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Necrosis · « **on:** March 24, 2019, 02:55:14 PM »

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/record-february-budget-deficit-trump_n_5c96cc00e4b01ebeef103d01

excessive

IroNat · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2019, 05:40:27 PM »

A bit.

myt1 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2019, 06:48:56 PM »

Gotta fix Obumma's mess first, and he made a big one. Clean up in aisle 666 is going to take a while, and cost a lot. He has a long term plan. Supposedly it's supposed to be balanced by 2030. Considering Obumma racked up over $9 Trillion in 8 years, and did/put in place things that are draining us financially that would be a hell of an accomplishment.

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2019, 08:09:51 PM »

Quote from: myt1 on March 24, 2019, 06:48:56 PM

Gotta fix Obumma's mess first, and he made a big one. Clean up in aisle 666 is going to take a while, and cost a lot. He has a long term plan. Supposedly it's supposed to be balanced by 2030. Considering Obumma racked up over $9 Trillion in 8 years, and did/put in place things that are draining us financially that would be a hell of an accomplishment.

Oh Please....

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Necrosis · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2019, 04:06:00 PM »

Quote from: myt1 on March 24, 2019, 06:48:56 PM

Gotta fix Obumma's mess first, and he made a big one. Clean up in aisle 666 is going to take a while, and cost a lot. He has a long term plan. Supposedly it's supposed to be balanced by 2030. Considering Obumma racked up over $9 Trillion in 8 years, and did/put in place things that are draining us financially that would be a hell of an accomplishment.

Ridiculous, Trump was handed a great economy and Obama was handed a great recession, by your logic his spending was to clean up GW's mess and it was far far far bigger then the one trump inherited, obviously.

I don't like either, I frankly don't care but it's hilarious to see the mental gymnastics the teamsters will go through. You are living in a plutocracy brother, this is 1984.

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2019, 04:17:03 PM »

Quote from: Necrosis on March 25, 2019, 04:06:00 PM

Ridiculous, Trump was handed a great economy and Obama was handed a great recession, by your logic his spending was to clean up GW's mess and it was far far far bigger then the one trump inherited, obviously.

I don't like either, I frankly don't care but it's hilarious to see the mental gymnastics the teamsters will go through. You are living in a plutocracy brother, this is 1984.

Actually there was very slow growth going on when Trump took over. Remember when candidate Trump was saying we should have 3 to 4% growth and Obama mocked by saying "How's he going to do that? Does he have some kind of magic wand?"

Abracadabra bitch!

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2019, 05:08:38 PM »

Quote from: Necrosis on March 25, 2019, 04:06:00 PM

Ridiculous, Trump was handed a great economy and Obama was handed a great recession, by your logic his spending was to clean up GW's mess and it was far far far bigger then the one trump inherited, obviously.

I don't like either, I frankly don't care but it's hilarious to see the mental gymnastics the teamsters will go through. You are living in a plutocracy brother, this is 1984.

It gets ridiculous sometimes doesn't it.

chaos · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2019, 07:21:17 PM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on March 25, 2019, 04:17:03 PM

Actually there was very slow growth going on when Trump took over. Remember when candidate Trump was saying we should have 3 to 4% growth and Obama mocked by saying "How's he going to do that? Does he have some kind of magic wand?"

Abracadabra bitch!

Yeah, certain people seem to think Obama was some great leader that had the USA on some righteous path to prosperity. Trump inherited a mediocre economy.

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2019, 09:13:34 PM »

Quote from: chaos on March 25, 2019, 07:21:17 PM

Yeah, certain people seem to think Obama was some great leader that had the USA on some righteous path to prosperity. Trump inherited a mediocre economy.

Chaos, sincere question. Comparing what Obama inherited and what Trump inherited, which of the two had it better?

chaos · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2019, 12:03:39 PM »

Quote from: Agnostic007 on March 25, 2019, 09:13:34 PM

Chaos, sincere question. Comparing what Obama inherited and what Trump inherited, which of the two had it better?

Trump started with a slightly better economy, no doubt. But obama was no saviour to the people.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2019, 12:22:31 PM »

Quote from: Agnostic007 on March 25, 2019, 09:13:34 PM

Chaos, sincere question. Comparing what Obama inherited and what Trump inherited, which of the two had it better?

Obama was a gay communist who also had the Fed release endless debt at almost 0% interest rates - and even with that had miserable GDP growth

Necrosis · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2019, 03:03:15 PM »

Quote from: chaos on March 26, 2019, 12:03:39 PM

Trump started with a slightly better economy, no doubt. But obama was no saviour to the people.

Slightly better? lol.

it was improving substantially from a significant low point in history dude.

chaos · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:06:57 PM »

Quote from: Necrosis on March 26, 2019, 03:03:15 PM

Slightly better? lol.

it was improving substantially from a significant low point in history dude.

Slightly better, yes.

AbrahamG · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:41:37 PM »

Quote from: chaos on March 26, 2019, 06:06:57 PM

Slightly better, yes.

