Heaven & Hell Before Christ Visited the World

[Dave D]

In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ),

You probably know more about Islam than I do, but you can do better than wikipedia.

https://www.christiancentury.org/article/interview/who-jesus-muslims

In Islam, as well as in Christianity, Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary and was without a father. But for Muslims, Jesus is neither God nor the Son of God.

[AbrahamG]

You probably know more about Islam than I do, but you can do better than wikipedia.

https://www.christiancentury.org/article/interview/who-jesus-muslims

In Islam, as well as in Christianity, Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary and was without a father. But for Muslims, Jesus is neither God nor the Son of God.

What is the meaning of Messiah in Islam?

Interestingly, out of all prophets and messengers of God, Jesus is the only messenger who received the title of al-Masih, or Messiah, in the Qur’an. The term can be translated as the Anointed One. The root of the word has something to do with touching: mash means to touch. This is related to Jesus’ touching when he would heal people afflicted with various diseases. Al-Masih also refers to the eschatological purpose of Jesus, his coming at the end of time. But much of the discussion of Jesus’ eschatological purpose is found in the Hadith literature and not in the Qur’an itself.

-Christiancentury.org

[Dave D]

What is the meaning of Messiah in Islam?

Interestingly, out of all prophets and messengers of God, Jesus is the only messenger who received the title of al-Masih, or Messiah, in the Qur’an. The term can be translated as the Anointed One. The root of the word has something to do with touching: mash means to touch. This is related to Jesus’ touching when he would heal people afflicted with various diseases. Al-Masih also refers to the eschatological purpose of Jesus, his coming at the end of time. But much of the discussion of Jesus’ eschatological purpose is found in the Hadith literature and not in the Qur’an itself.

-Christiancentury.org

I'm sorry bro.

I guess my main point was that muslims do not recognize jesus as the son of god.  This belief is one of the foundations of christianity. The only messiah in the Christian belief system is the son of god.

[AbrahamG]

I'm sorry bro.

I guess my main point was that muslims do not recognize jesus as the son of god.  This belief is one of the foundations of christianity. The only messiah in the Christian belief system is the son of god.

No problem.  You are correct on the son of god issue. 

[illuminati]

There are many "gods" but only one creator.

People kill one another over shoes.

And political differences.

And you're asking why they cant get along?

Theres still people in America claiming Trump isnt their President, even though he won the election.

People argue, fight, kill and war.  For any reason they want.

What you should do is provide scientific evidence God doesn't exist. Really teach everyone how foolish they are.  It should be fairly simple.

Where did I ask why people can’t get along ?

What you should do is Provide Factual Proof - Yet you do not.
Why is that then.?

And where have you answered what happened to those before Jesus ?

[illuminati]

In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ),

Keep Islam & the Peadophile out of this thread - it’s of no relevance.

[Dave D]

Where did I ask why people can’t get along ?

You said this.

ONLY 3200 !!!

And millions still believe & Argue & Kill each other over God & Religion 
So much for the advancement of Human intellect. 

What you should do is Provide Factual Proof - Yet you do not.
Why is that then.?

Proof of what? Jesus? God?

And why should I? You didnt ask for proof until I asked you to prove God isnt real, and yet you still offer no proof. And round and round we go.

That I understand your questions and they are good ones to ask.

You want factual proof that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person?

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Here is archaeological  proof of his crucifixion.

What happened to those who died before Jesus, what happens to babys who are killed, what about those who never heard of Jesus?

Your hang up on the Christianity faith is how to account for those who died before Jesus came?  You dont believe "God" is fair, just and righteous.

The answer is the same as when Abraham trusted in God and it was counted for him as righteous, so by faith people are saved. So the belief is that they would be with God in paradise


When Abraham's bosum is referenced I'm not sure that is being referred to as a place, as in a destination, but more of a location that is, by Abraham's side.

Do you think Jesus came to bring peace?

The question is who do you believe Jesus is? Examine who the man is apart from the religion if that makes sense.

[Axe71]

      
The lordship of Adam had fallen into the hands of Satan and he was now the God of this world.

Physically we were alive but had the curse of death which we inherited from our first parents.    
Spiritually we were dead.

There was no way back to God as the inherited corruption prevented us to ever be with God.

It would take a perfect man to regain what was lost.  To take your place in Death.  To give you his life so that you could live.

Jesus was sent into the world for this purpose.  He had existed as the first of all of Gods creation.  He was present in his spiritual form during the times of the old testament. He was sent to this world in human form. He lived a life as a man.  Tested in all ways.   He is your best friend, your brother,  your high priest.

His perfect life and sacrifice repaired the way back for all who believed.
There is only one Mediator between Man and God and that is the Lord Jesus CHRIST.

God almighty sends the Holy Spirit through Jesus to be in you.     You will never be lost and you always can call upon Jesus's name.
You are never alone as Jesus promised that he would always be with you.

God now has you back.    You who were lost is now found.    He loved you so much that he gave his only Begotten son to gain you back.
God will draw you to Jesus.    He wants to change you to conform you to the image of his son.  

