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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #2075 on: March 26, 2020, 10:47:12 AM »
I like Tommy, but I think his chances of running for president are over with the Getbig voters.

 :D  You just wait! I shall retool my campaign and come back strong for the big win. All I need to do is promise free Primabolan and I'll have the getbig voters back on my side.
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« Reply #2076 on: March 26, 2020, 10:54:16 AM »
Dumbo is just trying to stay relevant which he never was.

Anything for the clicks.


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« Reply #2078 on: March 26, 2020, 11:32:30 AM »
didn't 90% of you all prayed for something like this to happen.  you guys wanted half of the world population gone, now that this happens, waaaaa, you guys are crying, especially with a name like "pray for war" lol.....  I will say this, we all seemed to have forgotten the muslims now, lol hell, 3-5 years ago, 100% of this thread  was all about killing arabs/mussies/middle east because they are about to "destroy western civilizaton" lol,  in time we will all forget about this.  1 year ago, it was all about the latino/mexican eradication because all of them are ms13 and illegals destroying merica, now, its chink's eradication.  I feel like this is all just a TREND/PHASE!
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« Reply #2079 on: March 26, 2020, 11:34:19 AM »
though there is one CONSTANT,  we still want blacks gone  ;D ;D
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« Reply #2080 on: March 26, 2020, 11:44:35 AM »
My 3 weeks of lockdown start tomorrow.

Not allowed to walk in the street. Can only be at shop for 1 hour and have 1 hour drive time, 30 mins each way and must shop alone. Shopping receipts must be kept as proof.

Emergency services are still open and can drive to bank and get fuel as well.

Other than than that, no movement allowed, no walking of dogs and no walking outside own property.

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« Reply #2081 on: March 26, 2020, 11:59:46 AM »
though there is one CONSTANT,  we still want blacks gone  ;D ;D

Africa will suffer the worst due to their high tech, medical services and communication


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« Reply #2082 on: March 26, 2020, 01:11:43 PM »
My 3 weeks of lockdown start tomorrow.

Not allowed to walk in the street. Can only be at shop for 1 hour and have 1 hour drive time, 30 mins each way and must shop alone. Shopping receipts must be kept as proof.

Emergency services are still open and can drive to bank and get fuel as well.

Other than than that, no movement allowed, no walking of dogs and no walking outside own property.

Where you at?

No walking of dogs seems a bit harsh

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« Reply #2083 on: March 26, 2020, 01:37:38 PM »
didn't 90% of you all prayed for something like this to happen.  you guys wanted half of the world population gone, now that this happens, waaaaa, you guys are crying, especially with a name like "pray for war" lol.....  I will say this, we all seemed to have forgotten the muslims now, lol hell, 3-5 years ago, 100% of this thread  was all about killing arabs/mussies/middle east because they are about to "destroy western civilizaton" lol,  in time we will all forget about this.  1 year ago, it was all about the latino/mexican eradication because all of them are ms13 and illegals destroying merica, now, its chink's eradication.  I feel like this is all just a TREND/PHASE!


People's dynamics change when faced with a global treat as opposed to one which is generational, national, racial and/or ethnic, etc.

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« Reply #2085 on: March 26, 2020, 02:59:07 PM »
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/imperial-college-scientist-who-predicted-500k-coronavirus-deaths-in-uk-revises-to-20k-or-less

Fake news. Coronavirus is killing more per day than the flu and the numbers are growing exponentially (that means they are multiplying).

The world has shut down. Death is coming.

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« Reply #2086 on: March 26, 2020, 03:02:41 PM »
People's dynamics change when faced with a global treat as opposed to one which is generational, national, racial and/or ethnic, etc.

every threat was a "global arguement".  all Muslims are terrorist and are destroying and bombing US, UK, Asia etc,  refugee Somalians are getting accepted every where to kill and rape women globally,  Every blacks are going to shoot and murder every police officer.  Mexicans are all MS13 and want to kill and decapitate the US and globally, chinks are trying to take over, and they allied with russia.  koreans are going to nuke the US and the world. according to media propaganda.  You got to admit, at one time, some form of news did talk about all those topics i mentioned lol
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« Reply #2087 on: March 26, 2020, 03:03:40 PM »
Fake news. Coronavirus is killing more per day than the flu and the numbers are growing exponentially (that means they are multiplying).

The world has shut down. Death is coming.

Fake news said this was a fake flu  ;D ;D
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« Reply #2088 on: March 26, 2020, 03:16:27 PM »
Fake news said this was a fake flu  ;D ;D

Yes fake news is always reporting fake information. The doctor originally predicted 500k deaths and now he may have over estimated by 400%?  He fed into the panic. Either he was misquoted or he’s over reactionary.

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« Reply #2089 on: March 26, 2020, 03:21:51 PM »
Africa will suffer the worst due to their high tech, medical services and communication





Perhaps affected Europeans should be relocated to south of Sahara, Mama Afrika could help them !.


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« Reply #2090 on: March 26, 2020, 03:23:16 PM »
Slaves did not build this country.  Slaves picked some cotton.  Nice libtard talking point though.

Nice lack of basic US History. 

