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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3750 on: May 22, 2020, 08:49:12 PM »
And just to be clear, what I think of Covid-19, based on what we now know is:

- It's a flu on steroids, with 5-10 times the death rate.
- Social distancing is needed.
- Quarantines may have been helpful in places with weak health systems, in order to prepare for the disease, but they're not sustainable and need to be lifted.
- Most deaths involve people in their older years.
- Around a quarter of people who have died from Covid could have lived another 10 years if they didn't get the disease.
- A very small proportion of young, healthy individuals die from it, but it's unclear why.

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« Reply #3751 on: May 22, 2020, 10:45:01 PM »
Man Who Has Never Had an Actual Job Encourages Laid-Off Workers to Pick Fruit

The Prince of Wales is a 71-year-old man who has more first names (four) than he's had actual jobs (zero), but that hasn't stopped everyone's second least-favorite Royal from suggesting that recently unemployed Brits should be more-than-willing to earn a single-digit hourly wage while picking fruit for the next several months.

In a video posted to Twitter, a ruddy-cheeked Prince Charles stood on the impeccably manicured grounds of his 53,000 acre Scottish estate and, for 95 carefully enunciated seconds, explained that the country needs people who "are genuinely going to commit" to the exhausting work of harvesting fruits and vegetables for the remainder of the growing season.

"If we are to harvest British fruit and vegetables this year, we need an army of people to help. Food does not happen by magic. It all begins with our remarkable farmers and growers," he said. "It will be hard graft, but is hugely important if we are to avoid the growing crops going to waste [...] I do not doubt that the work will be unglamorous and at times challenging, but it is of utmost importance and, at the height of this global pandemic, you will be making a vital contribution to the national effort."

Charles name dropped Pick for Britain, the government's newly launched campaign to find seasonal help for farms and farmers who desperately need it. According to The Guardian, 98 percent of the United Kingdom's fruit pickers came from countries elsewhere in Europe last year, with the majority of them arriving from Bulgaria and Romania. In late March, before the UK locked itself down, the Concordia charity had secured the services of more than 10,000 foreign workers, but only a handful of them were allowed to travel in time.

Due to a combination of coronavirus-related travel restrictions, a controversial immigration bill that targets so-called "unskilled" workers, and good old fashioned xenophobia, there are anywhere between 70,000 and 90,000 seasonal positions that still need to be filled—and fast. On Tuesday, Environment Secretary George Eustice introduced the shiny new Pick for Britain website for job-seekers who are ready to be up to their elbows in broad beans.

"We believe those who are furloughed may be getting to the point that they want to lend a hand and play their part," he said. “They may be wanting to get out and they may be wanting to supplement their income. If they do feel that way, I would urge them to use that website and look at the opportunities that are there." (And then Symbolism put one in the back of the net, because the site promptly crashed.)

Pick For Britain emphasizes that the available jobs "can be hard work," and it recommends that all applicants should have a good level of physical fitness before getting started. "You will be part of a supportive team, often working outside in the fresh air and you are bound to make new friends," it optimistically continues. (It also adds that workers will "always be paid the national minimum/living wage for the average of the hours that you work," so perhaps you and your new friends can make homes for yourselves underneath some of the empty strawberry boxes scattered around the farm.)

On Twitter, a significant number of responses to Prince Charles' message, and to the follow-up post from Clarence House describing him as "a farmer himself," were some variation on "You first, mate." Others pointed out how ridiculous it looks for a man whose challenging job responsibilities include selecting the Royal Harpist to encourage people to sign up for underpaid physical labor.

According to the most recent annual report from the Duchy of Cornwall, which funds the "personal and professional expenditure" of Prince Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, he received £21.6 million (US $26.4 million) last year. So yeah, let's hear that part about 'hard-graft' again.

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3752 on: May 22, 2020, 11:56:03 PM »


You are assuming that the tests have been focused on people on the brink of death, instead of people with symptoms associated with Covid-19. Until you back up that claim with sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.
they have only been testing people on the brink of death in initially in the UK, they still have a shitty testing system

Now it's assumed that health professionals have no idea what they're doing, or that they're blindly following malicious guidelines. Again, without sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.
thet have guidance to advise them how to establish cause of death, I posted it here before, its not that they dont know what they are doing, they are told what to do
Draconian measures have been taken, that's true. For how long they've been planned out, or how they're helping parties currently in power is unclear.
there is zero evidence that lockdowns actually reduce the spread of the virus, in fact the main source of contamination is in the home, they have already told us this.
True, but that wouldn't increase Covid-19 cases.
There are hardly any "covid deaths" covid doesn't actually kill many people at all, its the associated conditions they have, now anyone dies with anything they always add covid to the stats
Same assumptions as number 2.
there is evidence for all those points...Just because it wasnt added here doesnt make it false
I don't think most people think it's wrong to question the media or the goverment. In fact, I think most people understandably doubt these two.

At least in my case, I question those who have made the decision of rule out Covid-19 as a hoax right from the start, with literally no evidence whatsoever. Those people have made out their minds a long time ago, and nothing is gonna change that.

