Shooter in custody after multiple people killed at the Virginia Beach Municipal

[chaos]

i think the state of American can be summed up simply by reading the posts on this thread. 10 12 innocent people died but lets joke about it

Fixed

[Moontrane]

More people are killed by handguns than rifles so as usually you don't know what you are talking about.  You want to know what kills even more?   Hands and feet.

Also, I'm not sure what the fuck people think semi-automatic means but all it means is when you pull the trigger once, one bullet comes out.  What is the alternative?  Single shot muskets?

Violent crime and murder have actually been on a steady decline for years.  Except...check this out...mostly in places run by Democrats that have strict gun control laws.  Chicago anyone?  St Louis, Baltimore, etc, etc, etc.

The other thing to consider when looking at gun related deaths is that suicides are almost always included in the figures which is a huge chunk....like 30% or something of people that die from being shot........shot themselves.......on purpose.

7,000+ handgun and 374 rifle (including the "dreaded" AR-15) murders last year.  I don't believe it's worth comparing them.

Per current news, the VA shooter used one .45 semiauto with multiple magazines.

[pellius]

There are only four scenarios.

1. Nobody can own a gun.
2. Only good guys can own guns.
3. Only bad guys can own guns.
4. Everybody can own a gun.

1. I sure Liberals will support number one and there would definitely be far less gun crime if that could happen. But it would put the weak, and vulnerable people at risks as they could not protect themselves not to mention it would simply be impossible to achieve.
Guns are here people will get them.

2. Number two would be ideal but again impossible to achieve. If a good guy can get access to a gun so would a bad guy.

3. This is what happens when you outlaw guns. Gun laws, indeed all laws, don't apply to criminals as they operate outside of the law. So if you pass a law outlawing gun ownership then all gun owners by definition become criminals.

4. There is nothing you can do that will insure that some crazy person doesn't go on a rampage. You can stop some, as we do all the time, but not all. This is just a fact. I really, really, don't understand how people think passing more laws or limiting gun access is going to stop criminals or crazy people from getting guns. Please explain that to me. I know it hard to believe but conservatives don't like innocent people getting gunned down either. The only thing we can do is stop someone from shooting at you and that can only happen by a good guy owning a gun. Why isn't that obvious? You trust the police to carry guns because they have the training. Why not allow civilians to have the same right if they have the same training as the police?

If there were some armed police at the scene in Virginia the carnage would have been greatly minimized. Maybe even prevented entirely because of the deterrent factor.
I'm sure there are many more people that have a beef with the police than government employees and would like to shoot them up but you never hear of anyone attack a
police station. Why is that? Maybe if there were some armed civilians with proper training at the scene in Virginia the carnage would have been greatly minimized.

[pellius]

Ban guns, no more gun deaths then. People won`t buy guns legally then to murder others because they are banned 

It is the herd mentality comparable to "every man is a rapist" feminist logic, only here it is "every gun owner is a murderer".

Even better, we should ban murder. Stop it at the source.

That'll work.

[Agnostic007]

Fixed

thank you

[Fortress]

A precisely thrown Chunky Soup can can inflict serious injury to the head.

Always carry a can of Chunky Soup.

[Moontrane]

A precisely thrown Chunky Soup can can inflict serious injury to the head.

Always carry a can of Chunky Soup.

Assault soup!

[Irongrip400]

shooter was a black man with a handgun. Not your usual mass shooting of white dude with AR. Now instead of mourning the loss of 11 innocent people, I wonder if some will call for the complete ban of all guns now.

[Thin Lizzy]

Good piece on the subject:




https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/does-strict-gun-legislation-reduce-violent-crime-in-latam/

Latin America has some of the highest gun homicide rates in the world, despite certain countries having relatively strict gun control laws, raising the question: to what extent, if any, does tighter legislation help to lower homicide rates and violent crime in the region?

The short answer to this question is that there is no clear correlation. A look at six countries with widely differing gun legislation and gun homicide statistics — Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela, Honduras, Chile and Uruguay — shows that gun legislation, on its own, means little in terms of gun violence. Understanding gun violence seems more predicated on understanding the dynamics of crime in a country, and the weaknesses of state institutions, than on studying the laws in place.

[Sissysquats]

More unaddressed mental health issues.

But it would be bad to force nut cases into treatment according to libs

[visualizeperfection]

He was a Hebrew.

[Pray_4_War]

shooter was a black man with a handgun.

...and just like that the media lost interest in the story.

[Princess L]

Who Is DeWayne Craddock, the Suspect in the Virginia Beach Shooting?

    June 1, 2019

Virginia Beach officials on Saturday identified DeWayne Craddock, a longtime Virginia Beach city worker who had recently been terminated, as the gunman who stormed the beach community’s municipal complex on Friday afternoon and opened fire, killing at least 12 and injuring several others.

[Officials have identified the victims.]

