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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #100 on: October 04, 2019, 07:03:42 PM »
So, this is how you think Trump should be spending his time? Chatting it up with foreign leaders to find out what they may have on his political opponents? Aren't there people, like the CIA, who are trained to investigate corruption who Tump should be relying on?  And let's not ignore the quid pro quo possibilities. Don't be so naive.

Were you or are you also a birther like Trump?

Now that's rich.  The person who sticks his head in the sand, repeatedly, calls me naive.  lol

You apparently expect corruption to go unchecked. In fact, you refused to even watch Biden's own words, all 90 seconds of them, where he directly admits to corruption. 

No I wasn't a birther.  That was a stupid conspiracy theory.  Just like the Russia conspiracy theory was stupid.  But you bought it.  lol

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #101 on: October 05, 2019, 07:46:17 AM »
And by "dirt" you mean investigating corruption. 

This is the cover I’m referring to. Cmon man you used to be able to at least call a spade a spade. You’ve gone all Soul and Coach on us. You know the evidence that he actually admitted to is wrong in its face and resembles banana republic administrations. At least admit that this looks horrible. Don’t try to act like everything is on the up and up

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #102 on: October 05, 2019, 10:03:33 AM »
This is the cover I’m referring to. Cmon man you used to be able to at least call a spade a spade. You’ve gone all Soul and Coach on us. You know the evidence that he actually admitted to is wrong in its face and resembles banana republic administrations. At least admit that this looks horrible. Don’t try to act like everything is on the up and up

Biden is on tape admitting to holding back money unless they fired the prosecutor

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #103 on: October 05, 2019, 11:15:57 AM »
Biden is on tape admitting to holding back money unless they fired the prosecutor

CNN or MSNBC didn’t tell him that

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #104 on: October 08, 2019, 04:03:11 PM »
This is the cover I’m referring to. Cmon man you used to be able to at least call a spade a spade. You’ve gone all Soul and Coach on us. You know the evidence that he actually admitted to is wrong in its face and resembles banana republic administrations. At least admit that this looks horrible. Don’t try to act like everything is on the up and up

The evidence you are referring to is the transcript of his phone call with the President of Ukraine.  There is absolutely nothing in that transcript that shows evidence of a crime. 

I don't think it looks horrible.  What looks horrible is the repeated attempts to set this man up.  You should be very concerned about the massive abuses of power we have seen the past couple years, all in an attempt to try and undo the 2016 election.  And you know why they are manufacturing this stuff?  Because they cannot win on the issues.  They are afraid of simply putting out their ideas and having a vote based on policy. 

Here is one of the rare moments of truth, where Congressman Green admitted they are trying to impeach Trump because they cannot beat him on the issues:

Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, one of the first lawmakers who called for President Trump's impeachment, expressed his fears on Saturday that if Democrats don't pursue his ousting, Trump "will get reelected."

Green was asked on MSNBC about how unpopular impeachment was among voters. MSNBC correspondent Phillip Mena pressed him with recent polling numbers from Quinnipiac showing 66 percent of voters were against impeachment -- including 38 percent of Democrats and 70 percent of independents.

"Are you concerned that impeachment talk may actually help the president's reelection?" Mena asked.

"I'm concerned that if we don't impeach the president, he will get reelected," Green responded. "If we don't impeach him, he will say that he has been vindicated, he will say the Democrats had an overwhelming majority in the House and they didn't take up impeachment. he will say that we had a constitutional duty to do it if it was there and we didn't. He will say that he has been vindicated."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-al-green-trump-elected-not-impeached

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #105 on: October 08, 2019, 04:54:30 PM »
Trump will be impeached/removed or the United States will cease to exist as a country.


He is a traitor. Anyone who supports him is a traitor.


There is no gray area on this.

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #106 on: October 08, 2019, 05:23:00 PM »
Trump will be impeached/removed or the United States will cease to exist as a country.


He is a traitor. Anyone who supports him is a traitor.


There is no gray area on this.

This seems a bit extreme, but no more extreme than what the other side says.

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #107 on: October 08, 2019, 06:55:19 PM »
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1181648238417453056



"The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony."



It goes on.....

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #108 on: October 08, 2019, 07:38:58 PM »
Trump will be impeached/removed or the United States will cease to exist as a country.


He is a traitor. Anyone who supports him is a traitor.


There is no gray area on this.

