Chael Sonnen "Bruce Lee was a wimp "

[OneMoreRep]

Gentlemen, please, it is like a finger up the ass.
But don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

Senator Singh,

Pleasure to have you grace us with your presence.

"1"

[Bevo]

So just because Hollywood spearheaded his fame and legend, you assume he was one of the first to pioneer MMA? You assume it was unheard of to mix martial arts?

Lets look at some facts, shall we? (From earliest to most recent 20th century details)

• The idea of combining a multitude of martial arts in order to supplement your fighting style was started well before Bruce was even a droplet of cum in his father's scrotum. It dates way back to Ancient Greece (we're talking as far back as 650 BCE), when their armies were trained in a mixture of boxing, wrestling and street fighting. This approach was known as pankration.

• Further along in the 1920's, still while Bruce was a drop of cum in the prepubescent Papa Lee's scrotum, these dandy brothers from Brazil known as Carlos and Hélio Gracie developed a fighting system called Vale Tudo, that they would train students in out of their many academies and it included a little bit of everything from boxing, wrestling, judo and jujutsu (Japanese form).

• In Czechoslovakia, Jews mixed martial arts for years before Bruce Lee was ever born. Krav Maga started in the 1930's and my people would mix boxing, wrestling and weapon disarming techniques. This hybrid approach to combat was taught to most able civilians, as we feared genocide.

MMA was not pioneered by Bruce Lee in the slightest bit, maybe for those that had no clue what MMA was prior to Hollywood sticking a little Chinese guy on their scream it did, but not to the rest of us. Bruce Lee was an actor for as long as anyone can remember. He was in movies starting at the age of 10 playing odd roles. He wasn't some legendary Kung Fu fighter from the start. Like most in Hollywood, he was groomed into what they needed him to be in order to sell the image.

One more thing, I am Israeli - born and raised until early teens. I've trained in Boxing (sport & leisure) for all of my life since I was 14, JiuJitsu for close to 20 years now and dabbled in Muay Thai for about 5 years before my knees gave out. I don't claim to know any more than the next guy, but unless you know what the you're talking about, you're going to make yourself look bad here by insulting others. Be nice and look into these matters before calling people typical ignorant Americans. You don't know me. 85% of what I post now a days is saturated in humor, because I think laughing is important. I am not here to debate combat history or anything else for that matter. I am here to contribute and make sure everyone else has a good time in the process without them feeling attacked or threatened by participating.

Ease up and realize that Bruce Lee would have never cared if you or I existed today, at least we are able to share and discuss these topics about a dead guy that served no purpose directly in any of our lives besides making cool movies where one little Chinese guy beats up a group of over 15 highly synchronized attackers while screaming like a deranged African American woman.

"1"

I never said he was the “first” he was the one that brought it to the forefront and made it well known, did he not? Like him or not, fighter or not, he made martial arts cool and inspired thousands, millions, to practice. That in itself is a success, wouldn’t you say?

Hollywood didn’t make him, Hollywood rejected him, all his movies prior to enter the dragon were all Hong Kong cinema production

He made his “fame” overseas long before Hollywood and his only Hollywood production was enter the dragon which was his last full movie

Sounds like you need to do research before saying Hollywood groomed him

[OneMoreRep]

I never said he was the “first” he was the one that brought it to the forefront and made it well known

Hollywood didn’t make him, Hollywood rejected him, all his movies prior to enter the dragon were all Hong Kong cinema production

He made his “fame” overseas long before Hollywood and his only Hollywood production was enter the dragon which was his last full movie

Sounds like you need to do research before saying Hollywood groomed him

Wait a minute amigo, I didn't say that you claimed Bruce Lee was the first. I wrote it very clearly that you claimed he was one of the first to pioneer MMA. I further expanded on this statement you made "He was one of the first to pioneer MMA, at the time, it was almost unheard of to mix martial arts" by providing you with evidence regarding the true origins of MMA and how it was around for centuries before Bruce Lee was even conceived, not to mention how others well before Lee served in making MMA well known to people. Lee didn't make MMA well known, just as Kung Fu didn't become real once Bruce Lee movies made it to the big screen. People knew about the concept of MMA well before Lee came on the scene, that's my point. Just like pankration was part of the Olympic games in 650 BCE, the idea of mixing martial arts was present back in those times (ie centuries before Bruce Lee was even born).