Pretty sure 2015 and 2016 had more job growth than 2017 & 2018.

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2019, 08:33:38 PM »

Quote from: AbrahamG on March 26, 2019, 06:41:37 PM

Pretty sure 2015 and 2016 had more job growth than 2017 & 2018.

I thought it was obvious but I posted the question in an effort to find common ground. What I saw was a very filtered view. No one can honestly say Obama and Trumps first years were remotely the same. Obama came in at a time when the housing market and stock market were suffering. Trump came in when things were on the up trend. I defy anyone to post statistics or facts that say otherwise. I hope those who agreed with Chaos' view take a step back and reconsider their own bias. Who knows, maybe this is the beginning of a new day in Get Big when people are willing to second guess their opinions..

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 26, 2019, 08:34:54 PM »

Quote from: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2019, 12:22:31 PM

Obama was a gay communist who also had the Fed release endless debt at almost 0% interest rates - and even with that had miserable GDP growth

Why do you insist on posting things that move you into the "gloss over their post" section?

chaos · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2019, 09:55:52 PM »

Quote from: Agnostic007 on March 26, 2019, 08:33:38 PM

I thought it was obvious but I posted the question in an effort to find common ground. What I saw was a very filtered view. No one can honestly say Obama and Trumps first years were remotely the same. Obama came in at a time when the housing market and stock market were suffering. Trump came in when things were on the up trend. I defy anyone to post statistics or facts that say otherwise. I hope those who agreed with Chaos' view take a step back and reconsider their own bias. Who knows, maybe this is the beginning of a new day in Get Big when people are willing to second guess their opinions..

Are you drunk again? I agreed with you.

Agnostic007 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2019, 09:59:55 PM »

Man I wish.. but no.

You really didn't agree with me...you painted a false picture

chaos · « **Reply #18 on:** March 27, 2019, 09:28:05 AM »

Quote from: Agnostic007 on March 26, 2019, 09:59:55 PM

Man I wish.. but no.

You really didn't agree with me...you painted a false picture

It's only a false picture to you because I don't glorify Obama.

Howard · « **Reply #19 on:** March 27, 2019, 11:52:10 AM »

Quote from: Soul Crusher on March 26, 2019, 12:22:31 PM

Obama was a gay communist who also had the Fed release endless debt at almost 0% interest rates - and even with that had miserable GDP growth

Yes, but according to the Kynsian model of economic theory, wouldn't lowered interest rates by the FED promote investment/growth?
No, I'm not referring to some hypothetical Laffer curve model either. What mode of economic theory were you referring to?

IroNat · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2019, 01:47:17 PM »

Neither Trump or Obama is responsible for the current bull market (soon to end).

Thin Lizzy · « **Reply #21 on:** March 27, 2019, 02:35:02 PM »

Quote from: Humble Narcissist on March 25, 2019, 04:17:03 PM

Actually there was very slow growth going on when Trump took over. Remember when candidate Trump was saying we should have 3 to 4% growth and Obama mocked by saying "How's he going to do that? Does he have some kind of magic wand?"

Abracadabra bitch!

What he doesn’t understand up there in Canada is that the budget is controlled by Congress. The Republicans took over in 2010 and that’s when the economy really started turning around, once they put an end to Obama’s silly programs. Now you could either credit Obama or the Republican Congress for the economy. If you’re going to go with the former, then the economy should’ve tanked once Trump took over and Republicans controlled everything but it didn’t did it? It grew at a much faster rate.

If you’re talking deficits, it’s all make-believe unless you’re going to address the social programs, which are the primary debt drivers. The Democrats won’t touch them because it’s their baby and the Republicans won’t because it’s political suicide.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #22 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:09:41 PM »

Quote from: Howard on March 27, 2019, 11:52:10 AM

Yes, but according to the Kynsian model of economic theory, wouldn't lowered interest rates by the FED promote investment/growth?
No, I'm not referring to some hypothetical Laffer curve model either. What mode of economic theory were you referring to?

The Kenyan model calls for that

Humble Narcissist · « **Reply #23 on:** March 27, 2019, 04:18:56 PM »

Quote from: Thin Lizzy on March 27, 2019, 02:35:02 PM

What he doesn’t understand up there in Canada is that the budget is controlled by Congress. The Republicans took over in 2010 and that’s when the economy really started turning around, once they put an end to Obama’s silly programs. Now you could either credit Obama or the Republican Congress for the economy. If you’re going to go with the former, then the economy should’ve tanked once Trump took over and Republicans controlled everything but it didn’t did it? It grew at a much faster rate.

If you’re talking deficits, it’s all make-believe unless you’re going to address the social programs, which are the primary debt drivers. The Democrats won’t touch them because it’s their baby and the Republicans won’t because it’s political suicide.

You're right, no one is touching the social programs because they fear the next election. The problem will never be fixed unless there's a huge economic crash and total restructuring of the current entitlement system.