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« Reply #2091 on: March 26, 2020, 03:43:02 PM »
Where you at?

No walking of dogs seems a bit harsh

South Africa.

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« Reply #2092 on: March 26, 2020, 03:43:22 PM »
every threat was a "global arguement".  all Muslims are terrorist and are destroying and bombing US, UK, Asia etc,  refugee Somalians are getting accepted every where to kill and rape women globally,  Every blacks are going to shoot and murder every police officer.  Mexicans are all MS13 and want to kill and decapitate the US and globally, chinks are trying to take over, and they allied with russia.  koreans are going to nuke the US and the world. according to media propaganda.  You got to admit, at one time, some form of news did talk about all those topics i mentioned lol

The media's idea of what is a global situation and what isn't, differs from mine. To me it means that it poses a threat to everyone and excluding no one, regardless of whether they are Muslim, Somalian, African American, Latino, Asian, Russian, Korean. Rapist are not limited by any of the aforementioned people. Anyone can be a rapists, even women.  

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« Reply #2093 on: March 26, 2020, 05:45:57 PM »
Fake news. Coronavirus is killing more per day than the flu and the numbers are growing exponentially (that means they are multiplying).

The world has shut down. Death is coming.


O RLY?


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« Reply #2094 on: March 26, 2020, 06:03:01 PM »
the root cause of why you are quarentined in your moms basement, and some of us can't get to actual jobs


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-failed-nsc-pandemic-000023392.html


Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook
By Dan Diamond and Nahal Toosi
PoliticoMarch 25, 2020, 8:00 PM EDT
The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.

The playbook also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump's recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.

“The U.S. government will use all powers at its disposal to prevent, slow or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat,” according to the playbook’s built-in “assumptions” about fighting future threats. “The American public will look to the U.S. government for action when multi-state or other significant events occur.”

The guide further calls for a “unified message” on the federal response, in order to best manage the American public's questions and concerns. “Early coordination of risk communications through a single federal spokesperson is critical,” the playbook urges. However, the U.S. response to coronavirus has featured a rotating cast of spokespeople and conflicting messages; Trump already is discussing loosening government recommendations on coronavirus in order to “open” the economy by Easter, despite the objections of public health advisers.

The NSC devised the guide — officially called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents, but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — across 2016. The project was driven by career civil servants as well as political appointees, aware that global leaders had initially fumbled their response to the 2014-2015 spread of Ebola and wanting to be sure that the next response to an epidemic was better handled.

The Trump administration was briefed on the playbook’s existence in 2017, said four former officials, but two cautioned that it never went through a full, National Security Council-led interagency process to be approved as Trump administration strategy. Tom Bossert, who was then Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about its potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.

Bossert declined to comment on any particular document, but told POLITICO that “I engaged actively with my outgoing counterpart and took seriously their transition materials and recommendations on pandemic preparedness.”

The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies.

“These are recommended discussions to be having on all levels, to ensure that there’s a structure to make decisions in real-time,” said a second former official.

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.

Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.

It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.

But under the Trump administration, “it just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf,” said one former U.S. official, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations. “It’s hard to tell how much senior leaders at agencies were even aware that this existed” or thought it was just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy.

The NSC playbook would have been especially useful in helping to drive the administration’s response to coronavirus, given that it was intended to guide urgent decisions and coordinate the all-of-government approach that Trump so far has struggled to muster, said people familiar with the document.

The color-coded playbook contains different sections based on the relative risk — green for normal operations, yellow for elevated threat, orange for credible threat and red once a public health emergency is declared — and details the potential roles of dozens of departments and agencies, from key players like the Health and Human Services department to the Department of Transportation and the FBI. It also includes sample documents intended to be used at coordinating meetings.

“While each emerging infectious disease threat will present itself in a unique way, a consistent, capabilities-based approach to addressing these threats will allow for faster decisions with more targeted expert subject matter input from federal departments and agencies,” the playbook reads.

The playbook lays out different strategies for policymakers based on the severity of the crisis and shares lessons gleaned from past outbreaks. For instance, one section is devoted to addressing 34 “key questions” and 21 “key decisions” as soon as there is a “credible threat” — which in the case of coronavirus would have been early-to-mid January, as it raged in China and as the first U.S. case was detected on Jan. 20 — and calls on officials to move quickly.

“We recommend early budget and financial analysis of various response scenarios and an early decision to request supplemental funding from Congress, if needed,” the guide urges. But the Trump administration waited more than a month to ask for emergency funding after the timeline laid out in the playbook.

The playbook also repeatedly urges officials to question official numbers about the viral spread. “What is our level of confidence on the case detection rate?” reads one question. “Is diagnostic capacity keeping up?” But across January and much of February, Trump administration officials publicly insisted that their diagnostic efforts were sufficient to detect coronavirus. Officials now privately concede that the administration’s well-documented testing problems have contributed to the outbreak’s silent spread across the United States, and health experts say that diagnostic capacity is only now in late March catching up to the need.

In a subsequent section, the playbook details steps to take if there’s evidence that the virus is spreading among humans, which the World Health Organization concluded by Jan. 22, or the U.S. government declared a public health emergency, which HHS Secretary Alex Azar did on Jan. 31.

