ESF - Discussion

[illuminati]

ESF is different. He was shooting up $120k of heroin to help bring him down from the Thermadrene.

Your right about him being different
He Lives in La La Land
And Suffers from Inexhaustible Verbal Diarrhoea & Fantasy Delusions
That he posts as Reality. 

[wes]

ESF is different. He was shooting up $120k of heroin to help bring him down from the Thermadrene.

All at one time too !!  LOL 

[wes]

Your right about him being different
He Lives in La La Land
And Suffers from Inexhaustible Verbal Diarrhoea & Fantasy Delusions
That he posts as Reality. 

I think his invisible brain is fried from all the vast quantities of invisible drugs he has ingested.  LOL 

[Joe Valentino]

Only diabetics should be using insulin, not "thong warrior wanna-bee's"...

Looks like their still using. Bubble guts on stage all the time

[illuminati]

I think his invisible brain is fried from all the vast quantities of invisible drugs he has ingested.  LOL 

You’re probably right
He’s definitely out there - Likely Out there as far as Pluto !!

[AbrahamG]

I think his invisible brain is fried from all the vast quantities of invisible drugs he has ingested.  LOL 

Be careful Wes.  This sounds dangerously close to disrespect.  Your thongs and trophy's will only buy you so much Mercy from ESF.

[ESFitness]

I used a lot of Thermadrene back in the late '90s for my preworkout first thing in the morning.  I don't know about handfuls though.  On my way over to the Pyramid Club Gym in Rahway, NJ one morning, I made the mistake of drinking some of my wife's coffee after I took a Thermadrene.  I thought I was going to die!

These dudes were taking 4-5 pregame and another 4-5 at halftime. I don't know how they didn't have heart attacks. Found out there was a senior (when I was a sophomore) selling them for $3 a piece. I had jars and jars or Ripped Fuel, Diet fuel, and xenedrine I believe at the time so I started selling them for 20 for $20 (& advising not to take 10 a fucking game. I didn't need some dude having a stroke and fingers pointed at me). I preferred Ultimate Orange. I remember the USMC guys having their annual pull-up contest at lunch my junior yr and I wanted to win and wanted the t-shirt so I took either a double or a triple serving (I believe double) with a couple handfuls of vanadal sulfate (about 60mg or so I believe). Thought my heart was gonna explode. Still won tho, and beat the senior wrestlers and got the tee-shirt. Only took about 18 to win. Did most overhand chins, then switched to rev grip pullups. I remember that's how I met staff Sgt Gordon and  dude wouldnt leave me alone for the next 2yrs or whatever it was. Remember he'd call me at home Friday about 6-7, usually just after getting home from the gym and ask what  I was doing tmrw (sat), before I could think something up he'd say "great! I'll come by and pick you up and we'll go train. I'll be there at 7am" before I could say "no" or even ask how he knew where I lived. Sure enough, 7am he's there and we'd head to MCRD and do whatever he wanted.. some days it'd be 30-60mins of weights, then we'd go somewhere else outside on base and Sprint for an hour, or take out kayaks and race in the bay for an hour then go run for 30mins.... Every fucking Saturday morning for months. And the dude would always ask if i wanted a beer as we drove past the store on base "we work hard and we play hard... I don't drink. I don't know if you do, but what happens on base stays on base" I always thought it was some sorta trick cuz I was only 17 or whatever and I didn't party, and wouldn't drink my first beer till I was 21.

Anyways.. enough of memory lane trips for the day

[ESFitness]

I think his invisible brain is fried from all the vast quantities of invisible drugs he has ingested.  LOL 

"Vast quantities of drugs"eh?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black. Coming from a tweaker. How many times did you stay up for a week and go through speed-psychosis? That doesn't happen with opiates. I'm not a tweaker or coke-head. Never have been. I don't even drink coffee usually. You on other hand have a brain ruined by stimulants that cause psychosis and drive you to steal your family's VCR and power tools to pawn so you could keep your little coke and meth binges going.

It's amazing how meth heads don't realize how they argue with everybody and never shut up, even after they get clean. Your brains remain ruined.

[LurkerNoMore]

Once again, NOBODY can offer a legitimate explanation as to why somebody 17 18 or 16 years old most or 17 or 18 however, should not be using insulin. I asked you, or anybody for that matter to offer a valid legitimate explanation as to why they should not and nobody does. Because they cannot.

How many clients do you have? How many clients have you had? How many clients have you had? How many clients have you had compete? How many clients have you had actually turn pro? Much less even when a show or their class?

Have you even used insulin? Do you understand how it works?

I'd.bet the house on you not answering, much less giving me an explanation (for the 3rd or 4th fucking time).

