Jet Buyer's Guide

[FitnessFrenzy]

I'm not a greedy man, so I will take the Embraer Legacy 500.

[Palumboism]

Gulfstream will be unveiling a new aircraft Monday.  Most likely a larger aircraft to compete with the Global 7500 which is the current king.  and possibly something smaller to fill the gap between the G280 and the G500 and to replace the G450 which has been canceled.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-18/gulfstream-signals-new-luxury-jet-unveiling-at-mystery-event

[Palumboism]

When I was in college I worked in a little airport in Jersey near NYC. It's called Teterboro airport. It's where the rich and famous fly into to head to NYC. It's a short 25 minute ride if that into Manhattan. Many times in the terminal the only ones there were myself and a lineman at night. The choice of jet they chartered was the Learjet at the time.

Lear has acknowledged they're getting their ass handed to them by the Phenom 300 and Citation CJ4 and are launching the Learjet 75 Liberty.  At $9.9 million, the Liberty sheds two seats in the forward cabin—for a total of six seats.  

The competition is still less expensive:
Pilatus PC-24: $8.9 million.
Phenom 300: $9.23 million.
Cessna CJ4: $9.41 million.

This is the class where jets have usable payloads and ranges.  Which means eight adults and luggage coast to coast.  less expensive jets have limited payloads and ranges.


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2019-07-02/bombardier-unveils-new-learjet-75-liberty

[Palumboism]

I looked into this, for shits and giggles one time when I was pissed at the airport, and the cost of one of those small jets will run you almost $500k a year by the time you factor in the upkeep, storage and pilot for the thing. I’d rather just keep flying first class, unless you buy one of the large commercial jets that’s coming off line. Those are cheap, relatively speaking.

How much does it cost to buy a Cessna Citation CJ4? Prices range between $4,790,000 and $6,900,000

Annual Budget
The total annual budget for flying a Citation CJ4 private jet 200 hours per year is approximately $661,217 or $980,824 for flying 400 hours per year

https://www.libertyjet.com/jet-ownership-costs.aspx?jetType=Citation%20CJ4

I still think there's a market for an airline using smaller business jets at general aviation airports.  They could fly to major hubs using a code sharing agreement with the majors.

I used live next door to a small airport with a 5000 ft runway that I saw maybe three or four airplanes fly out of per day.  I would have much preferred flying out of that airport rather than the main airport in town.

Don't forget all of the regional airplanes like the ERJ135 and CRJ 900 are just stretched business jets.  All of us have flown on a business jet with American Eagle, United express, or Delta connect.  

[Palumboism]

Gulfsteam launches the G700.

The soon-to-be behemoth, known as the G700, was unveiled at the National Business Aviation Association’s (NBAA) annual corporate aircraft show in Las Vegas. Gulfstream Aerospace President Mark Burns said the flagship G700, priced at $75 million, would be the “tallest, widest cabin in our industry,”

https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/gulfstreams-g700-worlds-biggest-private-jet-2875781/

[sync pulse]

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Almost an update of the DC-3 really...

[Palumboism]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Almost an update of the DC-3 really...

I'm not seeing what you mean.  They're not really anything alike.

For business jets, this is state of the art.

[sync pulse]

I didn't say it wasn't state of the art...

It roughly has the same design criteria as the DC-3...similar passenger loads...land at a wide variety of airports.

Combine that with current materials...current engines...current everything...operational ceiling say 30,000 feet...fly somewhat  south of mach 1.

Turn the design crank...and before you can say "Form Follows Function" ...you get an update of the DC-3

[Palumboism]

I didn't say it wasn't state of the art...

It roughly has the same design criteria as the DC-3...similar passenger loads...land at a wide variety of airports.

Combine that with current materials...current engines...current everything...operational ceiling say 30,000 feet...fly somewhat  south of mach 1.

Turn the design crank...and before you can say "Form Follows Function" ...you get an update of the DC-3

The DC-3 was actually the impetus for the Gulfstream 1.


"Legend has it that the impetus for the design came from wealthy airplane operators looking for a pressurized airplane that was faster than their war-surplus piston airplanes".

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/april/pilot/quick-look-grumman-gulfstream-g1


The family tree of the G700 goes all the way back the the Gulfsteam 1 in 1958.

Gulfstream 1 in 1958 (a turbo prop)
Gulfstream 2 in 1966 (a jet)
Gulfstream 3 in 1979
Gulfstream 4 in 1985
Gulfstream 5 in 1997
G350, G450, G550 in 2004
G650 in 2009
G700 in 2019

[sync pulse]

Dassault-Breguet Mystère 20...

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Bonus at 2:19:35......The Jaguar convertible...

[Palumboism]

Dassault-Breguet Mystère 20...

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Bonus at 2:19:35......The Jaguar convertible...

That's a Dassault Falcon 20.

Lockheed Jetstar 1961
North American Sabreliner 1962
British Aerospace "125" 1963
Lear 23 1964
Dassault Falcon 20 1965
Gulfstream Two 1967
Citation One 1969
Canada air CL-600 1980

Basically the 60's were a hot time for business jets, starting the whole industry and many of the jets of today are based on these earlier jets.  For example the nose on a Cessan M2 is the same as the Citation one.  Gulfstream's been very evolutionary in their design as well.

This is the third prototype of the CL-600, which first flew in 1978.  It's amazing what Bombardier has been able to develop this aircraft into.  The CRJ 700, 900, and 1000, as well as the Global 7500.

[Irongrip400]

How much does it cost to buy a Cessna Citation CJ4? Prices range between $4,790,000 and $6,900,000

Annual Budget
The total annual budget for flying a Citation CJ4 private jet 200 hours per year is approximately $661,217 or $980,824 for flying 400 hours per year

https://www.libertyjet.com/jet-ownership-costs.aspx?jetType=Citation%20CJ4

I still think there's a market for an airline using smaller business jets at general aviation airports.  They could fly to major hubs using a code sharing agreement with the majors.

I used live next door to a small airport with a 5000 ft runway that I saw maybe three or four airplanes fly out of per day.  I would have much preferred flying out of that airport rather than the main airport in town.

Don't forget all of the regional airplanes like the ERJ135 and CRJ 900 are just stretched business jets.  All of us have flown on a business jet with American Eagle, United express, or Delta connect.  

I hate when I fly to Atlanta and see MD90 or CRJ900 as the plane. I will look for a flight that takes a 737 to Atlanta. That said, I bet you could get a cheap CRJ coming out of service and take some seats out and upgrade the interior to have yourself a nice little plane.

[Palumboism]

I hate when I fly to Atlanta and see MD90 or CRJ900 as the plane. I will look for a flight that takes a 737 to Atlanta. That said, I bet you could get a cheap CRJ coming out of service and take some seats out and upgrade the interior to have yourself a nice little plane.

Delta's the only airline still flying Mad Dogs and they're retiring them quick because parts are becoming more expensive.  

Both aircraft played important rolls in American aviation.  When McDonnell Douglas designed the the MD-80 they used a type of rivet that allowed for extremely large flight cycles.  Which means these airplanes air frames can fly for years, which is the main reason they were so popular with Delta and American airlines.  The MD-80 is based on the DC-9 which first flew in 1965 two years before the 737.