Under that timeline, the federal government by late January should have been taking a lead role in “coordination of workforce protection activities including… [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment.” Those efforts are only now getting underway, health workers and doctors say.





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« Reply #2095 on: March 26, 2020, 07:02:02 PM »
the root cause of why you are quarentined in your moms basement, and some of us can't get to actual jobs


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-failed-nsc-pandemic-000023392.html


Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook
By Dan Diamond and Nahal Toosi
PoliticoMarch 25, 2020, 8:00 PM EDT
The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.

The playbook also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump's recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.

“The U.S. government will use all powers at its disposal to prevent, slow or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat,” according to the playbook’s built-in “assumptions” about fighting future threats. “The American public will look to the U.S. government for action when multi-state or other significant events occur.”

The guide further calls for a “unified message” on the federal response, in order to best manage the American public's questions and concerns. “Early coordination of risk communications through a single federal spokesperson is critical,” the playbook urges. However, the U.S. response to coronavirus has featured a rotating cast of spokespeople and conflicting messages; Trump already is discussing loosening government recommendations on coronavirus in order to “open” the economy by Easter, despite the objections of public health advisers.

The NSC devised the guide — officially called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents, but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — across 2016. The project was driven by career civil servants as well as political appointees, aware that global leaders had initially fumbled their response to the 2014-2015 spread of Ebola and wanting to be sure that the next response to an epidemic was better handled.

The Trump administration was briefed on the playbook’s existence in 2017, said four former officials, but two cautioned that it never went through a full, National Security Council-led interagency process to be approved as Trump administration strategy. Tom Bossert, who was then Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about its potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.

Bossert declined to comment on any particular document, but told POLITICO that “I engaged actively with my outgoing counterpart and took seriously their transition materials and recommendations on pandemic preparedness.”

The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies.

“These are recommended discussions to be having on all levels, to ensure that there’s a structure to make decisions in real-time,” said a second former official.

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.

Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.

It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.

But under the Trump administration, “it just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf,” said one former U.S. official, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations. “It’s hard to tell how much senior leaders at agencies were even aware that this existed” or thought it was just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy.

The NSC playbook would have been especially useful in helping to drive the administration’s response to coronavirus, given that it was intended to guide urgent decisions and coordinate the all-of-government approach that Trump so far has struggled to muster, said people familiar with the document.

The color-coded playbook contains different sections based on the relative risk — green for normal operations, yellow for elevated threat, orange for credible threat and red once a public health emergency is declared — and details the potential roles of dozens of departments and agencies, from key players like the Health and Human Services department to the Department of Transportation and the FBI. It also includes sample documents intended to be used at coordinating meetings.

“While each emerging infectious disease threat will present itself in a unique way, a consistent, capabilities-based approach to addressing these threats will allow for faster decisions with more targeted expert subject matter input from federal departments and agencies,” the playbook reads.

The playbook lays out different strategies for policymakers based on the severity of the crisis and shares lessons gleaned from past outbreaks. For instance, one section is devoted to addressing 34 “key questions” and 21 “key decisions” as soon as there is a “credible threat” — which in the case of coronavirus would have been early-to-mid January, as it raged in China and as the first U.S. case was detected on Jan. 20 — and calls on officials to move quickly.

“We recommend early budget and financial analysis of various response scenarios and an early decision to request supplemental funding from Congress, if needed,” the guide urges. But the Trump administration waited more than a month to ask for emergency funding after the timeline laid out in the playbook.

The playbook also repeatedly urges officials to question official numbers about the viral spread. “What is our level of confidence on the case detection rate?” reads one question. “Is diagnostic capacity keeping up?” But across January and much of February, Trump administration officials publicly insisted that their diagnostic efforts were sufficient to detect coronavirus. Officials now privately concede that the administration’s well-documented testing problems have contributed to the outbreak’s silent spread across the United States, and health experts say that diagnostic capacity is only now in late March catching up to the need.

In a subsequent section, the playbook details steps to take if there’s evidence that the virus is spreading among humans, which the World Health Organization concluded by Jan. 22, or the U.S. government declared a public health emergency, which HHS Secretary Alex Azar did on Jan. 31.

Under that timeline, the federal government by late January should have been taking a lead role in “coordination of workforce protection activities including… [personal protective equipment] determination, procurement and deployment.” Those efforts are only now getting underway, health workers and doctors say.






Dearth this is all wrong and mean.

Trump is the President. Show some respect.

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« Reply #2096 on: March 26, 2020, 07:53:46 PM »
FACT: The annual figures for the FLU are ESTIMATES

Stop using flu numbers to compare.


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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #2097 on: March 26, 2020, 08:16:17 PM »
FACT: The annual figures for the FLU are ESTIMATES

Stop using flu numbers to compare.



So we can’t trust the numbers we’ve been given for years but the numbers they’re giving us now should be taken as fact.... okay.

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« Reply #2098 on: March 26, 2020, 08:24:05 PM »
‘People Are Dying’: Battling Coronavirus Inside a N.Y.C. Hospital


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« Reply #2099 on: March 26, 2020, 08:24:28 PM »