Its nota hoax in the sense that there is no virus, its a hoax in the sense of the severity of the virus

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3753 on: May 23, 2020, 12:03:49 AM »
And just to be clear, what I think of Covid-19, based on what we now know is:

- It's a flu on steroids, with 5-10 times the death rate.
Nope, in most years flu kills between 16K and 28k people in the UK


- Social distancing is needed.
all social distancing will do is slow the rate of infection, it isnt going to rid the world of covid, its here forever

- Quarantines may have been helpful in places with weak health systems, in order to prepare for the disease, but they're not sustainable and need to be lifted.
The highest transmission rates are in the home so lockdown may have made it worse

- Most deaths involve people in their older years.
Almost all

- Around a quarter of people who have died from Covid could have lived another 10 years if they didn't get the disease.
without a list of their pre-existing conditions you have no idea if thats true

- A very small proportion of young, healthy individuals die from it, but it's unclear why.
In the UK 350 people under 60 has died from Covid that didnt have any other pre-existing conditions, the stats show you are more likely to drown than die from Covid 19, (400 people a year die in the UK on average from drowning every year.) the young people that have died had pre existing conditions


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« Reply #3754 on: May 23, 2020, 02:11:55 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:




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« Reply #3755 on: May 23, 2020, 02:34:11 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:


Exactly Right - Again & again the figures do not back up what is in place & being done to people
Around the world. I can’t but he’ll think there’s An Agenda & Very Likely an elite group with immense control ( yes I know out there conspiracy theory - Pass the Tin Foil Hat Pls- Only it all Don’t sit right in my mind) 

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« Reply #3756 on: May 23, 2020, 03:07:09 AM »

Exactly Right - Again & again the figures do not back up what is in place & being done to people
Around the world. I can’t but he’ll think there’s An Agenda & Very Likely an elite group with immense control ( yes I know out there conspiracy theory - Pass the Tin Foil Hat Pls- Only it all Don’t sit right in my mind)

That  anybody who questions this is labeled a conspiracy theorist speaks volumes. Given the events of the past three months, it’s  perfectly understandable for people to ask some hard questions, and wonder or suspect that something else is going.

Yet, for some reason, the media doesn’t believe any alternative opinions should be heard.

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« Reply #3757 on: May 23, 2020, 03:25:05 AM »
They knew in advance the length of the shutdown. That’s why he’s changing his tune now:


Dr. Anthony Fauci: says 'I don't understand why' every state hasn't issued stay-at-home orders - CNNPolitics

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/fauci-stay-home-coronavirus-states-cnntv/index.html


https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-fauci-irreparable-damage-stay-at-home-too-long-2020-5


"We can't stay locked down for such a considerable period of time that you might do irreparable damage and have unintended consequences, including consequences for health," Fauci said

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« Reply #3758 on: May 23, 2020, 03:41:57 AM »
sham and incompetence from the git-go
very dumb people running the country and even dumber ones voting them in a defending them
ame people who are up in arms over a black kid being killed when the kill thousands per week each (black on black crime)
media should be ashamed, fined heavily, even arrested for inciting violence
if the rednecks get-off on th is in some way, the blacks will do their normal looting and killing in protest
meanwhile how many blacks will murder this weekend in chicago, balty, etc
maybe Prime will get killed or a family member, might change his mind the bleeding heart cuckold
embarrassment

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« Reply #3759 on: May 23, 2020, 04:20:19 AM »
sham and incompetence from the git-go
very dumb people running the country and even dumber ones voting them in a defending them
ame people who are up in arms over a black kid being killed when the kill thousands per week each (black on black crime)
media should be ashamed, fined heavily, even arrested for inciting violence
if the rednecks get-off on th is in some way, the blacks will do their normal looting and killing in protest
meanwhile how many blacks will murder this weekend in chicago, balty, etc
maybe Prime will get killed or a family member, might change his mind the bleeding heart cuckold
embarrassment

Not gonna happen. The last time Prime saw a black in person, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors was the number one album in the country.

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« Reply #3760 on: May 23, 2020, 04:26:27 AM »
Not gonna happen. The last time Prime saw a black in person, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors was the number one album in the country.
Good album.

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« Reply #3761 on: May 23, 2020, 04:31:56 AM »
Good album.

This was my favorite tune from it:



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« Reply #3762 on: May 23, 2020, 04:52:50 AM »
Rory still refuses to go anywhere.  :'( :'( :-[ :-[
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« Reply #3763 on: May 23, 2020, 04:55:48 AM »
Rory still refuses to go anywhere.  :'( :'( :-[ :-[
Gay people fear the Kung Flu but don't worry about HIV. ???

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« Reply #3764 on: May 23, 2020, 05:22:22 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:


Did you conclude social interaction and covid deaths were inversely related withouth factoring in Age?

Age is a known confounding factor for Covid deaths, so it should be taken into account.

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« Reply #3765 on: May 23, 2020, 06:50:04 AM »
Gay people fear the Kung Flu but don't worry about HIV. ???

Pretty sure SF1090 and Rory are not gay.  They're pansexual.   ???

