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they got everyone to lie about Kennedy and 9/11, there must have been thousands involved
Same with Chemtrails and the moon landings

Come on, dont you realsie anything can be faked

Kennedy was shot by oswald alone and the evidence is conclusive.Was there a wider conspiracy where he was pushed towards shooting him?nobody knows.

We are getting in to the territory now where you are saying nothing can be proved.Did ronnie even win the 2000 olympia, was he even there?we only have video and photos, and they can be faked.All the eyewitneses could be in on the conspiracy and lying.so what do we have to go on?

if the Navy had been there we'd have arguably the most trustworthy entity in the world to verfiy ronnie.Not only could they have videod him, they could have got his infrared signature from the flir camera, captured him on radar.Then had the top navy workers verify he was there, the Navy itself could have verified it as a collective, the pentagon too, and the president could announce on tv he had heard about people seeing ronnie, and he believes the people in the navy that say they did.

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Kennedy was shot by oswald alone and the evidence is conclusive.Was there a wider conspiracy where he was pushed towards shooting him?nobody knows.

We are getting in to the territory now where you are saying nothing can be proved.Did ronnie even win the 2000 olympia, was he even there?we only have video and photos, and they can be faked.All the eyewitneses could be in on the conspiracy and lying.so what do we have to go on?

if the Navy had been there we'd have arguably the most trustworthy entity in the world to verfiy ronnie.Not only could they have videod him, they could have got his infrared signature from the flir camera, captured him on radar.Then had the top navy workers verify he was there, the Navy itself could have verified it as a collective, the pentagon too, and the president could announce on tv he had heard about people seeing ronnie, and he believes the people in the navy that say they did.

the "Navy" cant do anything, its a fictional entity, ony people in the Navy can do something, and they are people..

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the "Navy" cant do anything, its a fictional entity, ony people in the Navy can do something, and they are people..

Still, who is more trustworthy, palumbo, shawn ray,chic and co or the US Navy?what is more accurate for confirming the presence of a physical thing, a 480p olympia camera or a 2 million dollar flir camera and a multi billon dollar radar system?

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Still, who is more trustworthy, palumbo, shawn ray,chic and co or the US Navy?what is more accurate for confirming the presence of a physical thing, a 480p olympia camera or a 2 million dollar flir camera and a multi billon dollar radar system?

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Exactly.Any camera that doesnt send positional and size data on the object it is filming to a huge organisation with a chain of command which cannot be corrupted is worthless.Im glad you agree with me.case closed.

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how much funding goes into UFO research?

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how much funding goes into UFO research?

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how much funding goes into UFO research?

That issue is mentioned in the video I posted.

A large amount of the US military budget is unaccounted for, going to departments which are above the clearance of even the President.

As crazy as it sounds, there are parts of the military and intelligence which are inaccessible to the President, as he is seen as a temporary employee.

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That issue is mentioned in the video I posted.

A large amount of the US military budget is unaccounted for, going to departments which are above the clearance of even the President.

As crazy as it sounds, there are parts of the military and intelligence which are inaccessible to the President, as he is seen as a temporary employee.

so as long as the suspicion of extra terrestrial life stays in the news the funding continues, now, I wonder why they might fake videos....

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Army, with respect, you're misunderstanding my point. The Navy wouldn't need to be 'in on it', and the pilots are likely telling the truth too. The pilot in the video you posted seems like a genuine guy. Let's assume the eyewitness accounts and the radar readings are accurate: this still doesn’t get us anywhere. Firstly, as I said earlier, the civilian population assigns a degree of credibility to these guys without really understanding their roles. It sounds impressive stating that he 'protected our skies after 9/11' but it’s got nothing to do with the fact that he wouldn't have a clue about various top-secret military/intelligence operations. You wouldn't require a pilot to fly these things as they couldn't handle the g-force, and you wouldn't have pilots developing the technology required, either.