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #109 on: October 08, 2019, 07:43:29 PM »
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1181648238417453056



"The IC inspector general told lawmakers that the Trump-Ukraine whistleblower had a working relationship with one of the current 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, according to three sources with knowledge of the testimony."



It goes on.....

Not surprised. 

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #110 on: October 08, 2019, 07:49:34 PM »
Whistleblower #1 = John Brennan

Whistleblower #2 = James Clapper

President Donald Trump is going to win 47-48 states in 2020 !

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #111 on: October 08, 2019, 07:53:59 PM »
Whistleblower #1 = John Brennan

Whistleblower #2 = James Clapper

President Donald Trump is going to win 47-48 states in 2020 !

Well he's not winning Hawaii.  lol 

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #112 on: October 08, 2019, 08:03:44 PM »
Well he's not winning Hawaii.  lol 

Probably doesn’t win Illinois or California either.

But definitely the other 47 states.

(Barry Sotero...FYI, there are still only 50 states)

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #113 on: October 08, 2019, 08:07:18 PM »
Probably doesn’t win Illinois or California either.

But definitely the other 47 states.

(Barry Sotero...FYI, there are still only 50 states)

You're right, he's got New York and New Jersey locked down.

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #114 on: October 08, 2019, 08:24:58 PM »
Probably doesn’t win Illinois or California either.

But definitely the other 47 states.

(Barry Sotero...FYI, there are still only 50 states)

No way does he win California either. 

But seriously, even though it's still early, he is sailing towards reelection, which is why Democrats are in a panic trying to take him down. 

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #115 on: October 08, 2019, 09:14:16 PM »
Impeaching Trump Voters

It’s revenge for 2016, and nervousness about Democratic prospects for 2020.

For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is everything Democrats say he is: a president
who abuses his national-security powers by siccing a foreign government on his political rival, a racist/bigot/nativist
constantly using “dog whistles” to stoke division, a man uniquely unfit to sit in the Oval Office.

Assume Mr. Trump is all these things. With an election scarcely a year away, the question then becomes:
Why impeach him now? Surely a president as abominable as this ought to be easy to defeat at the polls.
Mr. Trump would appear to be especially vulnerable, given that last time he lost the national popular vote
and won several battleground states by razor-thin margins.

The answer speaks as much to what Democrats think of Trump voters—they don’t trust them—as it does
to what they think of Mr. Trump. In this sense, the push for impeachment now may reflect a lack of Democratic
confidence that they can persuade enough of the voters who went for Mr. Trump last time to give them the
margins they need for victory come November 2020.

The lack of confidence extends to doubts about each of their leading candidates. It’s no secret that many
Democrats worry Joe Biden isn’t up to the job of taking on Mr. Trump. So long as Ukraine is in the news,
stories about Hunter Biden’s sweetheart deal with a Ukrainian gas company will be in the news as well.
Other Democrats, meanwhile, worry that Elizabeth Warren is too far left to win. And Bernie Sanders’s heart
attack probably spells the end of any chance he might have had at the nomination.

A year ago, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler told Roll Call that before using impeachment
to overturn the results of the last election, Democrats would have to answer this question: “Do you think that
the case is so stark, that the offenses are so terrible and the proof so clear, that once you’ve laid it all
out you will have convinced an appreciable fraction of the people who voted for Trump, who like him, that
you had no choice? That you had to do it?”


We are nowhere close to meeting the Nadler standard. True, public support for impeachment is up since news of
Mr. Trump’s phone conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart broke. A FiveThirtyEight.com average of all the
impeachment polls finds 46.5% for and 44.8% against. More telling is the divide the numbers show when they
are broken down by party. While 79.1% of Democrats want impeachment, the number drops to 41.3% for independents
and only 12.5% for Republicans.

So why the rush? Maybe because in addition to concerns about 2020, there’s an itch to punish Trump voters for
what they did in 2016. In other words, it isn’t enough that Mr. Trump be defeated. His whole presidency must be
delegitimized—along with the people who voted him in.


In 2016 Hillary Clinton famously expressed this contempt for Trump voters when she told wealthy donors at a
Manhattan fundraiser “you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.”

She went on. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it. And unfortunately there
are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

In “Chasing Hillary: Ten Years, Two Presidential Campaigns, and One Intact Glass Ceiling,” reporter Amy Chozick
confirms this was no one-off gaffe. Mrs. Clinton, she reports, used the line repeatedly to Democratic audiences she
knew would appreciate the sentiment.

