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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3750 on: May 22, 2020, 03:33:12 PM »
I'm asymptomatic, same as the rest of my family, and the same as the other 80-90% of people who get COVID-19. So this virus does not bother me.

I never get the flu either, so I was expecting the same with this and had no symptoms.

It seems to mostly effect people with weak immune systems or other underlying conditions.

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« Reply #3751 on: May 22, 2020, 05:28:15 PM »
I'm asymptomatic, same as the rest of my family, and the same as the other 80-90% of people who get COVID-19. So this virus does not bother me.

I never get the flu either, so I was expecting the same with this and had no symptoms.

It seems to mostly effect people with weak immune systems or other underlying conditions.

Just to be safe, knock on wood. Like you, I have never had the flu that I know of, so this probably means I am either immune or asymptomatic. And considering the usual indications my immune system seems like it must be very strong....good genetics....makes sense. Most people have some physical weaknesses. There is a lot of cancer in my family. Since middle age, I've had incidences of what the doctors described as pre-cancers having to do with organs, mostly skin and nothing fortunately connected to my blood, (my grandfather died of leukemia which he lived with for a long time before it took him at a very advanced age).

I actually have thought very little about becoming infected with COVID-19 although I am wearing a mask when it public to protect others should I be a carrier. Not to be political here, but that's the one thing that pisses me off about Trump not wearing a mask, particularly when he toured the Ford manufacturing plant. He can feel as invincible as he wants and I have no issue, but he doesn't get that wearing a mask is not for self protection so much as it is to protect those around you.   

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3752 on: May 22, 2020, 06:28:54 PM »
Patrick Ewing in hospital with Covid19.

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« Reply #3753 on: May 22, 2020, 07:22:35 PM »
Patrick Ewing in hospital with Covid19.

OMG! Who's next.

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« Reply #3754 on: May 22, 2020, 08:32:05 PM »
This actually looks like a solid post until you actually think about it and realize it's not a solid post.

Here are the 10 steps you should employ, if you want to turn an unthreatening virus into a global power grab.
1 Start with a poorly defined virus, add an inaccurate test for it, and encourage as many terminally or critically ill people as possible to be repeat tested until they test positive.

You are assuming that the tests have been focused on people on the brink of death, instead of people with symptoms associated with Covid-19. Until you back up that claim with sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.

2 Report your inevitably very high death rates and get vague about whether these people died OF the virus or simply WITH it.

Now it's assumed that health professionals have no idea what they're doing, or that they're blindly following malicious guidelines. Again, without sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.

3 Create a ‘response’ to the ‘crisis’ that rolls out a vast network of authoritarian measures, some of which have been in planning for a long while, and only a minority of which have any possible application to pandemic-prevention. (Make sure to cancel elections until further notice and to hugely increase police powers of arrest and surveillance)

Draconian measures have been taken, that's true. For how long they've been planned out, or how they're helping parties currently in power is unclear.

4 Shut down your hospitals to all but ‘covid cases’. Cancel elective surgeries, kidney dialysis, cancer treatments, normal GP consultations and all “non-emergency healthcare”. Thus inevitably increasing all-cause mortality.

True, but that wouldn't increase Covid-19 cases.

5 Change your laws in numerous ways to allow almost all of these new deaths to bypass normal checks and balances and be easily diagnosed as ‘covid-19 related’, either with the inaccurate test or simply by ‘clinical presentation’.
6 In case some attending medics are reluctant to go along with this, change the law to allow a single MD, who may never even have seen the patient in question, to diagnose covid19 at his/her own discretion.
7 Report the startling numbers of ‘new cases’ you find as a result of these various manipulations, as evidence for how essential the new authoritarian measures are for ‘saving lives’.
8 With no sense of irony introduce mandatory Do Not Resuscitate (DNR)s for any demographic you consider useless eaters. (If challenged talk about human suffering, limited healthcare resources and ventilators)
9 Don’t forget to add any ensuing deaths to the covid19 totals.

Same assumptions as number 2.

10 Make sure the media calls anyone who questions any part of this a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

I don't think most people think it's wrong to question the media or the goverment. In fact, I think most people understandably doubt these two.

