UFC 247

[chaos]

Would 5 judges make it fair?

[joswift]

Would 5 judges make it fair?

Dana wont shell out for 5 judges..

[Matt]

Dana wont shell out for 5 judges..

Dana White is to the UFC what Joe Weider was to bodybuilding:

He controls the entire industry.

Imagine controlling an entire industry?  The only person with more power in the UFC is Lord Jacob Rothschild, who controls the banks that the UFC does its business with.

Dana White, and previously Joe Weider, were both agents of the Rothschild family.  But other than Jacob Rothschild, Dana White has full control of the UFC and the world of MMA, just like Joe Weider had full control of the Mr. Olympia contest, and the world of bodybuilding, prior to his death in 2013. 

[Matt]

Would 5 judges make it fair?

The UFC final results are ultimately fully in the hands of Lord Jacob Rothschild - Baron Rothschild.  He has what amounts to, effectively, veto power over all judging decisions before they are finalized.

So if there ever is a result that Jacob Rothschild disagrees with, he has full power to change that result.

Jacob Rothschild ultimately controls which fighters win or lose - which go on to become champions, and which become dynasty winners in the sport.

Could you imagine if your family controlled the entire world, aside from the central banks of only 3 or 5 or 7 countries, depending on the meme you read?  

Incredible financial power and influence!  I'd love to own all these banks, the IFBB, the UFC, etc.

[Matt]

Dana White chimes in about the result of Jones vs. Reyes:

[pellius]

Dana White is to the UFC what Joe Weider was to bodybuilding:

He controls the entire industry.

Imagine controlling an entire industry?  The only person with more power in the UFC is Lord Jacob Rothschild, who controls the banks that the UFC does its business with.

Dana White, and previously Joe Weider, were both agents of the Rothschild family.  But other than Jacob Rothschild, Dana White has full control of the UFC and the world of MMA, just like Joe Weider had full control of the Mr. Olympia contest, and the world of bodybuilding, prior to his death in 2013. 

Oh God, Matt! So now the Jews control the UFC. White doesn't even pick the judges and if it were up to him then Mazzagati wouldn't even be a judge. And how many times has he stated publicly that he thought a certain decision was bull shit.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. But when you have an agenda you'll say anything to fit your narrative. That works against you because you lose credibility. Most people read this and just roll their eyes. 


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1275801-mma-referee-steve-mazzagatti-we-dont-work-for-dana-white

[AbrahamG]

I think you summarized it well there...I was thinking about it, and realized that I could have more easily accepted two judges giving Jones 48-47 if the third judge gave Reyes 49-46.

Then you'd get some impression that there was some justice among the judges.

If you look at three of the fights earlier that night, you see how bad some of the judging was:

Andre Ewell def. Jonathan Martinez [judges gave Ewell 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, which meant that one judge gave Ewell 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave him 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave him all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...as if all three judges were watching a completely different fight!]

Lauren Murphy def. Andrea Lee [judges gave Murphy 28–29, 29–28, 30–27, yet again a result in the same format is the one directly above, which means that one judge gave Murphy 1 of 3 rounds, another judge gave her 2 of 3 rounds, and the final judge gave her all 3 of 3 rounds, LOL...where is the consistency in judging here??]

Trevin Giles def. James Krause [judges gave Giles a split decision victory in this one, with 28–29, 29–28, 29–28 for Giles, which meant one judge gave him 1 of 3 rounds, and both other judges gave him 2 of 3 rounds...I would have given Krause round one and Giles round two, making them go in to round three 19-19, and then scored round three a draw!  I don't know if that would have made the fight a 28-28 draw, because I don't know if draws are given scores.  If I absolutely had to pick a winner, I would have gone with Giles...so I can accept this outcome, but I wish judges were more willing to score fights draws.  No one is going to be upset with a judge awarding two fighters a draw if the fight is very close].

Derrick Lewis def. Ilir Latifi [all three judges gave Derrick Lewis 29–28, 29–28, 29–28.  Lewis would have won the third round for sure, but I'm not sure which of the first two rounds were given to Lewis...man, is Lewis one scary N when he goes on a flurry/rampage of punches!  Powerful dude!  I really don't know why Lewis should have been awarded either of the first two rounds though...I feel like he was just given one of those rounds due to name favouritism]

And then we have the Jon Jones vs. Dominick Reyes decision...I could have handled a straight up 48-47 Jones, and a split decision, with two judges giving Jones 48-47, and the final judge giving Reyes 48-47 - or even better, the third judge giving Reyes 49-46.  

That would have shown everyone that the fight was close, but that there was at least one "rogue" judge, who felt that Reyes won - and not exactly closely at that!

