Time to stop pulling punches

[Agnostic007]

Happy Travels.

1, And None of That would apply To Killary
2, Or Pocahontas
3, Or Biden
4, or any other candidates

Not to the inth degree Trump takes it

[SOMEPARTS]

1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Abstained
2008 Obama
2012 Abstained
2016 Abstained

[illuminati]

Not to the inth degree Trump takes it

Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.

[chaos]

Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.

It's a very typical thought process among Trump haters. They've been programmed to think that Trump doing anything is bad, no matter who has done it before him or how many times, NOW it's bad. 

[Primemuscle]

1980 Reagan
1984 Reagan
1988 Bush
1992 Bush
1996 Clinton
2000 Bush
2004 Abstained
2008 Obama
2012 Abstained
2016 Abstained

Abstention is a weak choice.

[SOMEPARTS]

Abstention is a weak choice.

It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.

[mazrim]

It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.

Yeah, doesn't really match up with how into this he is. If Trump is pretty much the worst person ever then Hillary would be the clear alternative.

[Grape Ape]

Abstention is a weak choice.

I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.

[Primemuscle]

I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.

Well, I don't get what you are saying. If you choose to abstain from voting that's fine. But, nobody cares. Abstainers aren't counted, like they are at a board meeting or in Congress. All the non-vote in an election does is lower the total vote count. This sends a message. The message is people don't care who is elected or which bills are passed. Therefore, those in power feel free to do exactly as they please without the worry of repercussions.

[Dos Equis]

oh contraire ..if you are still considering voting for Trump, there is no amount of shaming that would register.

Nothing you say will register with me, because you have lied, more than once in my exchanges with you, and you're blinded by partisanship.  I'm talking about your attempt to shame others.  It's part of today's liberal-statist-progressive playbook. 

[Dos Equis]

I used to think this but not anymore.  I thought that many veterans gave everything for us to have the right to vote, but now I believe they gave us the right to have the freedom to make our own choices.

We should not feel it's necessary to vote for the sake of voting.  If the main candidates are not desirable, abstaining is a reasonable option.

Writing in a candidate is just useless, for many practical reasons.

I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 

[illuminati]

I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 

That’s honest of you & gets my respect
Many would’ve just flat out lied

[Grape Ape]

I essentially abstained in 2016 by voting for the space cadet Gary Johnson.  Hindsight, I should voted for Trump.  If he continues to perform as he has, he will absolutely get my vote in 2020, particularly in light of the horrendous Democrat candidates. 

I did the same outside of the Johnson vote.

It was interesting, since TA was stating that Trump would be an amazing President once he was elected.

Then, I believe he soured on him a year or so in.

I'd be interested to hear his views.  Guy was spot on in his predictions leading up to the election.

[Grape Ape]

Well, I don't get what you are saying. If you choose to abstain from voting that's fine. But, nobody cares. Abstainers aren't counted, like they are at a board meeting or in Congress. All the non-vote in an election does is lower the total vote count. This sends a message. The message is people don't care who is elected or which bills are passed. Therefore, those in power feel free to do exactly as they please without the worry of repercussions.

You said abstaining was a weak choice.  I was explaining why I felt it's not.

As for the bolded, that's your subjective opinion on the message being sent.  It would only hold true if the amount of non-voters was consistent year to year.  If there's a sudden spike in the amount of abstainers, trend analyis would state something's changed, meaning it sends a different message - one of them being "your candidates suck".

[Dos Equis]

That’s honest of you & gets my respect
Many would’ve just flat out lied

Thank you.  I make a lot of mistakes.  I try and own and not repeat them. 

[Dos Equis]

I did the same outside of the Johnson vote.

It was interesting, since TA was stating that Trump would be an amazing President once he was elected.

Then, I believe he soured on him a year or so in.

I'd be interested to hear his views.  Guy was spot on in his predictions leading up to the election.

Poly actually nailed the 2016 election. 

Also, Las Vegas (or whatever handle he is currently using) made an excellent point during the election that I totally blew off:  Trump's ego is so big that if he was elected he would try and do whatever he could to be as successful as possible.  I hated the guy so much I never really gave the prediction serious consideration.  But Las Vegas was right.  I do believe Trump is motivated in part by his love of the country and in part by ensuring his legacy is secure, which can only happen if he does a good job.  So far, he is doing a phenomenal job. 

[Primemuscle]

You said abstaining was a weak choice.  I was explaining why I felt it's not.

As for the bolded, that's your subjective opinion on the message being sent.  It would only hold true if the amount of non-voters was consistent year to year.  If there's a sudden spike in the amount of abstainers, trend analyis would state something's changed, meaning it sends a different message - one of them being "your candidates suck".

Thank you for filling in the blanks. 

[Agnostic007]

It's also what you might write when you wouldn't want to admit voting for Obama and Hillary.

Nah, if I did, I would admit it. We all rarely see eye to eye in here when it comes to politics. There have been times in my adulthood when I really didn't care which candidate won, and on a similar not, neither choice was tolerable. While I understand the argument we should always vote no matter what, I personally don't subscribe to that. But had I known Trump would have a chance of winning, I likely would have voted Hillary.  While I didn't care for her, I obviously think she was the lesser of the two evils

[Agnostic007]

Now you’ve contradicted yourself - so you will accept
A Lying , Devious sociopath as long as they don’t Take it to The Level You Think Donald Does  

That’s a Very Dumb Reply Agnostic- Even You’ve got To Admit That.

No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at. I think over time we have grown to accept some political lies, like candiates promising such and such on the campaign trail then failing to follow through or a spin on the truth to lessen the blow to themselves. In my opinion, Trump so far out lies what the norm used to be, that we will have to set a new norm that nothing ever emitted from a politicians mouth can be considered a fact. I understand as a supporter, you may not consider Trumps pathological lying as over the top but for me it's like a two by four across the head.

[Agnostic007]

Abstention is a weak choice.

If you like choosing between losing an eye or a hand that's up to you.

[illuminati]

No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at. I think over time we have grown to accept some political lies, like candiates promising such and such on the campaign trail then failing to follow through or a spin on the truth to lessen the blow to themselves. In my opinion, Trump so far out lies what the norm used to be, that we will have to set a new norm that nothing ever emitted from a politicians mouth can be considered a fact. I understand as a supporter, you may not consider Trumps pathological lying as over the top but for me it's like a two by four across the head.

I don’t like Donald or any other politicians lying yet they all Do.
Maybe Donald lies more, or Maybe he doesn’t sugar coat everything he says
Like others do - They’re still lying though.

I’d rather a Donald In the rough state he is Than some Devious deceitful Slick Politico
Lying through their Teeth.

To many just can’t handle the plain truth & Are used to Slick Suger coatings
That’s what I see as a Huge Problem for Many.

[chaos]

No, I am in general addressing the common claim by Trumpsters that "All politicians lie" as if that excuses the level of lying he is at.

Apparently there is a level of lying that is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line?

[Agnostic007]

Apparently there is a level of lying that is acceptable to you, where do you draw the line?

went right over your head...again...

[chaos]

went right over your head...again...

Of course, when you can't back up your bullshit, claim the other person just doesn't understand. Got it.

[Board_SHERIF]

Of course, when you can't back up your bullshit, claim the other person just doesn't understand. Got it.

forgive the former sacked security guard for he is a Libatard...