At least in my case, I question those who have made the decision of rule out Covid-19 as a hoax right from the start, with literally no evidence whatsoever. Those people have made out their minds a long time ago, and nothing is gonna change that.

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« Reply #3755 on: May 22, 2020, 08:49:12 PM »
And just to be clear, what I think of Covid-19, based on what we now know is:

- It's a flu on steroids, with 5-10 times the death rate.
- Social distancing is needed.
- Quarantines may have been helpful in places with weak health systems, in order to prepare for the disease, but they're not sustainable and need to be lifted.
- Most deaths involve people in their older years.
- Around a quarter of people who have died from Covid could have lived another 10 years if they didn't get the disease.
- A very small proportion of young, healthy individuals die from it, but it's unclear why.

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« Reply #3756 on: May 22, 2020, 10:45:01 PM »
Man Who Has Never Had an Actual Job Encourages Laid-Off Workers to Pick Fruit

The Prince of Wales is a 71-year-old man who has more first names (four) than he's had actual jobs (zero), but that hasn't stopped everyone's second least-favorite Royal from suggesting that recently unemployed Brits should be more-than-willing to earn a single-digit hourly wage while picking fruit for the next several months.

In a video posted to Twitter, a ruddy-cheeked Prince Charles stood on the impeccably manicured grounds of his 53,000 acre Scottish estate and, for 95 carefully enunciated seconds, explained that the country needs people who "are genuinely going to commit" to the exhausting work of harvesting fruits and vegetables for the remainder of the growing season.

"If we are to harvest British fruit and vegetables this year, we need an army of people to help. Food does not happen by magic. It all begins with our remarkable farmers and growers," he said. "It will be hard graft, but is hugely important if we are to avoid the growing crops going to waste [...] I do not doubt that the work will be unglamorous and at times challenging, but it is of utmost importance and, at the height of this global pandemic, you will be making a vital contribution to the national effort."

Charles name dropped Pick for Britain, the government's newly launched campaign to find seasonal help for farms and farmers who desperately need it. According to The Guardian, 98 percent of the United Kingdom's fruit pickers came from countries elsewhere in Europe last year, with the majority of them arriving from Bulgaria and Romania. In late March, before the UK locked itself down, the Concordia charity had secured the services of more than 10,000 foreign workers, but only a handful of them were allowed to travel in time.

Due to a combination of coronavirus-related travel restrictions, a controversial immigration bill that targets so-called "unskilled" workers, and good old fashioned xenophobia, there are anywhere between 70,000 and 90,000 seasonal positions that still need to be filled—and fast. On Tuesday, Environment Secretary George Eustice introduced the shiny new Pick for Britain website for job-seekers who are ready to be up to their elbows in broad beans.

"We believe those who are furloughed may be getting to the point that they want to lend a hand and play their part," he said. “They may be wanting to get out and they may be wanting to supplement their income. If they do feel that way, I would urge them to use that website and look at the opportunities that are there." (And then Symbolism put one in the back of the net, because the site promptly crashed.)

Pick For Britain emphasizes that the available jobs "can be hard work," and it recommends that all applicants should have a good level of physical fitness before getting started. "You will be part of a supportive team, often working outside in the fresh air and you are bound to make new friends," it optimistically continues. (It also adds that workers will "always be paid the national minimum/living wage for the average of the hours that you work," so perhaps you and your new friends can make homes for yourselves underneath some of the empty strawberry boxes scattered around the farm.)

On Twitter, a significant number of responses to Prince Charles' message, and to the follow-up post from Clarence House describing him as "a farmer himself," were some variation on "You first, mate." Others pointed out how ridiculous it looks for a man whose challenging job responsibilities include selecting the Royal Harpist to encourage people to sign up for underpaid physical labor.

