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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2020, 08:08:53 PM »
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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2020, 09:25:38 PM »
I do understand completely. Here's the key which is taken from your post, If he was not a Trump supporter, "Trump should have got rid of him on day one."  The only problem is that, like Sondland, day one was in 2018 when he accepted an assignment with the National Security Council. Trump fired Gordon and his twin brother immediately following his acquittal.  

"Vindman was appointed to his post in July 2018 and was asked to stay for two years." https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/06/politics/alexander-vindman-white-house-national-security-council/index.html

Trump appointed Ambassador Gordon Sondland in 2018. Trump fired Sondland immediately after he was acquitted.  

You're really that dumb. Here's a scenario, boss hires someone. That someone turns out not to be the person he thought he was. He gets canned. Surprise!

And don't try to act like he wasn't part of the administration during the Obama years. You're such a phony only posting info to support your agenda, especially if it doesn't matter. Trump could have gone to him personally and begged him to on the NSC. It means nothing when he found out Vindman didn't support him.

Beginning in 2008, Vindman became a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this capacity he served in the U.S. embassies in Kiev, Ukraine, and Moscow, Russia. Returning to Washington, D.C. he was then a politico-military affairs officer focused on Russia for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Vindman was on the Joint Staff at the Pentagon from September 2015 to July 2018.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2020, 01:30:46 AM »
You're really that dumb. Here's a scenario, boss hires someone. That someone turns out not to be the person he thought he was. He gets canned. Surprise!

And don't try to act like he wasn't part of the administration during the Obama years. You're such a phony only posting info to support your agenda, especially if it doesn't matter. Trump could have gone to him personally and begged him to on the NSC. It means nothing when he found out Vindman didn't support him.

Beginning in 2008, Vindman became a Foreign Area Officer specializing in Eurasia. In this capacity he served in the U.S. embassies in Kiev, Ukraine, and Moscow, Russia. Returning to Washington, D.C. he was then a politico-military affairs officer focused on Russia for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Vindman was on the Joint Staff at the Pentagon from September 2015 to July 2018.

I never said Trump couldn't fire him. I said it was not the most optimum time for Trump to do it from a public image standpoint. And actually, Vindman's position was eliminated, he wasn't technically fired. Vindman will be detailed to the Defense Department. His NSC (National Security Council) posting was expected to end this summer anyway. It ended a few months early.

-Nothing dumb about sticking to the facts. Something you might learn to do. Where did I try to act like he wasn't part of the Administration during the Obama years (which he actually wasn't).

So he held a couple of specialized military positions during the Obama years. What does that mean? He wasn't appointed to those positions by Obama or supervised by the President.

A Foreign Area Officer (FAO) is a commissioned officer from any of the four branches of the United States armed forces.

-The Bureau of Political-Military Affairs (PM)[2] is an agency within the United States Department of State that bridges the Department of State with the Department of Defense.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2020, 08:03:43 AM »
I never said Trump couldn't fire him. I said it was not the most optimum time for Trump to do it from a public image standpoint. And actually, Vindman's position was eliminated, he wasn't technically fired. Vindman will be detailed to the Defense Department. His NSC (National Security Council) posting was expected to end this summer anyway. It ended a few months early.

-Nothing dumb about sticking to the facts. Something you might learn to do. Where did I try to act like he wasn't part of the Administration during the Obama years (which he actually wasn't).

So he held a couple of specialized military positions during the Obama years. What does that mean? He wasn't appointed to those positions by Obama or supervised by the President.

A Foreign Area Officer (FAO) is a commissioned officer from any of the four branches of the United States armed forces.

-The Bureau of Political-Military Affairs (PM)[2] is an agency within the United States Department of State that bridges the Department of State with the Department of Defense.



This was absolutely the optimum time to fire Vindman.

#1 -post-impeachment clearance to do so without legal crying and whining

#2 - absolutely firing up his base at rallys by using it an example of swamp draining

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2020, 12:51:04 PM »


This was absolutely the optimum time to fire Vindman.

#1 -post-impeachment clearance to do so without legal crying and whining

#2 - absolutely firing up his base at rallys by using it an example of swamp draining

X2. What better time to fire someone when you realize he's working against you.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2020, 01:08:42 PM »
X2. What better time to fire someone when you realize he's working against you.

Should Vindman have refused to honor the subpoena to testify? Administration officials who fail to comply with a subpoena to testify risk criminal and civil fines, including jail time.

https://qz.com/1726880/trump-officials-who-disobey-subpoenas-risk-jail-fines-and-more/

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2020, 01:31:18 PM »
Should Vindman have refused to honor the subpoena to testify? Administration officials who fail to comply with a subpoena to testify risk criminal and civil fines, including jail time.




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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2020, 02:05:45 PM »
Should Vindman have refused to honor the subpoena to testify? Administration officials who fail to comply with a subpoena to testify risk criminal and civil fines, including jail time.

https://qz.com/1726880/trump-officials-who-disobey-subpoenas-risk-jail-fines-and-more/

Why do you think Shifty subpoenaed him in the first place, Soggy?

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2020, 02:06:06 PM »
Vindman also admitted to lying

go ahead and post your proof of him saying this and what he specifically lied about

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2020, 02:07:32 PM »


As if the rest didn't matter, then you pick that out.

Sooooo, why would the govt that Biden was dirty dealing with need to check with a guy that was there before Trump and Giuliani on what to say about the obvious corruption?

BUSTED, that's why. He admits choosing Ukraine's interest over the USA below.




" “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen,” he told investigators, “and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine.”