I actually used insulin at 17. I actually spoke with Nasser ans Milo's about how to use it in '99 (about a week apart). I used MYSELF as a guinea pig to push the limits and find out what works and what doesn't.

I posted as InsulinShock for a reason since '99 till '06.

People were saying "oh, you're gonna die" when I was using 45iu's a day when these days you have guys using 100iu+ & 20yrs later w
Not to mention the guys, the wrestlers, were using maybe 6-8iu after weigh-ins or 3-4iu after training off-season if they were going up a weight-class

Not to mention when I came into the picture all these guys were doing was handfulls of winstrol and handfulls of Thermadrene (I doubt you even know what that was and you'll probably have to Google it).

I've been studying anabolics anabolic pharmacology since I had access to the internet rich means probably around 97 or so and that's not even counting the books on steroids and the "dangers" of steroids I read over and over and elementary School from 2nd fucking grade.

You don't fux forget I wanted to be a bodybuilder since age for when I was clicking the dial on the TV looking for my Teddy ruxpin cartoon and came across a bodybuilding contest and saw the likes of Lee Haney and Vince Taylor. My mom would go to the Jim and I would tag along as a young kid and sit in the lobby rating the bodybuilding magazines front to back over and over and over. I would watch the exercise and bodybuilding programs on ESPN during the Summers off of school starting with gilad and Kiana Tom, and musclesport use or whatever it was called (there's plenty clips on YouTube), I would do the exercises I would see on TV using what I had on hand which would be soup cans for curls and lateral extensions and a boombox for overhead tricep extensions and whatnot. I've been studying this shit and have forgotten more than you could learn if you studied the next 20 fucking years. I scour thrift stores book sections 4 endocrinology text books and PDRs. I have endocrinology textbooks from the from the 1950s. You numbskulls are completely clueless in life we have no idea that shit like Halotestin was prescribed to children age 10 or 12 to induce puberty, Marsh last anadrol is prescribed to anemic children at a dose of 300 to 450 mg per day for a minimum of 6 to 9 months and you dumbfucks freak out when somebody is using 150 mg a day when they're in good health and weigh 220 + pounds while the young kids are 80lbs and in poor health.

You idiots rely on bro-science and have NEVER opened an endocrinology textbooks, or even read a study on Medline/Pubmed.

1 - Having to explain to you why kids shouldn't use insulin is only a testament of your stupidity.
2 - Grace us with the names of the people you turned pro.   I'll wait.
3 - If you know so much, if you use so much, why do you look no better than a natural?  When I saw you IG page, it was 90% photos from the back and you hunching up your shoulder in an effort make it look like your traps were big (they were not).  From the front, you had a gunt. 

Don't ask me about how many clients I trained or whatever... I went to graduate school and stayed out of prison so I am not limited to the lower grunt work of the employment sector.

[SF1900]

ESFITNESS getting owned in this thread.

[LurkerNoMore]

ESFITNESS getting owned in this thread.

Delivering a UK Jeff style curb stomp.

[wes]

"Vast quantities of drugs"eh?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black. Coming from a tweaker. How many times did you stay up for a week and go through speed-psychosis? That doesn't happen with opiates. I'm not a tweaker or coke-head. Never have been. I don't even drink coffee usually. You on other hand have a brain ruined by stimulants that cause psychosis and drive you to steal your family's VCR and power tools to pawn so you could keep your little coke and meth binges going.

It's amazing how meth heads don't realize how they argue with everybody and never shut up, even after they get clean. Your brains remain ruined.

What`s amazing is the fact that you make up stories about me to suit your own agenda whereas I`m just stating facts about your lies and delusions.

[wes]

Be careful Wes.  This sounds dangerously close to disrespect.  Your thongs and trophy's will only buy you so much Mercy from ESF.

Ooops.......what was I thinking ?  lol  

[SOMEPARTS]

I remember the USMC guys having their annual pull-up contest at lunch my junior yr and I wanted to win and wanted the t-shirt so I took either a double or a triple serving (I believe double) with a couple handfuls of vanadal sulfate (about 60mg or so I believe). Thought my heart was gonna explode. Still won tho, and beat the senior wrestlers and got the tee-shirt. Only took about 18 to win. Did most overhand chins, then switched to rev grip pullups.

An SF1900 level story here, folks.