The reason why God took those thousands of years is that the evil in the world tried to prevent the Lord's coming.   That was the reason for the flood where only eight souls were saved.   A minefield was set by Satan to kill the line to prevent Christs coming.  Often there was only one child left who was saved to carry the line down.

Jesus defeated the darkness at the cross.    He destroyed the works of evil.    They now are defeated but not yet destroyed.

Its is the biggest thing you will ever think of in your life.    Everything is designed to keep you from the knowledge of this.    Distractions,  Deceptions.   All the evil wants to do is Kill, Steal, and Destroy if you give them a foothold in your life.

 But if you only spend the time to look to Christ he  will make you better in all of your ways.   

God will search for you all the days of your life.    He will never give up on you.    Thats how important you are.     Your potential is something the evil does not want you to ever know about.

But it is all about your free will.   It is all your choice .....

[illuminati]

You said this.
Proof of what? Jesus? God?

And why should I? You didnt ask for proof until I asked you to prove God isnt real, and yet you still offer no proof. And round and round we go.

That I understand your questions and they are good ones to ask.

You want factual proof that Jesus of Nazareth was a real person?

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

Here is archaeological  proof of his crucifixion.

What happened to those who died before Jesus, what happens to babys who are killed, what about those who never heard of Jesus?

Your hang up on the Christianity faith is how to account for those who died before Jesus came?  You dont believe "God" is fair, just and righteous.

The answer is the same as when Abraham trusted in God and it was counted for him as righteous, so by faith people are saved. So the belief is that they would be with God in paradise


When Abraham's bosum is referenced I'm not sure that is being referred to as a place, as in a destination, but more of a location that is, by Abraham's side.

Do you think Jesus came to bring peace?

The question is who do you believe Jesus is? Examine who the man is apart from the religion if that makes sense.

I just asked a question as to what happened to the “souls / Spirits” of people who died
Long before there was any kind of religion or people had heard of god / Jesus & Religion.

I really can’t see why a God / Jesus would wait umpteen Thousands of years before
Turning up 2000 yrs ago. Better to have been around from day 1 I’d of thought.

I have no idea who Jesus was & really don’t care as I’m not a Believer & don’t believe
It affects Me now or in the future.

I’ve zero hang up on any god. Those that wish to believe that’s their business,
Only Religion I do Have Issue With is Islam & Musli’s - Its been a pain to the rest of the world
Since it started.

[seCrawler]

I wouldn't risk anything for the morons on this site.  No way it's 100% from a pool of jelly - a multi-cellular moron.  I'm putting my money on a higher being when I check out.  You fools can take the detour.

[IroNat]

Not sure that is accurate as pertains to the Muslims.  Pretty sure he is/was the messiah to them.  They, like Christians are awaiting his return.

"In Islam, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, is one of the five greatest messengers of God who are collectively known as the ‘Ul al-Azm or the Possessors of Steadfastness. Jesus is also a real person who lived in Roman Judea in the first century of the Common Era. Muslims share with Christians most of the basic outlines of Jesus’ story, though there are certainly differences. In Islam, as well as in Christianity, Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary and was without a father. But for Muslims, Jesus is neither God nor the Son of God."

https://www.christiancentury.org/article/interview/who-jesus-muslims

Judaism's view:

https://www.thoughtco.com/jewish-view-of-jesus-2076763

"Stated simply, the Jewish view of Jesus of Nazareth is that he was an ordinary Jewish man and, most likely, a preacher living during the Roman occupation of Israel in the 1st century C.E. The Romans executed him—and many other nationalistic and religious Jews—for speaking out against the Roman authorities and their abuses."

[Lord Humungous]

I just asked a question as to what happened to the “souls / Spirits” of people who died
Long before there was any kind of religion or people had heard of god / Jesus & Religion.

I really can’t see why a God / Jesus would wait umpteen Thousands of years before
Turning up 2000 yrs ago. Better to have been around from day 1 I’d of thought.

I have no idea who Jesus was & really don’t care as I’m not a Believer & don’t believe
It affects Me now or in the future.

I’ve zero hang up on any god. Those that wish to believe that’s their business,
Only Religion I do Have Issue With is Islam & Musli’s - Its been a pain to the rest of the world
Since it started.

God didn't wait 2000 years.

Pre Yeshua God gave the Jews an method of atonement - the sacrifice system. The blood of an innocent to atone for the wickedness of man. In Tanak the Lavitical priests we're almost more like butchers then actual priests. Blood of the innocent had to be shed for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus Yeshua came before the destruction of the second temple to replace the blood atonement system. Jesus became sin for all man's salvation. He bore the sin of all mankind upon him self. All anyone has to do is take him as Lord and redeemer and except his gift of salvation.

[Dave D]

I just asked a question as to what happened to the “souls / Spirits” of people who died
Long before there was any kind of religion or people had heard of god / Jesus & Religion.

I really can’t see why a God / Jesus would wait umpteen Thousands of years before
Turning up 2000 yrs ago. Better to have been around from day 1 I’d of thought.

