Born Alive Protection Act fails to pass - Discuss

[Twaddle]

Coach,

Hypothetical question for you.  If an American woman is raped by a Muslim and gets pregnant, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

Furthermore, if during the abortion, the child was born alive, should the child get medical care?

[mazrim]

You do have the option of educating yourself to learn laws already exist to cover this so it's a nothing burger

Kind of like lynching? Weird how they were perfectly fine passing that "unnecessary/redundant" bill but this one they seem to have a problem with.

[pellius]

Kind of like lynching? Weird how they were perfectly fine passing that "unnecessary/redundant" bill but this one they seem to have a problem with.

BOOM!

[Agnostic007]

Kind of like lynching? Weird how they were perfectly fine passing that "unnecessary/redundant" bill but this one they seem to have a problem with.

Not sure your original point about lynching.. Did the lynching Bill you speak of hamper Law Enforcements response or the response of medical staff and impose fines or imprisonment if the Bills requirements weren't met? Probably not.. so the "Boom" of Pellius is actually funny

[Agnostic007]

They already have this law on the books - from 2002. 


"previously passed legislation from 2002. The only difference between the 17-year-old law and Monday's was that the most recent one would have imposed fines and potential jail time for doctors who failed to comply."



This was a stunt - the next step would of been to say that 'born alive' means is they could be born alive, and then when can they be 'born alive', meaning another way to outlaw abortions.

agree

[mazrim]

Not sure your original point about lynching.. Did the lynching Bill you speak of hamper Law Enforcements response or the response of medical staff and impose fines or imprisonment if the Bills requirements weren't met? Probably not.. so the "Boom" of Pellius is actually funny

Not surprised at all that you don't get it.

It specifically states "any health care practitioner present" at the time of a birth "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age." After providing appropriate car the baby is to be "transported and admitted to a hospital".

The bill also states that anyone who "intentionally performs or attempts to perform an overt act that kills a child born alive" is subject to criminal prosecution for murder.


Guessing that you believe that abortion clinics have all of the necessary equipment, etc. that a hospital would have. They don't. Not really sorry that someone would be fined or imprisoned for murder/neglect.

Please post exact/full context words from the bill and what you exactly have an issue with those about. Or just scream "Women's rights!"

[Agnostic007]

Not surprised at all that you don't get it.

It specifically states "any health care practitioner present" at the time of a birth "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age." After providing appropriate car the baby is to be "transported and admitted to a hospital".

The bill also states that anyone who "intentionally performs or attempts to perform an overt act that kills a child born alive" is subject to criminal prosecution for murder.


Guessing that you believe that abortion clinics have all of the necessary equipment, etc. that a hospital would have. They don't. Not really sorry that someone would be fined or imprisoned for murder/neglect.

Please post exact/full context words from the bill and what you exactly have an issue with those about. Or just scream "Women's rights!"

My position is current law covered that and it was already legal for the Doctor to kill the baby after it was born. This bill was unnecessary and a political stunt. 

[chaos]

It was actually meant to get all Democrats especially those running for president on record as being for killing live babies.  It worked.

This.

[Agnostic007]

This.

True.. if someone didn't look into it, they would think that was what it was.. But if someone was smart enough to read the bill, know that a bipartisan effort was passed in 2002 that followed the correct process, and this law would add nothing but problems then they would understand why the Democrats didn't fall for it. 

[pellius]

Coach,

Hypothetical question for you.  If an American woman is raped by a Muslim and gets pregnant, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

Furthermore, if during the abortion, the child was born alive, should the child get medical care?

What does it matter if the inseminator was a Muslim, Black, Jew, a Satanist...? It has nothing to do with the child. The child is innocent. Why shouldn't a born child not get medical care if needed under any circumstances?

[pellius]

It's a simple runaround towards legal abortion.  They would have used the law to outlaw all abortion by filing suits to investigate whether it was born alive.  It's a shit law, Coach

So you are saying it's OK to kill newborn babies because it may lead to the outlawing of abortion?

[AbrahamG]

So you are saying it's OK to kill newborn babies because it may lead to the outlawing of abortion?

No, he's saying that newborn babies are NOT being killed and that there is already a law against it.  For goodness sakes, what really happened with burger-gate?  I'm starting to think it may have been more like a coney island episode.

[pellius]

They already have this law on the books - from 2002. 


"previously passed legislation from 2002. The only difference between the 17-year-old law and Monday's was that the most recent one would have imposed fines and potential jail time for doctors who failed to comply."



This was a stunt - the next step would of been to say that 'born alive' means is they could be born alive, and then when can they be 'born alive', meaning another way to outlaw abortions.

Not quite.

