Covid 19 - We are all screwed - discuss

[IroNat]

If a black man shoots and kills another black man, and the dead guy tests + for corona, is it a corona related death?

[bigkid]

If a black man shoots and kills another black man, and the dead guy tests + for corona, is it a corona related death?

That never happens.  Only white cops kill black men.  Do you not watch the news?

[painfull86]

quiet, gnat

That's sweet you sticking up for your internet boyfriend 

[mazrim]

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6147891073001#sp=show-clips

Tucker Carlson breaks down how bad the "models" have turned out.  

No fan of Tucker after this mess. He was right up there with the fear mongering. Had to stop watching him (not that I was consistent before). Pretty much only political TV program I watch is Liz Wheeler.

[G_Thang]

They keep placing patients supine, letting fluid trickle down and drown them, similar to a severe Apnea patient, should be moved the left side, which allows them to belly breath and exchange O2 better.  And the fight goes on!

[Thin Lizzy]

No fan of Tucker after this mess. He was right up there with the fear mongering. Had to stop watching him (not that I was consistent before). Pretty much only political TV program I watch is Liz Wheeler.

Fox has been no better than the liberal networks during this debacle. They keep posting the corona statistics like it’s a fucking basketball game. I haven’t watched for weeks now and I don’t intend to for several more.

[tommywishbone]

Now they are saying that 8 out of every 10 that have died from this candy ass virus were either lifetime smokers or obese.

Measles and Polio and rolling around on the floor laughing at Covid19.

[tommywishbone]

I'm surprised Trump doesn't bring tommywishbone, thin lizzy and soulcrusher with him when he speaks to the nation.

Trump just sent me a text! I'll be on the broadcast tomorrow. Tune in!

[anabolicguru]

That never happens.  Only white cops kill black men.  Do you not watch the news?

okay jussie smollett

[Hypertrophy]

Trump just sent me a text! I'll be on the broadcast tomorrow. Tune in!

Good news! Now give that fascist Fauci an elbow to the ribs while you're there, haha

[el numero uno]

I’m no math PhD, but from my understanding half of 200,000 is 100,000. From 200 to 60k is 70%.

At this point, you have to be beyond stupid to believe anything you hear:


Fauci Says U.S. Virus Deaths May Be 60,000, Half of Projections

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/fauci-says-u-s-virus-deaths-may-be-60-000-halving-projections


Anthony Fauci: U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Could Near 200,000 | National News | US News

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-03-29/anthony-fauci-us-coronavirus-deaths-could-near-200-000

The article attributes the reduction of future number of deaths to the social distancing measures that will have 5-6 weeks by then. Thus, the article implies the projection assumed no social distancing.

The falling projection, the result of aggressive social distancing behaviors Americans adopted to curb the spread of the virus, may accelerate Trump’s effort to develop a plan to urge Americans to leave their homes and return to work next month.

“The real data are telling us it is highly likely we are having a definite positive effect by the mitigation things that we’re doing, this physical separation,” Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told NBC in an interview.

The question is, are you comparing a projection that assumed NO SOCIAL DISTANCING vs number of confirmed cases with 5-6 weeks of social distancing measures having been implemented?



EDIT: not sure how about the date for the prediction. If it is early August, the social distancing measures should have 6 weeks by then.

[loco]

So far:

US Corona death rate: 4%

Spain Corona death rate: 10%

Italy Corona death rate: 13%

[loco]

CDC Releases Early Demographic Snapshot of Worst Coronavirus Cases

Approximately 90% of the 1,482 hospitalized patients included in the study released Wednesday had one or more underlying medical conditions. Older people infected with the virus were more likely to be hospitalized; men were more likely to endure severe cases than women; and black people were hospitalized at a higher rate than whites. The study also found that hospitalization rates for COVID-19 have been significantly higher than for recent outbreaks of influenza.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-releases-early-demographic-snapshot-185459389.html

[Humble Narcissist]

So far:

US Corona death rate: 4%

Spain Corona death rate: 10%

Italy Corona death rate: 13%

Not even close.  The vast majority of people who have been exposed to the virus will never know it and anyone who dies WITH the virus is said to have died OF the virus.