Or even GSP vs. Hendricks style, with one dissenting judge giving Reyes 48-47, the same way that one gave that to Hendricks, which allowed GSP to squeak out a decision victory, but only narrowly.

The awarding of 49-46 for Jones is what annoys me here.

tl;dr

My question is:

Are the judges who score these fights even trained officials, or are they just fight fans?  After all, it's not like UFCs come to Houston, Texas every weekend...so how do they pick the judges for each state?  Are they just fight fans with vague ties to MMA, or are they more qualified than that?

I think one of the commentators was saying that they just pick boxing commissioners to judge UFC fights.  If so, that might make sense why the judging is a bit off, because boxing judges wouldn't know how to judge other aspects of fighting, that we see in MMA.

I've seen far worse decisions happen [including this very night], but it would have been cool if Reyes had the upset victory.

As for Jones...someone wrote in this thread that he isn't a big PPV draw.  Why would that be?  Dude wins every fight he's in, lol.  He doesn't bring the UFC money?  Why would that be?  

4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.

[che]

4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.

I don't know this particular judge but I heard these were boxing judges ,  back in the day (in boxing ) you could win a fight  just coming forward , some  judges rewarded more the aggressive fighters  than defensive fighters even if the aggressor didn't land a punch , this same  judge gave   3 round to Lewis 

[Matt]

Oh God, Matt! So now the Jews control the UFC. White doesn't even pick the judges and if it were up to him then Mazzagati wouldn't even be a judge. And how many times has he stated publicly that he thought a certain decision was bull shit.

Talk about trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. But when you have an agenda you'll say anything to fit your narrative. That works against you because you lose credibility. Most people read this and just roll their eyes. 


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1275801-mma-referee-steve-mazzagatti-we-dont-work-for-dana-white

I suppose you could say "the Jews", since the entire world is controlled by the Rothschild family, and since they are a Jewish family - I guess that means that the ultimate ownership of the world is controlled by Jews.

 

After all, pellius - don't you read memes online!

Look at this meme right here - it says it right here - the Rothschild family controls our "news", "the media", our oil, and our government.

Doesn't this meme settle it? 

It doesn't mention whether or not the Rothschild family owns Hawaii, but I would assume that, yes, they do. 

[Matt]

4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit as well. Doesn't matter split or unanimous so long as the scores were within reason.

4-1 Jones was in line with the horrible scorecards all night long.

I agree that 4-1 Reyes would have been bullshit, but had two judges given Jones 48-47, with the dissenting judge giving Reyes 49-46 [4-1], I wouldn't have had that feeling of politics and the whole "Knock out the champ" trope/lore.

I guess what I mean is that at least I would have had some faith that these fights could be judged in a way that deviates from that "Knock out the champ" lore.

I'm just saying that a lone judge giving Reyes 4-1 would have given me more faith in the judging/scoring system than Jones getting that lone 4-1 vote.

A straight 48-47 for either fighter, or a split decision 48-47 from two judges to one fighter, with another judge giving 48-47 to the other fighter would have also been fine with me, regardless of which fighter won.

I'm just saying that if I had to pick a 49-46 [4 rounds to 1] for one fighter, I would have given that to Reyes.  I'm not saying I think that's fair - just more fair than a 49-46 for Jones.

TheWeasle does pretty good breakdowns on YouTube:

[Humble Narcissist]

The UFC final results are ultimately fully in the hands of Lord Jacob Rothschild - Baron Rothschild.  He has what amounts to, effectively, veto power over all judging decisions before they are finalized.

So if there ever is a result that Jacob Rothschild disagrees with, he has full power to change that result.

Jacob Rothschild ultimately controls which fighters win or lose - which go on to become champions, and which become dynasty winners in the sport.

Could you imagine if your family controlled the entire world, aside from the central banks of only 3 or 5 or 7 countries, depending on the meme you read?  

Incredible financial power and influence!  I'd love to own all these banks, the IFBB, the UFC, etc.

I don't ever recall our war with Iceland.

[Matt]

I don't ever recall our war with Iceland.

That point is covered in this article:

And I must have missed the last time we went to war with Iceland, but maybe it's in a non-Rothschild funded history book.

 

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/04/07/busting-some-rothschild-family-facebook-memes

[Flexacon]

We need Bob Chick to chime in to explain wtf went down with the judging

[Kwon]

[pellius]

I suppose you could say "the Jews", since the entire world is controlled by the Rothschild family, and since they are a Jewish family - I guess that means that the ultimate ownership of the world is controlled by Jews.

 

After all, pellius - don't you read memes online!

Look at this meme right here - it says it right here - the Rothschild family controls our "news", "the media", our oil, and our government.

Doesn't this meme settle it? 

It doesn't mention whether or not the Rothschild family owns Hawaii, but I would assume that, yes, they do. 