According to the most recent annual report from the Duchy of Cornwall, which funds the "personal and professional expenditure" of Prince Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, he received £21.6 million (US $26.4 million) last year. So yeah, let's hear that part about 'hard-graft' again.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akzdne/man-who-has-never-had-an-actual-job-encourages-laid-off-workers-to-pick-fruit?utm_content=1590206401&utm_medium=social&utm_source=VICE_facebook&fbclid=IwAR1OnJrwsmInlLD7LnvXDrADaEH2OuA_167cZ_nkCMYYeQ-YKJPI95JfuzY

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Re: Coronavirus - We are all screwed - discuss
« Reply #3757 on: May 22, 2020, 11:56:03 PM »


You are assuming that the tests have been focused on people on the brink of death, instead of people with symptoms associated with Covid-19. Until you back up that claim with sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.
they have only been testing people on the brink of death in initially in the UK, they still have a shitty testing system

Now it's assumed that health professionals have no idea what they're doing, or that they're blindly following malicious guidelines. Again, without sound evidence, there's no reason to accept this as true.
thet have guidance to advise them how to establish cause of death, I posted it here before, its not that they dont know what they are doing, they are told what to do
Draconian measures have been taken, that's true. For how long they've been planned out, or how they're helping parties currently in power is unclear.
there is zero evidence that lockdowns actually reduce the spread of the virus, in fact the main source of contamination is in the home, they have already told us this.
True, but that wouldn't increase Covid-19 cases.
There are hardly any "covid deaths" covid doesn't actually kill many people at all, its the associated conditions they have, now anyone dies with anything they always add covid to the stats
Same assumptions as number 2.
there is evidence for all those points...Just because it wasnt added here doesnt make it false
I don't think most people think it's wrong to question the media or the goverment. In fact, I think most people understandably doubt these two.

At least in my case, I question those who have made the decision of rule out Covid-19 as a hoax right from the start, with literally no evidence whatsoever. Those people have made out their minds a long time ago, and nothing is gonna change that.

Its nota hoax in the sense that there is no virus, its a hoax in the sense of the severity of the virus

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« Reply #3758 on: May 23, 2020, 12:03:49 AM »
And just to be clear, what I think of Covid-19, based on what we now know is:

- It's a flu on steroids, with 5-10 times the death rate.
Nope, in most years flu kills between 16K and 28k people in the UK


- Social distancing is needed.
all social distancing will do is slow the rate of infection, it isnt going to rid the world of covid, its here forever

- Quarantines may have been helpful in places with weak health systems, in order to prepare for the disease, but they're not sustainable and need to be lifted.
The highest transmission rates are in the home so lockdown may have made it worse

- Most deaths involve people in their older years.
Almost all

- Around a quarter of people who have died from Covid could have lived another 10 years if they didn't get the disease.
without a list of their pre-existing conditions you have no idea if thats true

- A very small proportion of young, healthy individuals die from it, but it's unclear why.
In the UK 350 people under 60 has died from Covid that didnt have any other pre-existing conditions, the stats show you are more likely to drown than die from Covid 19, (400 people a year die in the UK on average from drowning every year.) the young people that have died had pre existing conditions


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« Reply #3759 on: May 23, 2020, 02:11:55 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:




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« Reply #3760 on: May 23, 2020, 02:34:11 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:


Exactly Right - Again & again the figures do not back up what is in place & being done to people
Around the world. I can’t but he’ll think there’s An Agenda & Very Likely an elite group with immense control ( yes I know out there conspiracy theory - Pass the Tin Foil Hat Pls- Only it all Don’t sit right in my mind) 

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« Reply #3761 on: May 23, 2020, 03:07:09 AM »

Exactly Right - Again & again the figures do not back up what is in place & being done to people
Around the world. I can’t but he’ll think there’s An Agenda & Very Likely an elite group with immense control ( yes I know out there conspiracy theory - Pass the Tin Foil Hat Pls- Only it all Don’t sit right in my mind)

That  anybody who questions this is labeled a conspiracy theorist speaks volumes. Given the events of the past three months, it’s  perfectly understandable for people to ask some hard questions, and wonder or suspect that something else is going.

Yet, for some reason, the media doesn’t believe any alternative opinions should be heard.