It's also possible that what they witnessed was the latest Chinese or Russian technology and that's why they were so confused. Forgive how unorganised and rambling this is but let's address probably the most important point first, namely the claim that these things 'break the laws of physics'. They don't. At least, nobody has put forward any evidence demonstrating that, and even that bearded guy in the video you posted stated that 'we understand how these craft work [...] they don't break our laws of physics'. He claims that we lack the fuel and material to build it.

Second point: governments lie, and they demonstrably lie all the time. There has always been a clear incongruity between what states claim to be doing and what they're actually doing. I'm being simplistic here but power structures seek to maintain power. The CIA and other intelligence/defense agencies are arms of the government and operate under plausible deniability. They don't exist to bring you the truth and you can take it as a given that most public statements from them, especially on issues such as military technology, are propagandistic. The fact that the public can regurgitate their propaganda without shame, and focus on issues such as extraterrestrial aliens without paying attention to contemporary foreign policy issues of extreme importance (e.g. the war in Yemen, Iran conflict, etc) is testament to the effectiveness of this indoctrination system.

As to why they would do this, as I stated before, there is an arms race of sorts going on, and it is centered around space. The UK's Aerospace, Defence, Security and Space group had a turnover of £31.8 billion in 2017 and it's still rising. Rolls-Royce has recently been awarded a contract to work alongside the MoD and develop 'hypersonic propulsion systems for increased aircraft performance and capability'. The US funds similar programmes: 'In May, the House Appropriations Committee approved a bill that allocates $22.3 billion to NASA — including $125 million to develop nuclear thermal propulsion tech. Congress also provided $100 million for the same purpose in fiscal year 2019.' You can read about their Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 which reached Mach 20 before crashing into the ocean in 2011.

China (alongside Russia and other states) has spent billions these past few years developing Cold War-era 'molten-salt nuclear' technology to power drones, and it's something that the US had been working on since then, too: 'The US air force built a 2.5-megawatt molten salt reactor in the 1950s as part of a programme to develop nuclear-powered aircraft engines.'

If you click on the link below about spacecraft and nuclear propulsion you can watch the NSC briefing video where the issue is discussed a little:

'Bridenstine also stressed the utility of nuclear thermal propulsion for applications closer to home. For example, the increased power could potentially allow Earth-orbiting craft to steer out of the line of fire of anti-satellite weapons, he said. Such weapons are being developed by both China and Russia, Joseph Maguire, the U.S. acting Director of National Intelligence, said during the NSC meeting today.'

"Both countries view the capability to attack space systems and services as part of their broader efforts to deter or defeat an adversary in combat," Maguire said. "In short, the threat to U.S. and allied space systems continues to grow unabated."
https://www.space.com/nuclear-propulsion-future-spacecraft-nasa-chief.html

As demonstrated in another piece I provided earlier, it's well-known that most of this technology is classified and will not be made public for various reasons. It's easy to speculate about a number of these reasons, including possible violations of 'The Outer Space Treaty' and other similar treaties which have been ratified. Or the fact that if other states catch on to the latest drone technology, it may be argued that this could lead to surreptitious nuclear weapons proliferation.

There's scepticism simply for the sake of being a contrarian and then there's actually looking at facts and probability. When one looks at the facts, I don't believe there's anything to suggest alien encounters. If one wishes to take the position that these are indeed alien craft, with advanced technology and an understanding of physics far beyond our comprehension, then they must accept that these aliens are much more intelligent than us. Why, then, would they need to fly around nuclear sites and naval bases to study us, and why would they designate themselves only to these areas? If they had some 'warning' about our nuclear technology then why not make it explicit? Or if they had this advanced technology and simply wanted to observe, then they'd surely have the ability to do this unbeknownst to us. They'd also likely respond to the numerous 'signals' that have been sent into space for decades, and be spotted by the millions of people who stargaze every night and the professional scientists who study planets through massive telescopes and computers. There's simply no evidence at all to accept the alien version of events.

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Personally I doubt very much we are alone in the universe
As to what other life forms maybe & if they are advanced or not
I’d say the Likely hood is some are & some aren’t.
Can they traverse space ?? Who knows.
Are their advanced forms of flying crafts being tested & developed
By Variuos Countries, Almost Certainly.