[loco]

Not even close.  The vast majority of people who have been exposed to the virus will never know it and anyone who dies WITH the virus is said to have died OF the virus.

I'm going by the published numbers of infected vs dead, which change depending on who you ask, and all numbers regardless of source are questionable to me.

But yes, the number of infected is probably far greater, which would make the percentage of deaths due to Corona far smaller.

[Thin Lizzy]

The article attributes the reduction of future number of deaths to the social distancing measures that will have 5-6 weeks by then. Thus, the article implies the projection assumed no social distancing.

The question is, are you comparing a projection that assumed NO SOCIAL DISTANCING vs number of confirmed cases with 5-6 weeks of social distancing measures having been implemented?



EDIT: not sure how about the date for the prediction. If it is early August, the social distancing measures should have 6 weeks by then.

This is just past embarrassing. 90% of the people had pre-existing serious illnesses.  How much socializing could they have been doing?

The little shit did the same thing that he did back in the 80s with AIDS . He assumed that it would explode into the general population. This idiotic assumption predicated on the idea that Gay men would suddenly start having sex with women. 35 years later it hasn’t happened. This won’t happen either.

Seriously, do you question anything you hear from the mainstream media and the politicians? There is literally no line of bullshit that you haven’t bought hook line and sinker.

[el numero uno]

This is just past embarrassing. 90% of the people had pre-existing serious illnesses.  How much socializing could they have beendoing?

The little shit did the same thing that he did back in the 80s with AIDS . He assumed that it would explode into the general population. This idiotic assumption predicated on the idea that Gay men would suddenly start having sex with women. 35 years later it hasn’t happened. This won’t happen either.

Seriously, do you question anything you hear from the mainstream media and the politicians? There is literally no line of bullshit that you haven’t bought hook line and sinker.

You must be one of the dumbest posters on here.

Ok, so I take it you're not even aware if the things you're comparing (model vs data) have the same variables.

Nice try twisting pre-existing pathologies into "pre-existing serious illnesses". What were those "pre-existing serious illnesses"?

Were they lung cancer, heart attacks? Or high blood pressure, diabetes? Have you even looked at the data?

So far, you haven't been able to answer not even single one of the questions directed towards you. All the speculation falls apart at the slightest analysis. It's like if you draw an helicopter and expect it to fly. You're one of a kind.

[Griffith]

In South Africa, lockdown has been extended for 2 weeks after the current 3 weeks, making it a 5 week lockdown.

[Thin Lizzy]

You must be one of the dumbest posters on here.

Ok, so I take it you're not even aware if the things you're comparing (model vs data) have the same variables.

Nice try twisting pre-existing pathologies into "pre-existing serious illnesses". What were those "pre-existing serious illnesses"?

Were they lung cancer, heart attacks? Or high blood pressure, diabetes? Have you even looked at the data?

So far, you haven't been able to answer not even single one of the questions directed towards you. All the speculation falls apart at the slightest analysis. It's like if you draw an helicopter and expect it to fly. You're one of a kind.

You act like you’re in the majority here. You’re not. Most people agree with me. Can you blame them? Why would anyone listen to you? You change your story and move the goalposts every day. I never have to do that:

I know how this plays out. To justify these interventions, they’re going to have to artificially bump up the victim numbers to the point where somebody gets hit by a truck and turns out to have a positive corona test is said to have died of corona.