The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

How come you are afraid of answering my very direct question. What do you want to do with the Jews and with Israel? Not what you think the Jews should do? ("Notmake me rich" as one lose said). What YOU want to do? I've asked this several times of you and other anti-Semites on this board and they avoid answering it. Don't you feel ashamed and emasculated that such a tiny majority controls your life and you are so weak and submissive to do anything about it?

[Kwon]

The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

How come you are afraid of answering my very direct question. What do you want to do with the Jews and with Israel? Not what you think the Jews should do? ("Notmake me rich" as one lose said). What YOU want to do? I've asked this several times of you and other anti-Semites on this board and they avoid answering it. Don't you feel ashamed and emasculated that such a tiny majority controls your life and you are so weak and submissive to do anything about it?

I believe the best thing the Jews and the Mussies should do is beat it. They're out to get you, so better leave while you can.
Don't want to be a boy, you want to be a man. You want to stay alive, so you better do what you can. So beat it, just beat it.

[Matt]

pellius - before addressing your second very important question, I would like to address your first one:

The Japanese far surpass the Jews as far as ownership of this island. Or do the Jew own Japan, too?

Yes.  Yes, they do.

Ultimately, Lord Rothschild owns Japan.  And Hawaii.

Wow.  Talk about powerful!  But the meme says it's true, so it must be true:

[joswift]

pellius - before addressing your second very important question, I would like to address your first one:

Yes.  Yes, they do.

Ultimately, Lord Rothschild owns Japan.  And Hawaii.

Wow.  Talk about powerful!  But the meme says it's true, so it must be true:

[Matt]

LOL!!!

 

[Kwon]

LOL!!!

 

Does that mean that We, The People, are Homer Simps?

[Matt]

Does that mean that We, The People, are Homer Simps?

In depends on whether or not the Rothschild family memes are true.  Skeptoid states that Rothschild family memes do not hold up to scrutiny:

There's also some text, full of the usual Rothschild-related distortions and lies. Part of it reads:

"My family is worth 500 trillion dollars."

This is a ludicrous accusation that seems to have appeared out of thin air and been accepted as gospel truth by internet conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites. It obviously doesn't pass the smell test, but just to be sure I looked for the source of the claim. There isn't one, or at least not one I could find. It appears to be completely made up.

https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/04/07/busting-some-rothschild-family-facebook-memes

Interesting!  After sending my friend that blurb about the Rothschild family, I asked my friend about a girl he had been with, who I was attracted to.  I asked "Does her vagina pass the smell test?"  He immediately started laughing, LOL.  

Incidentally, I found out later that her vagina definitely passed the smell test!  Her vagina was so nice and fishy - a bit fishy.  Nothing crazy, just a bit fishy.

I love examining women's vaginas to see if their vaginas pass the smell test!

Also, an analysis of Jon Jones razor thin "win" over Dominick Reyes at UFC 246 by Full Mount MMA:

[OneMoreRep]

Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

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[joswift]

Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

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[Matt]

Saw the fight again.

Rounds 1 + 2 go to Reyes
Rounds 4 + 5 go to Jones

Whomever truly won round 3 won the fight. Striking was close, but it was the takedowns that gave Jones the nod.

If Reyes comes back with the same pace and intensity, but able to last 5 rounds without tiring, he beats Jones. If Jones has downloaded Reyes' style, speed, angles etc, then Jones might very well pick him apart.

Jones looked sedated throughout this fight. Hopefully he is OK.

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Do you suppose Jones is using opiates to come down from his coke use?

PS - what do you make of the lone judge who gave Jones 49-46?

[OneMoreRep]

Do you suppose Jones is using opiates to come down from his coke use?

PS - what do you make of the lone judge who gave Jones 49-46?

I don't think he is using opiates, lol, as he would get popped for them.

The lone judge is just foolish. Then again, those guys sit by the cage and don't have the best view. Even though they have little TVs in front of them to give them a bird's-eye view of different angles, the reality is that it still isn't ideal. Not to mention that they are easily swayed by the crowd.

When I rewatched the fight, it was muted and I was able to rewind as well. Very clearly were rounds 1 & 2 for Reyes. Rounds 4 & 5 were for Jones. Round 3 had Reyes outstriking Jones by a narrow margin, but Jones' takedowns made up for the difference in strikes.

If Reyes would have won, no one would complain. Jones having won isn't a robbery either. I think we as fans want a dominating champion that beats everyone via knockout or brutal submission. When we see such a lackluster performance, you sometimes wish Jones would snort some cocaine before his fights again. That said, I think the rematch will be great, but if I had to bet on it, I would give the rematch to Jones. The guy and his team have a way of figuring out opponents on the second run. Their game planning is ridiculous.

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