Also, I never said Hollywood made him, I said they groomed him. "Making" a character or actor is different than grooming a person. Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. They groomed Lee into what they needed him to be in order to better sell his movies. The Chinese/Kung Fu actor was already there, but they needed to polish his ass a bit in order to get him to where he could sell tickets.

Just to play the shit slinging game a bit, sounds like you need to do research on the semantics of the English language before you engage a typical, ignorant American.

Nonetheless, you can catch me in the thread involving Tom Prince's very small penis, followed by the thread about Shawn Ray having sex with men.

Catch you on the flip side  

"1"

[Kahn.N.Singh]

Senator Singh,

Pleasure to have you grace us with your presence.

"1"

Dear friend, to be appreciated by one so honorable as you grants me the privilege.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Didn't Bruce Lee weigh 130 pounds? Take the best 130 pound UFC/MMA fighter and face him off with a drunk 220 pound amateur wrestler and watch the 130 pound fly get demolished. And Bruce Lee couldn't last 30 seconds in the cage with the best 130 pound UFC/MMA fighter.

[che]

Take the best 130 pound UFC/MMA fighter and face him off with a drunk 220 pound amateur wrestler and watch the 130 pound fly get demolished.

I put my money on the  130 lbs pro fighter

[SOMEPARTS]

I put my money on the  130 lbs pro fighter

Right. A real pro fighter is a problem any weight class. Not Billy Bob's Backyard Brawl guys....a real UFC guy.

[Matt]

I didn't know that. What constituted the other 3/4th of his makeup?

"1"

Dangit - I meant to write that Bruce Lee was 3/4 Asian, not 1/4 Asian.

I heard he was either 1/4 Austrian or 1/4 German.  The photo of his appearance showing his mother to look half White, and the statement that his mother's father was German makes sense to me.

Making Bruce 3/4 Asian [Chinese?] and 1/4 White [German?].

That would make sense.

[Ropo]

Not really. Their movie star good looks, world renowned fame/recognition and sheer accumulation of money during their time are things that none of us here, let alone the vast majority of the world population, will or could ever achieve. Most people are forgotten a century or so after their deaths, movie stars are long remembered well after their time has come and gone.

It's not easy to piss on any movie star, although it could be fun to do in a literal sense. What they do for work is incredibly difficult. They are professional liars, portraying characters that are most of the time foreign to their true selves. That kind of shit is draining to do. Eats away at your soul when you attempt to do so for prolonged periods of time. Ever spend an hour laughing out loud and smiling? It actually makes you feel good as your body releases the right chemicals and hormones that are coupled with feeling good. Ever try walking around with a frown all day or making yourself cry repeatedly by way of sad thoughts? You guessed it, your body releases the same shit it would release when depressed. Not fun to do, certainly not as fun as pissing on another human (ideally one with exceptional fame) being would feel.

Just to clear the record, I'm not shitting on Bruce. I think he was a fun actor to watch in the 70s while I was a young teenager. But what I won't do is pretend that he could beat modern day profesional fighters even in his prime. Given proper training in the various martial arts, he would have as good of a chance as any other hopeful looking to get into professional combat sports. Also, remember that the man stood at a towering 5'6 and weighed a respectable 128lbs (or 9 stones for my British friends). He was a fucking manlet. Consider the women you've dated with the same height, frame and weight. You could pick that shit up and shove him into a briefcase if desired. There levels to this shit. I'm not saying I would have beat the shit out of him or anything of that sort, I know some guys get all defensive about their heroes (I remember black dudes in Harlem back in the 70's & 80's used to walk around wearing chinese kung fu outfits with the fucking little slippers ::see below:: ). I'm just saying that when paired with modern day professional fighters and the skill set they bring, Bruce would probably not fare well. But then again, he is dead and there is no telling how he would do.



This is just "1" gay man's opinion.