“The Deplorables always got a laugh, over living-room chats in the Hamptons, at dinner parties under the stars on
Martha’s Vineyard, over passed hors d’oeuvres in Beverly Hills, and during sunset cocktails in Silicon Valley,” wrote
Ms. Chozick. The unspoken corollary is that only a morally debased citizenry could have freely chosen Mr. Trump over
Mrs. Clinton.

Today few publicly call Trump voters “deplorable.” But the assumption remains. Remember that high-school kid from
Covington, Ky., who was accosted by a Native American activist? Simply because he was wearing a “Make America
Great Again” hat, the 16-year-old was instantly transformed into the face of white supremacy by a good part of the
American media.


When the facts finally emerged, of course, they told a much different story. But what happened to that Covington
student could not have happened without many in positions of influence unthinkingly sharing the view that people
who wear MAGA hats are what Mrs. Clinton says they are. Trump voters get this, while it doesn’t seem to occur to
Democrats that the president’s supporters stick with him in part because they appreciate that the Trump hatred is
directed at them as well.

In a poem written after East German workers rose up against their communist overlords in 1953, the playwright
Bertolt Brecht suggested that if the government was dissatisfied with the lack of appreciation from its countrymen,
perhaps it ought to “dissolve the people and elect another.” He meant it as irony. Some of those pushing hardest for
impeachment appear to be taking it more literally.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeaching-trump-voters-11570487810?shareToken=st33eff57c00d646adb521790ac0abf122

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #116 on: October 09, 2019, 04:31:24 AM »
Yup - libqueers still can't get over 2016

Impeaching Trump Voters

It’s revenge for 2016, and nervousness about Democratic prospects for 2020.

For the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Donald Trump is everything Democrats say he is: a president
who abuses his national-security powers by siccing a foreign government on his political rival, a racist/bigot/nativist
constantly using “dog whistles” to stoke division, a man uniquely unfit to sit in the Oval Office.

Assume Mr. Trump is all these things. With an election scarcely a year away, the question then becomes:
Why impeach him now? Surely a president as abominable as this ought to be easy to defeat at the polls.
Mr. Trump would appear to be especially vulnerable, given that last time he lost the national popular vote
and won several battleground states by razor-thin margins.

The answer speaks as much to what Democrats think of Trump voters—they don’t trust them—as it does
to what they think of Mr. Trump. In this sense, the push for impeachment now may reflect a lack of Democratic
confidence that they can persuade enough of the voters who went for Mr. Trump last time to give them the
margins they need for victory come November 2020.

The lack of confidence extends to doubts about each of their leading candidates. It’s no secret that many
Democrats worry Joe Biden isn’t up to the job of taking on Mr. Trump. So long as Ukraine is in the news,
stories about Hunter Biden’s sweetheart deal with a Ukrainian gas company will be in the news as well.
Other Democrats, meanwhile, worry that Elizabeth Warren is too far left to win. And Bernie Sanders’s heart
attack probably spells the end of any chance he might have had at the nomination.

A year ago, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler told Roll Call that before using impeachment
to overturn the results of the last election, Democrats would have to answer this question: “Do you think that
the case is so stark, that the offenses are so terrible and the proof so clear, that once you’ve laid it all
out you will have convinced an appreciable fraction of the people who voted for Trump, who like him, that
you had no choice? That you had to do it?”


We are nowhere close to meeting the Nadler standard. True, public support for impeachment is up since news of
Mr. Trump’s phone conversation with his Ukrainian counterpart broke. A FiveThirtyEight.com average of all the
impeachment polls finds 46.5% for and 44.8% against. More telling is the divide the numbers show when they
are broken down by party. While 79.1% of Democrats want impeachment, the number drops to 41.3% for independents
and only 12.5% for Republicans.

So why the rush? Maybe because in addition to concerns about 2020, there’s an itch to punish Trump voters for
what they did in 2016. In other words, it isn’t enough that Mr. Trump be defeated. His whole presidency must be
delegitimized—along with the people who voted him in.


In 2016 Hillary Clinton famously expressed this contempt for Trump voters when she told wealthy donors at a
Manhattan fundraiser “you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables.”