I have no idea who Jesus was & really don’t care as I’m not a Believer & don’t believe
It affects Me now or in the future.

I’ve zero hang up on any god. Those that wish to believe that’s their business,
Only Religion I do Have Issue With is Islam & Musli’s - Its been a pain to the rest of the world
Since it started.

Fair enough.

Theres a couple of good answers to your questions on here.

You should do a thread on Bigfoot or Aliens next.

[Kwon]

You fools can take the detour.

Hey, that's Detroit!

[Kwon]

God didn't wait 2000 years.

Pre Yeshua God gave the Jews an method of atonement - the sacrifice system. The blood of an innocent to atone for the wickedness of man. In Tanak the Lavitical priests we're almost more like butchers then actual priests. Blood of the innocent had to be shed for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus Yeshua came before the destruction of the second temple to replace the blood atonement system. Jesus became sin for all man's salvation. He bore the sin of all mankind upon him self. All anyone has to do is take him as Lord and redeemer and except his gift of salvation.

Sounds logical enough.

But Jesus Yeshua is not as powerful as The God Emperor Trump.

[loco]

[loco]

There are many "gods" but only one creator.

People kill one another over shoes.

And political differences.

And you're asking why they cant get along?

Theres still people in America claiming Trump isnt their President, even though he won the election.

People argue, fight, kill and war.  For any reason they want.

What you should do is provide scientific evidence God doesn't exist. Really teach everyone how foolish they are.  It should be fairly simple.

And sports

[loco]

Before Jesus, there were Norse Gods, Egyptian Gods, Greek Gods, Caliber Fitness Deities, The God of Profit etc

Those are indirectly mentioned in the Bible.  They were fallen angels (Zeus, Odin, etc.) and their offspring (Hercules, Thor, etc.) after taking male human form and having sex with female humans.

Genesis 6:1-2
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

[Dave D]

And sports

Yes.

Dont go to Dodgers stadium for a night game if you're not a fan.

[illuminati]

Fair enough.

Theres a couple of good answers to your questions on here.

You should do a thread on Bigfoot or Aliens next.

Very good suggestions
No doubt their are those that believe & will ask for Proof They Don’t Exist 
Rather than proving they do.

I’m sure there are plenty of Books (bibles) to back their stories up
For all You Non Believers.

 

[Dave D]

Very good suggestions
No doubt their are those that believe & will ask for Proof They Don’t Exist 
Rather than proving they do.

I’m sure there are plenty of Books (bibles) to back their stories up
For all You Non Believers.

 

Lol what are you going on about?

You dont believe in Jesus, big deal. Now you don't like answers you're given?

You're not asking a question you want an answer for you just want argue, do we need another thread like this?

[illuminati]

Lol what are you going on about?

You dont believe in Jesus, big deal. Now you don't like answers you're given?

You're not asking a question you want an answer for you just want argue, do we need another thread like this?

I’m going on about your suggestions - please keep up.
I responded to your suggestion on topics & added my opinion on Likely views & beliefs.

I’ve asked a few questions & not received one definitive response.

Why are You so wound up that I & others don’t believe in a god or gods let alone a book that
As time goes on keeps getting changed.

Here one simple question- Did the Original (if there is / was one ) say that queers 2 men or 2 women could get married when it was written?

That should be straight forward for you to answer.

[Dave D]

I’m going on about your suggestions - please keep up.
I responded to your suggestion on topics & added my opinion on Likely views & beliefs.

I’ve asked a few questions & not received one definitive response.

Why are You so wound up that I & others don’t believe in a god or gods let alone a book that
As time goes on keeps getting changed.

Here one simple question- Did the Original (if there is / was one ) say that queers 2 men or 2 women could get married when it was written?

That should be straight forward for you to answer.

Bro I dont care that you dont believe in god or my god/beliefs. I get that and completely understand.  I know why people find the idea of Jesus as the son of God preposterous.

What i was frustrated with was that instead of looking at my response/answer you responded with your original question of what happened to people who died before Jesus  came? You completely ignored my response.

To answer your question, from a Biblical perspective marriage is between a man and a woman. The first married couple were Adam and Eve.

The bible openly opposes homosexuality so, NO same sex marriage would not be supported.

[gcb]

http://www.400monkeys.com/God/

[The Scott]

What is it you truly wish to know and if I can answer, I will.  My perspective could be called "unique" but only because it is mine.  If you think about it, we are all unique so that if you are unique and I am unique then it could be said we are the same.

For example, I would say that if God exists, he would use very small words to explain things to us because we would not even be babies in his world.  Thus the simplistic story of Creation.  It would seem to be that it is very easy for early man to understand and accept and that could be why it was explained in that manner.  One doesn't explain quantum physics to a baby. Yes, you could but it would only put the baby to sleep.

Which is probably what God would want, seeing as how we seem to always be whining. Well...at least the Jews, muslimes and libtards are. 

I'm here to help but I have no idea if what I just stated did.