Do you really understand that you are talking about the guy, who probably is the first MMA fighter on this planet? His fame among martial artist is based on the fact, that he mix different styles, use boxsing, kick boxing, kung fu, even judo and jiu jitsu in his own style? And what makes these modern day MMA guys so fking tough? You see them fight, not acting. In that time there wasn't any competition which could be compared to MMA, so how he could prove his skill to the masses? Anyway, there is loads and loads of videos, where guys who really know him, was training with him and living that time, who are telling that he was a real deal. Guy's who have gold medals and world champion titles in various fight sports, telling you that no one have hit them so hard than this tiny 120 lb "actor". Bruce has far more respect among the martial arts perople, than he have among movie fans. Just like Seagal, who really is 7th dan black belt in aikido, and all you see is old, fat guy who is crappy actor  

[Ropo]

Didn't Bruce Lee weigh 130 pounds? Take the best 130 pound UFC/MMA fighter and face him off with a drunk 220 pound amateur wrestler and watch the 130 pound fly get demolished. And Bruce Lee couldn't last 30 seconds in the cage with the best 130 pound UFC/MMA fighter.

And why? what make these 130lb modern day MMA/UCF guys so freaking hard to beat? Fact that you think they are so freaking tough, and still all of them will meet better one, and lose the fight. If you ask any expert, Bruce was pound for pound one of the toughest guys who have walk on this   planet, so why he would let his ass to be kicked by some UCF/MMA fighter? He was fast, he was strong, and skilfull. What more you will need to be a good fighter in these days?

[Notomorrow]

Bruce was an actor from early childhood. He didn't become a bad-ass fighter "on the side". His lifelong pursuit was to be an actor. He was never a fighter in any way, shape or form. As far as "inventing" MMA, it is quite a stretch but it's a much more realistic and respectful thing to believe than this ridiculous idea that he was one of the great, legitimate fighters in ANY style let alone all styles. He did become quite arrogant, if you go and listen to some of the interviews they border on absolutely ridiculous. The dramatic pauses, "the intent with which you throw a punch ......must be....with complete purity of intent...and...." give me a break. He was an ACTOR. He got carried away as a guy like Stallone did, like when Sly had that boxing show where he would spar with Sugar Ray Leonard and talk to real fighters about the toughness of the ring and "toeing the line". Being a screen "bad-ass" causes a rare form of fame dementia, like Steven Seagal believing he's is a CIA operative giving deadly techniques or "training" Anderson Silva, to Van Damme claiming a "kick boxing" undefeated record with ALL knockouts from doing point Karate exhibitions as a teen.

[OneMoreRep]

Bruce was an actor from early childhood. He didn't become a bad-ass fighter "on the side". His lifelong pursuit was to be an actor. He was never a fighter in any way, shape or form. As far as "inventing" MMA, it is quite a stretch but it's a much more realistic and respectful thing to believe than this ridiculous idea that he was one of the great, legitimate fighters in ANY style let alone all styles. He did become quite arrogant, if you go and listen to some of the interviews they border on absolutely ridiculous. The dramatic pauses, "the intent with which you throw a punch ......must be....with complete purity of intent...and...." give me a break. He was an ACTOR. He got carried away as a guy like Stallone did, like when Sly had that boxing show where he would spar with Sugar Ray Leonard and talk to real fighters about the toughness of the ring and "toeing the line". Being a screen "bad-ass" causes a rare form of fame dementia, like Steven Seagal believing he's is a CIA operative giving deadly techniques or "training" Anderson Silva, to Van Damme claiming a "kick boxing" undefeated record with ALL knockouts from doing point Karate exhibitions as a teen.

Exactly.


So many of these action movie stars (Lee, Stallone, Seagal, Snipes) develop delusions of grandeur that often times seep into their reality. Stallone is a classic example that dragged the "keep punching" bit a little too far and took to the idea that he was someone super-relevant in boxing that served as an inspiration to millions. I LOVED his Rocky movies, absolutely adored them, but anyone that takes a beginner's boxing class will tell you that was he does in the Rocky movies is NOT boxing. Not to mention that if anyone grew up in the North-East back in the 70's and had any participation in boxing gyms, you would have heard the legend of the Jersey slugger known as Chuck Wepner, the same guy Stallone stole the story-line behind Rocky from. Seagal is self explanatory with his crazy bullshit that stemmed from his being an Aikido "master" and promoting the idea that he could take out multiple attackers. Seagal has become a laughing stock. Wesley Snipes also became obsessed with his role in martial arts and would perform stupid kick displays as much as he could during small TV talk shows. Ever watch the show he created, "Masters of the Martial Arts"?