One way or another that still leaves us with Unidentified Flying Objects.
Be what they May. 

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Army, with respect, you're misunderstanding my point. The Navy wouldn't need to be 'in on it', and the pilots are likely telling the truth too. The pilot in the video you posted seems like a genuine guy. Let's assume the eyewitness accounts and the radar readings are accurate: this still doesn’t get us anywhere. Firstly, as I said earlier, the civilian population assigns a degree of credibility to these guys without really understanding their roles. It sounds impressive stating that he 'protected our skies after 9/11' but it’s got nothing to do with the fact that he wouldn't have a clue about various top-secret military/intelligence operations. You wouldn't require a pilot to fly these things as they couldn't handle the g-force, and you wouldn't have pilots developing the technology required, either.

It's also possible that what they witnessed was the latest Chinese or Russian technology and that's why they were so confused. Forgive how unorganised and rambling this is but let's address probably the most important point first, namely the claim that these things 'break the laws of physics'. They don't. At least, nobody has put forward any evidence demonstrating that, and even that bearded guy in the video you posted stated that 'we understand how these craft work [...] they don't break our laws of physics'. He claims that we lack the fuel and material to build it.

Second point: governments lie, and they demonstrably lie all the time. There has always been a clear incongruity between what states claim to be doing and what they're actually doing. I'm being simplistic here but power structures seek to maintain power. The CIA and other intelligence/defense agencies are arms of the government and operate under plausible deniability. They don't exist to bring you the truth and you can take it as a given that most public statements from them, especially on issues such as military technology, are propagandistic. The fact that the public can regurgitate their propaganda without shame, and focus on issues such as extraterrestrial aliens without paying attention to contemporary foreign policy issues of extreme importance (e.g. the war in Yemen, Iran conflict, etc) is testament to the effectiveness of this indoctrination system.

As to why they would do this, as I stated before, there is an arms race of sorts going on, and it is centered around space. The UK's Aerospace, Defence, Security and Space group had a turnover of £31.8 billion in 2017 and it's still rising. Rolls-Royce has recently been awarded a contract to work alongside the MoD and develop 'hypersonic propulsion systems for increased aircraft performance and capability'. The US funds similar programmes: 'In May, the House Appropriations Committee approved a bill that allocates $22.3 billion to NASA — including $125 million to develop nuclear thermal propulsion tech. Congress also provided $100 million for the same purpose in fiscal year 2019.' You can read about their Falcon Hypersonic Technology Vehicle 2 which reached Mach 20 before crashing into the ocean in 2011.

China (alongside Russia and other states) has spent billions these past few years developing Cold War-era 'molten-salt nuclear' technology to power drones, and it's something that the US had been working on since then, too: 'The US air force built a 2.5-megawatt molten salt reactor in the 1950s as part of a programme to develop nuclear-powered aircraft engines.'

If you click on the link below about spacecraft and nuclear propulsion you can watch the NSC briefing video where the issue is discussed a little:

'Bridenstine also stressed the utility of nuclear thermal propulsion for applications closer to home. For example, the increased power could potentially allow Earth-orbiting craft to steer out of the line of fire of anti-satellite weapons, he said. Such weapons are being developed by both China and Russia, Joseph Maguire, the U.S. acting Director of National Intelligence, said during the NSC meeting today.'

"Both countries view the capability to attack space systems and services as part of their broader efforts to deter or defeat an adversary in combat," Maguire said. "In short, the threat to U.S. and allied space systems continues to grow unabated."
https://www.space.com/nuclear-propulsion-future-spacecraft-nasa-chief.html

As demonstrated in another piece I provided earlier, it's well-known that most of this technology is classified and will not be made public for various reasons. It's easy to speculate about a number of these reasons, including possible violations of 'The Outer Space Treaty' and other similar treaties which have been ratified. Or the fact that if other states catch on to the latest drone technology, it may be argued that this could lead to surreptitious nuclear weapons proliferation.