In 2002, Congress passed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which guaranteed to infants born at any stage of development full legal rights. That bill, which passed with bipartisan support, did not include criminal penalties for doctors and did not impose specific requirements on medical care.

That bill has no teeth. No consequences for those who did not provide the necessary medical care. The bill says that it is illegal to kill or allow to die a newborn baby but, if you do, then no criminal penalties.

[pellius]

Not surprised at all that you don't get it.

It specifically states "any health care practitioner present" at the time of a birth "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age." After providing appropriate car the baby is to be "transported and admitted to a hospital".

The bill also states that anyone who "intentionally performs or attempts to perform an overt act that kills a child born alive" is subject to criminal prosecution for murder.


Guessing that you believe that abortion clinics have all of the necessary equipment, etc. that a hospital would have. They don't. Not really sorry that someone would be fined or imprisoned for murder/neglect.

Please post exact/full context words from the bill and what you exactly have an issue with those about. Or just scream "Women's rights!"

Once again -- BOOM!

It's funny to you because you simply don't value the life of a newborn baby.

[pellius]

No, he's saying that newborn babies are NOT being killed and that there is already a law against it.  For goodness sakes, what really happened with burger-gate?  I'm starting to think it may have been more like a coney island episode.

You're simply wrong. They are trying to claim that Governor Northam misspoke even though he is said "I can tell you exactly what would happen..." and later even defended his initial comments.

[AbrahamG]

You're simply wrong. They are trying to claim that Governor Northam misspoke even though he is said "I can tell you exactly what would happen..." and later even defended his initial comments.

No sir.  I am not wrong.  I don't give a rats ass what Ralph Northam has to say about this.  The bipartisan law passed in 2002 has the bases covered. 

[Humble Narcissist]

You're simply wrong. They are trying to claim that Governor Northam misspoke even though he is said "I can tell you exactly what would happen..." and later even defended his initial comments.

The left has been fully exposed for the degenerates that they are.  Notice how they quickly went after the governor about "black face" from the 80's so this wouldn't be covered anymore.

[mazrim]

My position is current law covered that and it was already legal for the Doctor to kill the baby after it was born. This bill was unnecessary and a political stunt.  

So, once again, as posted previously you think it is redundant but acted like you have no idea what I was referencing.....You keep changing your position. Is it redundant or did it add things you do not like? If so post examples with direct text to support your position as I already shot down your "hospital" talking point. Redundancy is not an issue and shouldn't be one. Pretty poor excuse that if there is nothing wrong with this bill you are only not voting for it because of redundancy. We see right through that. That hasn't stopped anyone before.
It wouldn't be a stunt/issue (if that was your concern) if they had voted yes as the republicans did.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

So you are saying it's OK to kill newborn babies because it may lead to the outlawing of abortion?

It's not a baby ...its just biological material.  Care so much about life then why dont you adopt some children you dried raisin rather than trading blowjobs with homeless people....over a fucking cheeseburger at that...

[Humble Narcissist]

It's not a baby ...its just biological material.  Care so much about life then why dont you adopt some children you dried raisin rather than trading blowjobs with homeless people....over a fucking cheeseburger at that...

A BORN baby is biological material?  I'm glad you're a democrat.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

A BORN baby is biological material?  I'm glad you're a democrat.

Unborn....a Republican doesnt give a shit about a baby AFTER ITS BORN

[Twaddle]

What does it matter if the inseminator was a Muslim, Black, Jew, a Satanist...? It has nothing to do with the child. The child is innocent. Why shouldn't a born child not get medical care if needed under any circumstances?

The question was for Coach.  Since you want to answer for him, here's a hypothetical question for you.

Lets say the dick wagging, quarter pounder thieving homeless man drags your niece into an ally, rapes her and gets her pregnant.  Would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

Furthermore, if during the abortion, the child was born alive, should the child get medical care?

[XFACTOR]

The question was for Coach.  Since you want to answer for him, here's a hypothetical question for you.

Lets say the dick wagging, quarter pounder thieving homeless man drags your niece into an ally, rapes her and gets her pregnant.  Would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

Furthermore, if during the abortion, the child was born alive, should the child get medical care?

Love the question!

For the record my wife does abortions.  The right does blow things out of proportion when it comes to Abortion, she never sees anything crazy in terms of living babies or close to. 

[Humble Narcissist]

Unborn....a Republican doesnt give a shit about a baby AFTER ITS BORN

The Born Alive Protection Act is for babies alive outside the body.  Are you for killing them like the Virginia governor?

[SF1900]

I don't get it.

So, before this possible law was put forth, doctors were allowed to murder babies outside of the womb without any criminal consequences?

Where does it allow this?

This is a topic I don't follow much.