His heritage gave Colonel Vindman, who is fluent in both Ukrainian and Russian, unique insight into Mr. Trump’s pressure campaign; on numerous occasions, Ukrainian officials sought him out for advice about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani." "



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/29/us/politics/who-is-alexander-vindman.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share



this is all you've got

are you fucking kidding?


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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2020, 08:30:02 PM »
this is all you've got

are you fucking kidding?





Much higher than the Dem standard of proof. A little more:


"Col. Vindman had been offered the defense minister position in Ukraine's new administration when a U.S. delegation went to Kyiv for President Zelensky's inauguration."

"Every single time I dismissed it,” Col. Vindman says of the three times he was offered the post. “Upon returning, I notified my chain of command and the appropriate counterintelligence folks about the offer.”  ::)


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/four-witnesses-testify-impeachment-tuesday/card/1574181970

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2020, 09:03:45 PM »


Much higher than the Dem standard of proof. A little more:


"Col. Vindman had been offered the defense minister position in Ukraine's new administration when a U.S. delegation went to Kyiv for President Zelensky's inauguration."

"Every single time I dismissed it,” Col. Vindman says of the three times he was offered the post. “Upon returning, I notified my chain of command and the appropriate counterintelligence folks about the offer.”  ::)


https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/four-witnesses-testify-impeachment-tuesday/card/1574181970

what point are you trying to make with this post other than to make Vindman look BETTER than he already does

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2020, 11:28:15 PM »
Anybody seen 240isStraw?  ;D

Still waiting...

He's RK too  ;)

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2020, 12:27:17 AM »
what point are you trying to make with this post other than to make Vindman look BETTER than he already does


Let's apply the Russian Collusion/Ukraine Whistleblower standards to his statements. GUILTY.  :D

He's not pro-USA policy or pro-Trump policy...born in USSR era Ukraine/pro-Ukraine....so he's gone. GOOD.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2020, 06:11:49 PM »

Let's apply the Russian Collusion/Ukraine Whistleblower standards to his statements. GUILTY.  :D

He's not pro-USA policy or pro-Trump policy...born in USSR era Ukraine/pro-Ukraine....so he's gone. GOOD.
Excatly.  He should take the job of the head of the Ukraine military that the President there offered him  :o  Can't believe this guy actually said this at the hearing under oath.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2020, 01:49:20 PM »
Don't let the door hit ya.   :)

Vindman to retire from military after "retaliation" from Trump impeachment
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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2020, 05:33:29 PM »
About time.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2020, 06:11:11 PM »
Pathetic how the TRAITORS on this board treat a decorated veteran who was just doing his job and reporting that the TRAITOR in the White House has been selling out OUR COUNTRY for his personal gain

It's pretty apparent to me that in a few short years the TRAITOR in the White House and destroyed this nation not only within our borders but has destroyed our place on the world stage


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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2020, 06:33:50 PM »
Don't let the door hit ya.   :)

Vindman to retire from military after "retaliation" from Trump impeachment
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Outstanding. ;D

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2020, 10:31:33 PM »
Pathetic how the TRAITORS on this board treat a decorated veteran who was just doing his job and reporting that the TRAITOR in the White House has been selling out OUR COUNTRY for his personal gain

It's pretty apparent to me that in a few short years the TRAITOR in the White House and destroyed this nation not only within our borders but has destroyed our place on the world stage


 ;D

Which one was following the law and constitution in this case? That's who the traitor is....DUH.

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2020, 11:50:46 PM »
Pathetic how the TRAITORS on this board treat a decorated veteran who was just doing his job and reporting that the TRAITOR in the White House has been selling out OUR COUNTRY for his personal gain

It's pretty apparent to me that in a few short years the TRAITOR in the White House and destroyed this nation not only within our borders but has destroyed our place on the world stage

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2020, 04:33:54 PM »
go ahead and post your proof of him saying this and what he specifically lied about

You’re not just a dolt, you’re an AOC dolt...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/11/18/vindmans_claims_dont_hold_up.html

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2020, 08:17:12 PM »
Don't let the door hit ya.   :)

Vindman to retire from military after "retaliation" from Trump impeachment
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Awww...poor baby.

Maybe he can wear his uniform down to the unemployment office?

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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2020, 01:46:27 PM »
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his twin brother escorted from White House. Admitted leaking info and not following chain of command because Trump didn't say what he wanted on the Ukraine call. Was actively advising Ukraine on how to work against Trump/USA foreign policy. His brother also works in the NSF. Traitorous. He and his brother were born in the USSR, btw. So finally some "Russians did something".

EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland recalled and told "services no longer needed". Remember he told the House he had the goods on Ukraine and then later admitted in the same testimony that Trump said "no quid pro quo" verbatim. Idiot. He also is facing several sexual misconduct cases in the States.

 ;D


Vindman did his job and told the truth.  He had no reason not to and nothing to gain from it...no money, no political position, etc.   Trump on the other only does things for those things I mentioned.   Not sure why you said he has some sexual misconduct cases because that's a load of bullshit.   

Below is proof of that.  He is a decorated COMBAT VETERAN.  He's shed blood for this country or you may have not noticed that Purple Heart.   Tell me what has Trump done???  I had high hopes for him as I thought he would be good for business....he's not.   The fact that he fired his twin brother who wasn't even involved shows clear retaliation
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Re: Lt. Col. Vindman and Ambassador Sondland FIRED
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2020, 02:24:40 PM »
A good leader needs to surround himself with people that support him and share his visions, not those that try to betray and undermine him.

firing is the measure of careless hiring
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