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« Reply #3762 on: May 23, 2020, 03:25:05 AM »
They knew in advance the length of the shutdown. That’s why he’s changing his tune now:


Dr. Anthony Fauci: says 'I don't understand why' every state hasn't issued stay-at-home orders - CNNPolitics

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/fauci-stay-home-coronavirus-states-cnntv/index.html


https://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-fauci-irreparable-damage-stay-at-home-too-long-2020-5


"We can't stay locked down for such a considerable period of time that you might do irreparable damage and have unintended consequences, including consequences for health," Fauci said

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« Reply #3763 on: May 23, 2020, 03:41:57 AM »
sham and incompetence from the git-go
very dumb people running the country and even dumber ones voting them in a defending them
ame people who are up in arms over a black kid being killed when the kill thousands per week each (black on black crime)
media should be ashamed, fined heavily, even arrested for inciting violence
if the rednecks get-off on th is in some way, the blacks will do their normal looting and killing in protest
meanwhile how many blacks will murder this weekend in chicago, balty, etc
maybe Prime will get killed or a family member, might change his mind the bleeding heart cuckold
embarrassment

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« Reply #3764 on: May 23, 2020, 04:20:19 AM »
sham and incompetence from the git-go
very dumb people running the country and even dumber ones voting them in a defending them
ame people who are up in arms over a black kid being killed when the kill thousands per week each (black on black crime)
media should be ashamed, fined heavily, even arrested for inciting violence
if the rednecks get-off on th is in some way, the blacks will do their normal looting and killing in protest
meanwhile how many blacks will murder this weekend in chicago, balty, etc
maybe Prime will get killed or a family member, might change his mind the bleeding heart cuckold
embarrassment

Not gonna happen. The last time Prime saw a black in person, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors was the number one album in the country.

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« Reply #3765 on: May 23, 2020, 04:26:27 AM »
Not gonna happen. The last time Prime saw a black in person, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors was the number one album in the country.
Good album.

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« Reply #3766 on: May 23, 2020, 04:31:56 AM »
Good album.

This was my favorite tune from it:



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« Reply #3767 on: May 23, 2020, 04:52:50 AM »
Rory still refuses to go anywhere.  :'( :'( :-[ :-[
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« Reply #3768 on: May 23, 2020, 04:55:48 AM »
Rory still refuses to go anywhere.  :'( :'( :-[ :-[
Gay people fear the Kung Flu but don't worry about HIV. ???

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« Reply #3769 on: May 23, 2020, 05:22:22 AM »
These are the statistics from New York City. There is an INVERSE relationship between between social interaction and Covid deaths. The most sociable demographics have been the least affected, unless of course you think that it’s the 75+ crowd hitting the bars and clubs and the 20-30s crowd that was staying home. Incredible that some people are stiill defending this sham:


Did you conclude social interaction and covid deaths were inversely related withouth factoring in Age?

Age is a known confounding factor for Covid deaths, so it should be taken into account.

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« Reply #3770 on: May 23, 2020, 06:50:04 AM »
Gay people fear the Kung Flu but don't worry about HIV. ???

Pretty sure SF1090 and Rory are not gay.  They're pansexual.   ???

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« Reply #3771 on: May 23, 2020, 07:56:20 AM »


Did you conclude social interaction and covid deaths were inversely related withouth factoring in Age?

Age is a known confounding factor for Covid deaths, so it should be taken into account.

That’s the whole point. Young people are the ones riding the trains and working in offices and going to bars, clubs, concerts and parks. Yet, were virtually unaffected.


At this point, you’re the only one left here who is still buying into the mainstream media’s bullshit.

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« Reply #3772 on: May 23, 2020, 08:27:42 AM »
Fat, ugly and stupid - the cure for covid19 !


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« Reply #3773 on: May 23, 2020, 09:11:20 AM »
That’s the whole point. Young people are the ones riding the trains and working in offices and going to bars, clubs, concerts and parks. Yet, were virtually unaffected.


You are not taking into account Age when dismissing Social Distancing effects.

Imagine studying the effects of nutrition on the Height of teenagers, and not taking into account the variable Age. Nutrition would basically have zero effect on Height because you'd have one big confounding variable not taken into account affecting all the data.

It's the same situation in your example.

At this point, you’re the only one left here who is still buying into the mainstream media’s bullshit.

Ha! Like if Getbig was the epitome of reasoning and logic. The fact that we have so many members calling Covid a hoax means nothing.

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« Reply #3774 on: May 23, 2020, 09:21:19 AM »
wooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhh

#scamdemic