arrived there during this time. Joe was very generous. He asked how long I would be in Venice and I said a few weeks.

He never charged me. I offered to do some work there but he said it was okay.

I made it a point not to look in the mirror so much after that. While training that is different. Just a saying I used in my gym, "Conserve.....Never waste a mirror!"

[dseiler]

I'm still natty here, will be 53 in May.  35 years of training.  I was going strong up until about age 47, that's when things started to change.  I've recently been relegated to working out to every 3nd day.  My joints ache a lot more and it takes longer to recover from hard workouts.  Heavy benching and squatting is a thing of the past.  It sucks, but I'm determined to avoid the TRT route as long as possible.

Look into body tempering. It's great for recovery.

[The Italian Lifter]

Getbig isn't the place to ask for advice about testosterone and TRT. Why? Too many here use drugs...it is a drug culture. So when most get older they won't hesitate to get pharmaceutical help.

I have to disagree here Mr. Basile. I found many interesting answers and appreciate all of them, from the experts to less competent ones everybody shared their views on the subject.
And of course I also thank you for speaking your mind

[Primemuscle]

The older you are, the longer the recovery.  Also, you may never recover.

I would not take TRT unless it was absolutely necessary because you have to stay on it until you die.

That is a fallacy.

[Griffith]

That is a fallacy.

Please elaborate.

[IRON CROSS]

Tribulus
Fenugreek
D- Aspartic Acid
Longjack
ZMA

All of these work to boost test naturally without all those nasty side effects.

Vitamin industry BS, get Sustanon 250 & save money ......................

[myt1]

Getbig isn't the place to ask for advice about testosterone and TRT. Why? Too many here use drugs...it is a drug culture. So when most get older they won't hesitate to get pharmaceutical help.

What I do is embark on a long term program to keep some muscles on my body growing. Hard work but worthwhile if successful. Plus it is a boost for the ego to have big arms, etc.

I make it a point never to waste a mirror! 

Too many here are looking for shortcuts. There are always risks when you put foreign substances into your bloodstream.

Just because what you see in the mirror, and what tape measurement to you confirms that you have big arms, does not mean you have great, good, or even decent arms.

You've been around long enough that you should know better.  Age is messin with your head and eyes sir.