[Marvin Martian]

ESF - have YOU ever competed? If not why? I remember you as the insulinshock kid years ago. You have to know that many of the more experienced guys thought you were a wannabe know it all.
My guess is that you have never once stepped on stage - yet delude yourself into thinking you could. Admittedly I had pretty much stopped competing in BB by the time you came around - but I don’t constantly spew nonsense about being some kind of guru.
Don’t you have a child? Shouldn’t it be time to grow up and behave like a man? You don’t seem like a bad dude at heart - just terribly insecure and very much wanting to feel like you aren’t a loser. You aren’t even close to the most knowledgeable on the boards - but damn man that’s OK!! You don’t have to be.
As far as dangers of insulin - you sound foolish. If you’ve never met anyone who has been in an hypoglycemic induced coma I can assure that it’s no good. I knew a diabetic that simply forgot he had taken his insulin and re dosed. He left the office and was found later walking aimlessly nowhere near his vehicle. Went into a coma for a couple of months. Guy is a complete jellyhead now (I don’t mean that insulting)
Anyway - aren’t you only mid-30’s - you should be in prime years for the next decade so why not put all of your knowledge to use and at least win a small show?

[Big Tex C*ckburn, PhD]

Hahaha, love Eric's stories. Doped himself to the fucking gills in order to win a school sports day, and then "Staff Sgt Gordon" from the US Marines started following him around like a lost puppy for two years afterwards.



Tex.

[illuminati]

ESF - have YOU ever competed? If not why? I remember you as the insulinshock kid years ago. You have to know that many of the more experienced guys thought you were a wannabe know it all.
My guess is that you have never once stepped on stage - yet delude yourself into thinking you could. Admittedly I had pretty much stopped competing in BB by the time you came around - but I don’t constantly spew nonsense about being some kind of guru.
Don’t you have a child? Shouldn’t it be time to grow up and behave like a man? You don’t seem like a bad dude at heart - just terribly insecure and very much wanting to feel like you aren’t a loser. You aren’t even close to the most knowledgeable on the boards - but damn man that’s OK!! You don’t have to be.
As far as dangers of insulin - you sound foolish. If you’ve never met anyone who has been in an hypoglycemic induced coma I can assure that it’s no good. I knew a diabetic that simply forgot he had taken his insulin and re dosed. He left the office and was found later walking aimlessly nowhere near his vehicle. Went into a coma for a couple of months. Guy is a complete jellyhead now (I don’t mean that insulting)
Anyway - aren’t you only mid-30’s - you should be in prime years for the next decade so why not put all of your knowledge to use and at least win a small show?

Very good post
A lot of sound sense & advice

Let’s see what sort of Reasoned sensible reply you receive from him.........

[LurkerNoMore]

ESF - have YOU ever competed? If not why? I remember you as the insulinshock kid years ago. You have to know that many of the more experienced guys thought you were a wannabe know it all.
My guess is that you have never once stepped on stage - yet delude yourself into thinking you could. Admittedly I had pretty much stopped competing in BB by the time you came around - but I don’t constantly spew nonsense about being some kind of guru.
Don’t you have a child? Shouldn’t it be time to grow up and behave like a man? You don’t seem like a bad dude at heart - just terribly insecure and very much wanting to feel like you aren’t a loser. You aren’t even close to the most knowledgeable on the boards - but damn man that’s OK!! You don’t have to be.
As far as dangers of insulin - you sound foolish. If you’ve never met anyone who has been in an hypoglycemic induced coma I can assure that it’s no good. I knew a diabetic that simply forgot he had taken his insulin and re dosed. He left the office and was found later walking aimlessly nowhere near his vehicle. Went into a coma for a couple of months. Guy is a complete jellyhead now (I don’t mean that insulting)
Anyway - aren’t you only mid-30’s - you should be in prime years for the next decade so why not put all of your knowledge to use and at least win a small show?

Oh dear God.... this is going to trigger a fucking wall of text about some celebrity cartel member in hollywood rehab that went into a hypo coma still standing next to him at the urinal and his family wouldn't help him (because of him being a dick and all), so EFS performed some ancient forbidden revival method, so steeped in mystery it resulted in the SWAT team arriving and a shoot out occurring.  No one injured though cause EFS was doing one handed pull ups while shooting and his aim was off....   he only got probation afterwards though.

[wes]

Oh dear God.... this is going to trigger a fucking wall of text about some celebrity cartel member in hollywood rehab that went into a hypo coma still standing next to him at the urinal and his family wouldn't help him (because of him being a dick and all), so EFS performed some ancient forbidden revival method, so steeped in mystery it resulted in the SWAT team arriving and a shoot out occurring.  No one injured though cause EFS was doing one handed pull ups while shooting and his aim was off....   he only got probation afterwards though.

Fucking hilarious and right on the money !  LOL 

[LurkerNoMore]

Fucking hilarious and right on the money !  LOL 

Don't worry he will be right on here to tell us all about it after he finishes his 29 hour work day that is resulting in some random blueberry turning pro.

[wes]

[Powerlift66]

Looks like their still using. Bubble guts on stage all the time

Yup, the "bloofy, water-filled muscle suit of peace" look.