Mr. Craddock, 40, died in a shootout with the police. Here is what we know about him:

• Mr. Craddock worked as an engineer in the Department of Public Utilities, the city’s water and sanitary sewer services branch, for about 15 years. A recent city news release listed him as a contact person on a roads project.

• There was no immediate indication that Mr. Craddock targeted anyone in particular, officials said.

• He had a bachelor’s degree in civil engineering from Old Dominion University. Before his job with the city, he worked for private firms specializing in site planning and infrastructure, and for the Army Training and Support Center, employment listings showed. He also served in the Army National Guard, according to news reports.

• Mr. Craddock had no obvious criminal history, according to court records, although he did have several traffic violations over the years.

• Virginia Beach Police Chief James Cervera said Mr. Craddock was armed with at least one weapon, a .45-caliber handgun that had a sound suppressor attached to it. He used extended magazines, which hold more ammunition than standard models. Officials said that additional weapons had been found at the scene and at Mr. Craddock’s home.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/01/us/dewayne-craddock-virginia.html

[Joe Valentino]

i think the state of American can be summed up simply by reading the posts on this thread. 10 innocent people died but lets joke about it

12, actually. Sad, but.. who knows when is gonna be the next one. We only know that will happen

[dearth]

trump voters aren't smart enough to figure out that gun violence can't happen without guns

MAGA!

[Rascal full]

trump voters aren't smart enough to figure out that gun violence can't happen without guns

MAGA!

Take your point but the reality is there are guns and millions of them in circulation. We have to deal with it from that point as it will never go back to the point where guns are few and far between. Banning guns now will not magically remove them from society, unfortunately it will stack them in the hands of criminals and make for a far more dangerous environment for the law abiding.

[Humble Narcissist]

There are only four scenarios.

1. Nobody can own a gun.
2. Only good guys can own guns.
3. Only bad guys can own guns.
4. Everybody can own a gun.

1. I sure Liberals will support number one and there would definitely be far less gun crime if that could happen. But it would put the weak, and vulnerable people at risks as they could not protect themselves not to mention it would simply be impossible to achieve.
Guns are here people will get them.

2. Number two would be ideal but again impossible to achieve. If a good guy can get access to a gun so would a bad guy.

3. This is what happens when you outlaw guns. Gun laws, indeed all laws, don't apply to criminals as they operate outside of the law. So if you pass a law outlawing gun ownership then all gun owners by definition become criminals.

4. There is nothing you can do that will insure that some crazy person doesn't go on a rampage. You can stop some, as we do all the time, but not all. This is just a fact. I really, really, don't understand how people think passing more laws or limiting gun access is going to stop criminals or crazy people from getting guns. Please explain that to me. I know it hard to believe but conservatives don't like innocent people getting gunned down either. The only thing we can do is stop someone from shooting at you and that can only happen by a good guy owning a gun. Why isn't that obvious? You trust the police to carry guns because they have the training. Why not allow civilians to have the same right if they have the same training as the police?

If there were some armed police at the scene in Virginia the carnage would have been greatly minimized. Maybe even prevented entirely because of the deterrent factor.
I'm sure there are many more people that have a beef with the police than government employees and would like to shoot them up but you never hear of anyone attack a
police station. Why is that? Maybe if there were some armed civilians with proper training at the scene in Virginia the carnage would have been greatly minimized.

Beautifully stated Pellius.

[SOMEPARTS]

Go for the cheeseburger catch some hands. Go for the shake get two in tha dome. 

[pellius]

trump voters aren't smart enough to figure out that gun violence can't happen without guns

MAGA!

Hillary Clinton voters are too dumb to realize that guns have existed for centuries and will always exist.

[pellius]

12, actually. Sad, but.. who knows when is gonna be the next one. We only know that will happen

So if you are unfortunate enough to be in that situation, pray that there is somewhere with the foresight, courage, and training to end it right there because it certainly won't be you.. You'll be like most and just wait passively cowering in the corner for the police to show up to protect you since you can't and won't protect yourself.

[SOMEPARTS]

Hillary Clinton voters are too dumb to realize that guns have existed for centuries and will always exist.

Worse than that. They believe that only govt should have guns. Imagine the willful disconnection from history that takes.

[Pray_4_War]

We actually had more guns in the country many years ago but zero mass shootings.  Mass shootings are fairly new and they are a result of the moral and cultural rot in the United States.

[Agnostic007]

Latest news is he wasn't a fired disgruntled employee and there are reports he was very pleasant the morning before the shooting. Exchanging pleasantries and wishing people a great weekend. This to me is even more concerning than if he had been a fired employee that was obviously pissed off.

[Kwon]

shooter was a black man with a handgun. Not your usual mass shooting of white dude with AR. Now instead of mourning the loss of 11 innocent people, I wonder if some will call for the complete ban of all guns now.

Complete ban of black men with handguns is better.

[IRON CROSS]

Worse than that. They believe that only govt should have guns. Imagine the willful disconnection from history that takes.

It's happening in New Zealand