Fast forward to the 1:27:05 mark, I think he fucking drops a shoe lift, wallet or butt plug:

I respect Bruce Lee for being a fun actor to watch in martial arts movies, but I was never under the preconceived notion in the 70's that he was some sort of legendary martial arts fighter. Maybe it's due to where and when I was raised and by who, but my understanding of Lee in the 70's was similar to what my understanding of Seagal, Wesley Snipes, Stallone or even Jackie Chan were during modern days. Lee was an actor for many years before he sought out training in Kung Fu. He would play many odd roles and then as you said, he underwent a strange transformation whereby he became ultra dramatic and portrayed this weird persona where he spoke in a funny way during interviews.

Why would he speak this way?

I think had lived long enough, he could have very well been exposed as nothing more than an overly zealous actor. The legend behind his name was propped up more by Hollywood and the thousands of Americans that drank the Koolaid. Nonetheless, fun guy to watch in movies. He also died much too young.

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[loco]

No matter what, Bruce Wee was fit, muscular, strong, fast, had endurance and stamina, practiced and taught mixed martial arts, and was taught martial arts by none other then IP Man.  I wouldn't call him a wimp, because he was far from it.

[falco]

Chael Sonnen would call his mother a 20 dollar prostitute if that gave him relevance and attention. Everything goes in order to make a buck.

[Griffith]

Segal is one weird dude lol. His delusions remind me of Jason Blaha.

Apparently he is extremely unprofessional when dealing with movie producers and staff.

[funk51]

there is a video of chuck norris trying his martial art skills against one of the gracie clan. guess who wins 

[funk51]

spoiler alert.

[Humble Narcissist]

Chuck Norris trained with the Gracie's and earned a blackbelt in their system.

[kevcat]

Wow, got to love the insecurities from people on here. Comparing a guy from decades ago, who had none of the modern day resources, techniques etc as 'MMA fighters' these days have, and stating the obvious that he would be beat the shit out of. 

What exactly is the point of this? Is anyone disagreeing?

Also to compare Bruce Lee, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua, is beyond retarded.

You do realise that those 3 are probably 100 + lbs heavier than Lee?

Fail of a thread 

[loco]

[Kwon]

THIS is a REAL fighter, not afraid of confronting people, IN THE STREETS!

[Kwon]

Apparently he is extremely unprofessional when dealing with movie producers and staff.

haha he punched John Leguizamo and slapped him around a bit on "Executive Decision".

[Ropo]

Chuck Norris trained with the Gracie's and earned a blackbelt in their system.

So what. He trained also with Bruce, and among many videos about Bruce, there is one where members of Gracie- family praise Bruce as a inventor of the MMA..I find it quite interesting how just about everyone in the martial arts scene at that time has nothing but good things to say about Bruce, and if you collect all the medals from these guys, you can fill a bath tub with them. Now days all the brats and wankers are judging his talents thinking that he was a fake. Who is right? These knob heads and wankers, who live with their parents, or these masters of various martial arts, who have win dozens of world championship titles among countless other titles around the world. Who knows these things? These masters who have live their life practising martial arts, or these wankers who have seen Bruce Lee in the video?

And what? John Leguizamo tells absolute truth about Steven Seagal? Disappointed asswipe didn't stand how Seagal teased him just for fun, and now he is crying all over the internet? John is tiny little colombian, who more than anything else, require lot of respect for himself, for his race etc. because he has this "Short-man syndrome". Seagal doesn't bend over backwards to kiss his ass, so he is hurt. Instead kissing his ass, Seagal slaps him like you would slap a little child, and this asswipe is traumatized by that at once..  

[Darren Avey]

King Brandon Curry would have destroyed Bruce

[IRON CROSS]

No matter what, Bruce Wee was fit, muscular, strong, fast, had endurance and stamina, practiced and taught mixed martial arts, and was taught martial arts by none other then IP Man.  I wouldn't call him a wimp, because he was far from it.

Fantastic muscularity,symmetry & speed !.