There's scepticism simply for the sake of being a contrarian and then there's actually looking at facts and probability. When one looks at the facts, I don't believe there's anything to suggest alien encounters. If one wishes to take the position that these are indeed alien craft, with advanced technology and an understanding of physics far beyond our comprehension, then they must accept that these aliens are much more intelligent than us. Why, then, would they need to fly around nuclear sites and naval bases to study us, and why would they designate themselves only to these areas? If they had some 'warning' about nuclear technology then why not make it explicit? Or if they had this technology and simply wanted to observe, then they'd surely have the ability to do this unbeknownst to us. They'd also likely respond to the numerous 'signals' that have been sent into space for decades, and be spotted by the millions of people who stargaze every night and the professional scientists who study planets through massive telescopes and computers. There's simply no evidence at all to accept the alien version of events.


If you think the USA or Russians or Chinese have this tech then you have to accept they had it for 70 plus years.Humans having this tech is practically nil unless it was handed to us by a far older and superior civilization.If we had it, physics and engineering curriculums would have entire courses dedicated to the power supply, engine, airframe materials etc. it is absolutely impossible to hide a fundamental paradigm shift in engineering like that had we created it with no outside help. We would have also seen intermediary tech spring up in military and space craft over the last several decades. The amount of people involved and knowledgeable of the tech would be in the 10s if not 100s of thousands and China would have already ripped it off and crashed a few of them by now.

Some people think you can just rewrite the human understanding of physics in some secret gov lab somewhere and that’s just not possible. Stuff like developing drones is a joke and a natural evolution of tech; anyone having seen an RC airplane in the 1960s could have easily theory-crafted an mq9. Stealth tech was just giving some thought about radar reflections and was theoretically possible 80 years ago. Then there’s these tic tacs which pull so many gs that a solid steel sphere would have deformed from them, let alone an airframe. And expend so much energy from their time aloft, accelerations, and maneuvers that it would be taxing the average nuclear power stations output.

Going from 80k feet to 50 in 2 seconds?.That would require about 1500 g's (15,000 fps/s) sustained acceleration instantaneously followed by -1500 g's to stop from hitting the water.It also means reaching a top speed of 20,000 mph (orbital velocity; 10X speed of a bullet) in just two seconds, then "slamming on the brakes" to get back to 0 mph just two seconds later.Can you imagine the aerodynamic heating at 20,000 mph not leaving a thermal signature, no exhaust or plume of hot air in its wake? Can you imagine the forces involved in those maneuvers and having a structure survive? No, I can't either.

If its us then we found or were given these craft.No way we had them 70 plus years ago or skipped hundreds or possibly thousands of years of technology evolution.It just does not work that way.

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If you think the USA or Russians or Chinese have this tech then you have to accept they had it for 70 plus years.Humans having this tech is practically nil unless it was handed to us by a far older and superior civilization.If we had it, physics and engineering curriculums would have entire courses dedicated to the power supply, engine, airframe materials etc. it is absolutely impossible to hide a fundamental paradigm shift in engineering like that had we created it with no outside help. We would have also seen intermediary tech spring up in military and space craft over the last several decades. The amount of people involved and knowledgeable of the tech would be in the 10s if not 100s of thousands and China would have already ripped it off and crashed a few of them by now.

Some people think you can just rewrite the human understanding of physics in some secret gov lab somewhere and that’s just not possible. Stuff like developing drones is a joke and a natural evolution of tech; anyone having seen an RC airplane in the 1960s could have easily theory-crafted an mq9. Stealth tech was just giving some thought about radar reflections and was theoretically possible 80 years ago. Then there’s these tic tacs which pull so many gs that a solid steel sphere would have deformed from them, let alone an airframe. And expend so much energy from their time aloft, accelerations, and maneuvers that it would be taxing the average nuclear power stations output.