[Primemuscle]

Hahaha, love Eric's stories. Doped himself to the fucking gills in order to win a school sports day, and then "Staff Sgt Gordon" from the US Marines started following him around like a lost puppy for two years afterwards.



Tex.

Yeah, Eric's stories from his past are a bit far-fetched at times. But, that's how memories work. Overtime, everything gets bigger and more dramatic. It's not lying so much as just personal folklore. It is human nature to embellish our histories.

Personally, I like reading his posts because I find them entertaining most of the time. More-so when they are not posted as one long paragraph, which leaves me out of breath by the end. Some of his posts are repetitious. This happens when they are the same (old) story told slightly differently. He could use some new material.

[FitnessFrenzy]

[ESFitness]

What`s amazing is the fact that you make up stories about me to suit your own agenda whereas I`m just stating facts about your lies and delusions.

I make up stories about you? Haha , nope, I don't know anything about you other that what you've said about being a junkie and your friends being junkies who stole everything to pay for their dope... And you obviously know nothing about heroin, so that leaves what? Meth and coke for you.

And what am I lying about or delusional about?

ESF - have YOU ever competed? If not why? I remember you as the insulinshock kid years ago. You have to know that many of the more experienced guys thought you were a wannabe know it all.
My guess is that you have never once stepped on stage - yet delude yourself into thinking you could. Admittedly I had pretty much stopped competing in BB by the time you came around - but I don’t constantly spew nonsense about being some kind of guru.
Don’t you have a child? Shouldn’t it be time to grow up and behave like a man? You don’t seem like a bad dude at heart - just terribly insecure and very much wanting to feel like you aren’t a loser. You aren’t even close to the most knowledgeable on the boards - but damn man that’s OK!! You don’t have to be.
As far as dangers of insulin - you sound foolish. If you’ve never met anyone who has been in an hypoglycemic induced coma I can assure that it’s no good. I knew a diabetic that simply forgot he had taken his insulin and re dosed. He left the office and was found later walking aimlessly nowhere near his vehicle. Went into a coma for a couple of months. Guy is a complete jellyhead now (I don’t mean that insulting)
Anyway - aren’t you only mid-30’s - you should be in prime years for the next decade so why not put all of your knowledge to use and at least win a small show?

Nope. Never made it onstage. The 3x I attempted I ended up pulling out (San Diego championships, border states, and I forget if it was the orange county muscle classic or the San Diego championships again), all kinda back to back. Ended up in the hospital twice. Once with gastritis, couldn't eat and at the end, by day 9-12, I couldn't even swallow a sip of water without crazy pain in my stomach. That's zero food for 12days, and at the end, zero water for 3-4days, dropped from 218 down to the 180/190's and was planning on doing the superheavy class (I'm 6ft.. back then I was 6'1"/6'1.5"... Lost an inch and a half ovrr the years). Similar thing happened the next one, except with renal faliure. Last one I had other shit to deal with (issue with another dealer, long story. Ppl from Mayhem might remember), newborn baby, and was in hospital for 10days with pancreatitis.

Back then I was always having to diet-up for the shows, (except the 3rd, I was fine) as I don't carry a ton of muscle naturally. Took a while to get to where I'd walk around at 225-235 without pushing the envelope chemical-wise. Not to mention dealing with injuries. Neck, shoulder, bicep etc..

So your therory is that because I don't have the genetics, or even desire, to compete, that I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to training, nutrition, or anabolics? Hahaha says a lot about you.

You idiots like to believe the naritive dolts like to paint about me (Jeff, Wes, Josh, the fat black with the missing front tooth, whatever his name is, etc whoever)... The dolts who follow me around from thread to thread.

You EVER see me following people into threads and trolling them? I don't care about them.. I don't think about them, whereas Im somehow occupying a lot of space in their brain and their life. Hell, look at this thread. I didn't start it, I gotta text telling me about it and I wasn't even on the board anymore. I asked to be "deleted" as I was dealing with a private investigator and a gf's baby's psycho father and her believing he was gonna kill her and she didn't want him to have the baby, she wanted me to adopt him, and he'd likely use stuff from here against me. Spoken with mods here (&Ron) about it, as well as ppl off the board. I wasn't even checking in here anymore. This place is just partly entertaining, whereas some of you people live here and think about this place while you're eating breakfast, driving to work, at work, eating lunch, eating dinner, picking up your kids from school, fucking your boyfriend's, etc.etc.etc... I have other shit to worry about. I have other shit that's more interesting to me for instance looking at this $0.05 Euro coin from espana or this 5¢ "Wu jiao" from China in my hand is more interesting than anything going on with any of you morons. I'm amazed you even remember anything about me, because I don't recall anything about you. Maybe I should take that as a compliment I'd rather be memorable than forgettable even if most of shit you remember about me is made up by somebody else