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« Reply #3766 on: May 23, 2020, 07:56:20 AM »


Did you conclude social interaction and covid deaths were inversely related withouth factoring in Age?

Age is a known confounding factor for Covid deaths, so it should be taken into account.

That’s the whole point. Young people are the ones riding the trains and working in offices and going to bars, clubs, concerts and parks. Yet, were virtually unaffected.


At this point, you’re the only one left here who is still buying into the mainstream media’s bullshit.

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« Reply #3767 on: May 23, 2020, 08:27:42 AM »
Fat, ugly and stupid - the cure for covid19 !


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« Reply #3768 on: May 23, 2020, 09:11:20 AM »
That’s the whole point. Young people are the ones riding the trains and working in offices and going to bars, clubs, concerts and parks. Yet, were virtually unaffected.


You are not taking into account Age when dismissing Social Distancing effects.

Imagine studying the effects of nutrition on the Height of teenagers, and not taking into account the variable Age. Nutrition would basically have zero effect on Height because you'd have one big confounding variable not taken into account affecting all the data.

It's the same situation in your example.

At this point, you’re the only one left here who is still buying into the mainstream media’s bullshit.

Ha! Like if Getbig was the epitome of reasoning and logic. The fact that we have so many members calling Covid a hoax means nothing.

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« Reply #3769 on: May 23, 2020, 09:21:19 AM »
wooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhh

#scamdemic




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« Reply #3770 on: May 23, 2020, 10:40:42 AM »


You are not taking into account Age when dismissing Social Distancing effects.

Imagine studying the effects of nutrition on the Height of teenagers, and not taking into account the variable Age. Nutrition would basically have zero effect on Height because you'd have one big confounding variable not taken into account affecting all the data.

It's the same situation in your example.

Ha! Like if Getbig was the epitome of reasoning and logic. The fact that we have so many members calling Covid a hoax means nothing.

And you’re not taking accounts people in the oldest age groups also have the highest mortality rates. Give them the stupid fucking test which is largely inaccurate and their heart disease, asthma, diabetes, and cancer magically becomes corona.

Where do you live? I live in the most densely populated area of New York City and I’m telling you were it not for the media hysteria and the state interventions nobody would’ve noticed anything wrong. Either I’m full of shit or I’ve been stepping over bodies for the last three months. I’ll let Getbig decide.

And if we’re all such idiots and you’re such a genius, why are you here? Spend your time on Twitter with the rest of the frustrated Hillary supporters.

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« Reply #3771 on: May 23, 2020, 10:45:05 AM »
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« Reply #3772 on: May 23, 2020, 10:46:33 AM »
wooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhh

#scamdemic



Literally everything we’ve been told so far has been either inconsistent or flat out wrong. I give it until about July 4 until we hear that the general population wearing masks in public does more harm than good.

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« Reply #3773 on: May 23, 2020, 11:27:06 AM »
And you’re not taking accounts people in the oldest age groups also have the highest mortality rates. Give them the stupid fucking test which is largely inaccurate and their heart disease, asthma, diabetes, and cancer magically becomes corona.

Where do you live? I live in the most densely populated area of New York City and I’m telling you were it not for the media hysteria and the state interventions nobody would’ve noticed anything wrong. Either I’m full of shit or I’ve been stepping over bodies for the last three months. I’ll let Getbig decide.

And if we’re all such idiots and you’re such a genius, why are you here? Spend your time on Twitter with the rest of the frustrated Hillary supporters.

Exactly.

Considering that 80-90% or more as asymptomatic as well.

The vast majority of the people dying from this have other health issues or underlying problems and the others showing symptoms are most likely people with weak immune systems.

The majority of healthy people are not going to notice anything if they've contracted the virus.

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« Reply #3774 on: May 23, 2020, 12:35:57 PM »
And you’re not taking accounts people in the oldest age groups also have the highest mortality rates.


Your claim was that social distancing has zero effect on the number of covid cases. I said Age needs to be factored in and you obviously missed the point, or are just trying to change the subject.

Give them the stupid fucking test which is largely inaccurate and their heart disease, asthma, diabetes, and cancer magically becomes corona.

Two huge assumptions being made here.

1. The specifity of Covid tests has been evaluated, and the more common tests have a specifity higher than 95%. That means, less than 5 false negatives per 100 tests. So, the assumption about a highly inaccurate test can be dismissed. Sensitivity is around those numbers as well, so the number of false negatives and false positives cancel out each other, in the sense that the number of cases is not inflated.

2. Unless you post sound evidence that health professionals are following some malicious guidelines, there's no reason to accept that as true.


Where do you live? I live in the most densely populated area of New York City and I’m telling you were it not for the media hysteria and the state interventions nobody would’ve noticed anything wrong. Either I’m full of shit or I’ve been stepping over bodies for the last three months. I’ll let Getbig decide.

Anectodal evidence is useless to determine the severity of Covid. Let alone a highly biased individual's one.

Remember when the Italian Lifter warned us about Covid and most posters dismissed his claims? This is no different.


And if we’re all such idiots and you’re such a genius, why are you here? Spend your time on Twitter with the rest of the frustrated Hillary supporters.

Meltdown.