Going from 80k feet to 50 in 2 seconds?.That would require about 1500 g's (15,000 fps/s) sustained acceleration instantaneously followed by -1500 g's to stop from hitting the water.It also means reaching a top speed of 20,000 mph (orbital velocity; 10X speed of a bullet) in just two seconds, then "slamming on the brakes" to get back to 0 mph just two seconds later.Can you imagine the aerodynamic heating at 20,000 mph not leaving a thermal signature, no exhaust or plume of hot air in its wake? Can you imagine the forces involved in those maneuvers and having a structure survive? No, I can't either.

If its us then we found or were given these craft.No way we had them 70 plus years ago or skipped hundreds or possibly thousands of years of technology evolution.It just does not work that way.

do you think people 50 years ago thought that everyone would be walking around linked into a huge mainframe by a handheld computor and able to video phone someone on the other side of the planet?

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do you think people 50 years ago thought that everyone would be walking around linked into a huge mainframe by a handheld computor and able to video phone someone on the other side of the planet?

Comparing shrinking down tvs, phones and computers, things we had at time,  and merging them to 1 device, to the things these craft can do isnt even in the same statosphere in technology evolution.

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Comparing shrinking down tvs, phones and computers, things we had at time,  and merging them to 1 device, to the things these craft can do is not even comparable.
the point is that science and progress is coming on leaps and bounds, we have jumped further in the last 100 years that we did in the last 10,000

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the point is that science and progress is coming on leaps and bounds, we have jumped further in the last 100 years that we did in the last 10,000

The point is the phone, computer and tv shrinking down was a natural tech evolution than can be tracked through time.The transition from the jet engine to these things has never happened, and what they are doing is seen as impossible IN THEORY ALONE to the majority of physicists TODAY.

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The point is the phone, computer and tv shrinking down was a natural tech evolution than can be tracked through time.The transition from the jet engine to these things has never happened, and what they are doing is seen as impossible IN THEORY ALONE to the majority of physicists TODAY.
and planes going smaller and faster isn't?

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 Then there’s these tic tacs which pull so many gs that a solid steel sphere would have deformed from them, let alone an airframe. And expend so much energy from their time aloft, accelerations, and maneuvers that it would be taxing the average nuclear power stations output.

Going from 80k feet to 50 in 2 seconds?.That would require about 1500 g's (15,000 fps/s) sustained acceleration instantaneously followed by -1500 g's to stop from hitting the water.It also means reaching a top speed of 20,000 mph (orbital velocity; 10X speed of a bullet) in just two seconds, then "slamming on the brakes" to get back to 0 mph just two seconds later.Can you imagine the aerodynamic heating at 20,000 mph not leaving a thermal signature, no exhaust or plume of hot air in its wake? Can you imagine the forces involved in those maneuvers and having a structure survive? No, I can't either.

If its us then we found or were given these craft.No way we had them 70 plus years ago or skipped hundreds or possibly thousands of years of technology evolution.It just does not work that way.

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they got everyone to lie about Kennedy and 9/11, there must have been thousands involved
Same with Chemtrails and the moon landings

Come on, dont you realsie anything can be faked


Another simple Truther? So what do you believe and what is your test of truth?

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Another simple Truther? So what do you believe and what is your test of truth?

Im not a truther, Im just pointing out that on one hand we have people banging on about huge conspiricies being possible then totally ignoring the fact that these little alien space crafts couldnt posibly be made up.

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Im not a truther, Im just pointing out that on one hand we have people banging on about huge conspiricies being possible then totally ignoring the fact that these little alien space crafts couldnt posibly be made up.


It is a fact that Wiggs believes all manner of rubbish. The internet and especially YouTube contains rubbish as well as good information. Without a deeper education and a valid test of truth most people have no way of knowing what to believe.

We accept there are unidentified phenomena but there is no proof re objects and zero re aliens.

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Proof or not it`s a bit hard to imagine that in this vast solar system we are the sole inhabitants.

Just doesn`t seem feasable.

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Proof or not it`s a bit hard to imagine that in this vast solar system we are the sole inhabitants.

Just doesn`t seem feasable.


Yes the universe is vast.  So far we have no evidence of life anywhere else let alone intelligent life.

We might never know!

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