The Way the U.S. is Counting Wuhan Coronavirus Deaths Seems Problematic
Townhall ^ | 04/08/2020 | Katie Pavlich
Posted on 4/8/2020, 10:00:23 AM by SeekAndFind

During the White House Wuhan coronavirus task force briefing Tuesday evening, Dr. Deborah Birx said the United States has taken a "liberal approach" in the way doctors classify deaths from the virus.
Dr. Birx confirms ALL DEATHS of people infected with coronavirus -- regardless of underlying conditions -- are classified as COVID-19 deaths

[Thin Lizzy]

I’m sure the genius Uno has a perfectly good explanation for why a virus that started in China and was supposedly spread by Chinese Nationals, has affected blacks and Puerto Ricans in New York City to a much greater extent than it has Asians.

Apparently, this Chinese virus has affected everyone in New York City except the Chinese.😂😂😂



Black, Hispanic represent majority of NYC’s coronavirus deaths: de Blasio - New York Daily News

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-black-hispanic-new-yorkers-20200408-6w7r6jpzgvfwzdiajdtd736k2e-story.html

Hispanics account for 34% of the city’s deaths and black people, 28%, while whites comprised 27% of fatalities and Asians, 7%, according to the state Health Department.

[Dokey111]

You must be one of the dumbest posters on here.

Ok, so I take it you're not even aware if the things you're comparing (model vs data) have the same variables.

Nice try twisting pre-existing pathologies into "pre-existing serious illnesses". What were those "pre-existing serious illnesses"?

Were they lung cancer, heart attacks? Or high blood pressure, diabetes? Have you even looked at the data?

So far, you haven't been able to answer not even single one of the questions directed towards you. All the speculation falls apart at the slightest analysis. It's like if you draw an helicopter and expect it to fly. You're one of a kind.

lol you should stop

[el numero uno]

You act like you’re in the majority here. You’re not. Most people agree with me. Can you blame them? Why would anyone listen to you? You change your story and move the goalposts every day. I never have to do that:

"The majority" is not a good argument for anything.

Why don't you try for the first time actually addresing the questions directed towards you?

You either:

a) lack the mental capacity.
b) are trolling.

[el numero uno]

I’m sure the genius Uno has a perfectly good explanation for why a virus that started in China and was supposedly spread by Chinese Nationals, has affected blacks and Puerto Ricans in New York City to a much greater extent than it has Asians.

Apparently, this Chinese virus has affected everyone in New York City except the Chinese.😂😂😂



Black, Hispanic represent majority of NYC’s coronavirus deaths: de Blasio - New York Daily News

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-black-hispanic-new-yorkers-20200408-6w7r6jpzgvfwzdiajdtd736k2e-story.html

Hispanics account for 34% of the city’s deaths and black people, 28%, while whites comprised 27% of fatalities and Asians, 7%, according to the state Health Department.

I haven't even taken a look at it, and to be honest I don't think I could point out at the reasons.

But let me guess, your explanation is that is that it's an hoax. Yep, great work there.

[Thin Lizzy]

Yawn


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/fauci-says-u-s-virus-deaths-may-be-60-000-halving-projections

Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House’s coronavirus task force, projected March 31 that as many as 240,000 Americans could die as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, even with another 30 days of stringent public health restrictions.

[el numero uno]

Yawn


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/fauci-says-u-s-virus-deaths-may-be-60-000-halving-projections

Deborah Birx, the State Department immunologist advising the White House’s coronavirus task force, projected March 31 that as many as 240,000 Americans could die as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, even with another 30 days of stringent public health restrictions.

A model being off doesn't prove your theories about:

- How Covid-19 is a hoax with the intention of devaluating the dollar.
- Pre-conditions being mainly catastrophic illnesses.
- How people with pre-conditions shouldn't be counted on the statistics.
- Data being manipulated to inflate numbers in hispanics and blacks populations.
- How the low sensivity of Covid-19 test inflates the number of cases (it does the opposite!).
- How exponential growth should be linear.

See, you've been polluting every single thread with your conspiracy theories and every single question directed towards you has been answered with generic replies.

I'm actually glad that that model in the US is off. Doesn't mean you were right, it means we have more data now and can make better predictions. That's how science works, revisiting models and plugging in new data.

Conspiracy theories with no substance except for a burning desire of going against general consensus have no place in society.