She went on. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic—you name it. And unfortunately there
are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

In “Chasing Hillary: Ten Years, Two Presidential Campaigns, and One Intact Glass Ceiling,” reporter Amy Chozick
confirms this was no one-off gaffe. Mrs. Clinton, she reports, used the line repeatedly to Democratic audiences she
knew would appreciate the sentiment.

“The Deplorables always got a laugh, over living-room chats in the Hamptons, at dinner parties under the stars on
Martha’s Vineyard, over passed hors d’oeuvres in Beverly Hills, and during sunset cocktails in Silicon Valley,” wrote
Ms. Chozick. The unspoken corollary is that only a morally debased citizenry could have freely chosen Mr. Trump over
Mrs. Clinton.

Today few publicly call Trump voters “deplorable.” But the assumption remains. Remember that high-school kid from
Covington, Ky., who was accosted by a Native American activist? Simply because he was wearing a “Make America
Great Again” hat, the 16-year-old was instantly transformed into the face of white supremacy by a good part of the
American media.


When the facts finally emerged, of course, they told a much different story. But what happened to that Covington
student could not have happened without many in positions of influence unthinkingly sharing the view that people
who wear MAGA hats are what Mrs. Clinton says they are. Trump voters get this, while it doesn’t seem to occur to
Democrats that the president’s supporters stick with him in part because they appreciate that the Trump hatred is
directed at them as well.

In a poem written after East German workers rose up against their communist overlords in 1953, the playwright
Bertolt Brecht suggested that if the government was dissatisfied with the lack of appreciation from its countrymen,
perhaps it ought to “dissolve the people and elect another.” He meant it as irony. Some of those pushing hardest for
impeachment appear to be taking it more literally.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/impeaching-trump-voters-11570487810?shareToken=st33eff57c00d646adb521790ac0abf122

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #117 on: October 09, 2019, 05:12:19 AM »
Trump will be impeached/removed or the United States will cease to exist as a country.


He is a traitor. Anyone who supports him is a traitor.


There is no gray area on this.

Asian American unemployment is at an all time low.... get a fuckin job bitch

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #118 on: October 09, 2019, 05:12:49 AM »
Yup - libqueers still can't get over 2016


Couple that with the candidates that are leading, outside of Biden, are all far left and unelectable.

Pure panic.

Think about it - millions of dollars and a two year thorough investigation were not enough to start an impeachment inquiry, but second hand knowledge of a phone call was?

LOL.
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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #119 on: October 09, 2019, 06:22:55 AM »
Couple that with the candidates that are leading, outside of Biden, are all far left and unelectable.

Pure panic.

Think about it - millions of dollars and a two year thorough investigation were not enough to start an impeachment inquiry, but second hand knowledge of a phone call was?

LOL.

New information out today. The Ukraine was already investigating the Bidens for months before the phone call with President Trump.

So there goes the quid pro quo hoax.

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #120 on: October 09, 2019, 09:57:15 AM »
New information out today. The Ukraine was already investigating the Bidens for months before the phone call with President Trump.

So there goes the quid pro quo hoax.

haaa haaa Fake News debunked yet again...next hoax for Howard and Libatrds in progress.. ;)
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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #121 on: October 09, 2019, 12:42:10 PM »
Burisma Paid Joe Biden $900,000 for Lobbying – Ukrainian MP

KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.


https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #122 on: October 09, 2019, 12:44:41 PM »
Burisma Paid Joe Biden $900,000 for Lobbying – Ukrainian MP

KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.


https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html


Haha. Wow. All but guarantees Hillary back in the running. No way will she see Warren have a chance over her..

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #123 on: October 09, 2019, 08:17:55 PM »
Burisma Paid Joe Biden $900,000 for Lobbying – Ukrainian MP

KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

"Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group," he said.


https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/617936.html


Not on CNN or MSNBC therefore never happened, therefore Biden 2020!!

Pedo for Potus 2020!

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Re: Will Trump Be Impeached - The Transcript with Ukraine
« Reply #124 on: October 10, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »
"Charles McCullough, an attorney now representing the whistleblowers with Andrew Bakaj, a former staffer for Sens. Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton, was previously the inspector general of the intelligence community (ICIG) at the height of the Clinton email scandal. Now a partner at the Compass Rose Legal Group, McCullough's professional biography on the law firm's website notes that he reported directly to Clapper as ICIG and "oversaw intelligence officers responsible for audits, inspections, investigations."


The Democrats really suck at this whole “frame Trump” thing....