Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?

[Thin Lizzy]

No, his point his "but individual responsability...".

New flash: we live in a society.

Yes, some demographics will take a bigger portion of the pie. Does that mean the whole system is broken?

If you think it is, you may as well call for the closing of public schools, since a substantial proportion of the students will drop out.

And while you are at it get rid of fire departments since you'll probably never use it. Why is some random idiot who caused a fire receiving a benefit I paid for?

 So if you’re going to give us the we live in a society bullshit. How come the people who abuse themselves don’t have any consideration for the other people who will be picking up the tab for their behavior? How come you don’t take them to task?


It makes me laugh when people call Bernie Sanders and his followers progressives. They’re the exact opposite. They want to prop up failing Government industries when we live in a time of disruption.

Yeah, let’s give teachers more fucking money when recent technological advancements have rendered most of the educational infrastructure redundant.

[Marvin Martian]

One hopes that there can be some degree of compassion for those who under the current healthcare systems have no good options.

I was recently prescribed eye drops (Restasis and Lotemax) that run $500 and $265 for a one month supply. If I had to pay full price, I'd definitely not fill them. Fortunately, I found a manufacturer's coupon for Lotemax which pay's all but $60 for three months. My part D insurance provider paid the better part of a 90 supply of Restasis after the doctor wrote a letter justifying my need for it.

Age related vision issues are common. They are not life threatening. People with low or modest incomes likely ignore them and may not even have had them diagnosed since vision insurance doesn't offer great coverage. Much the same is true for dental insurance. I am having a fractured tooth crowned this month. The cost to do this is almost $1,500. My dental insurance only covers preventative care, which this is not according to them. Last month, I had a small chip in one of my front teeth repaired. It ran me $275.

The last few years that my wife was alive but acutely ill, our out of pocket medical expenses ranged between $8,000 and $10,000 a year. This was with Regence MedAdvantage health insurance coverage. Out of pocket costs for non-network dialysis ran us $450 a week. We went with the out of network dialysis because it was located about a mile from our home. In network dialysis was a good half hour drive each way. This meant 4 trips because I wasn't going to hang out at the hospital for an average of 6 hours, three days a week while my wife was hooked up to the machine.

 

Right on man. That bitch would have to be insane to think you would waste your time keeping her company and comforting. Not while there are glory holes and cocks to suck!!

Sorry man - that just struck me. My uncle had dialysis and my pops spent the time with him. He didn’t have many years left and dad used that time to share with him. When I have a close family member - muchless my fckn WIFE in the hospital - you can’t drag me away. Pretty young (relatively) still so it hasn’t happened much - but I’ve cancelled a few headline speaking gigs unfortunately. I know my value and knew it wouldn’t hurt me - but even if it had I don’t care.

[el numero uno]

So if you’re going to give us the we live in a society bullshit. How come the people who abuse themselves don’t have any consideration for the other people who will be picking up the tab for their behavior? How come you don’t take them to task?


It makes me laugh when people call Bernie Sanders and his followers progressives. They’re the exact opposite. They want to prop up failing Government industries when we live in a time of disruption.

Yeah, let’s give teachers more fucking money when recent technological advancements have rendered most of the educational infrastructure redundant.

How is bullshit a well established fact? We're social animals, period.

People who you think abuse the system have it rough. In a capitalist regime (best political system by far as long as it's regulated) those who thrive are the ones with talent or capital and most people have none.

You want a society where people have nothing to lose? You can't have one.

You think poor people just need to try harder? Sorry, that's not gonna fly.

[Ropo]

Ropo, Saudi Arabia ranked 26th in 2019 for best health care in the world.

Would you prefer to have a surgery in Saudi Arabia over the US?

I don't afford US health care, so it would be Saudi Arabia, which is oil rich country, lot of new modern hospitals, good hygienic etc. Who would you trust better, this bunch,


or this bunch?  

[pellius]

Right on man. That bitch would have to be insane to think you would waste your time keeping her company and comforting. Not while there are glory holes and cocks to suck!!

Sorry man - that just struck me. My uncle had dialysis and my pops spent the time with him. He didn’t have many years left and dad used that time to share with him. When I have a close family member - muchless my fckn WIFE in the hospital - you can’t drag me away. Pretty young (relatively) still so it hasn’t happened much - but I’ve cancelled a few headline speaking gigs unfortunately. I know my value and knew it wouldn’t hurt me - but even if it had I don’t care.

Great post. That cock sucker doesn't want to drive a whole half hour for his wife. He obviously thought it was worth it to pay extra for out of network facilities so he doesn't lose an hour of his life. That's serious cock sucking time. But that was his choice and he complains about it. Typical leftist. That feeling of entitlement. The whole world has to conform to his convenience.

[Ropo]

Not sure where anyone would get the idea that the U.S. has the best healthcare system in the world. I've never seen anything that supports that. Maybe it is the best in the world for those who can afford one of the 'Cadillac plans'.

Not sure? This happen only because salesman say so. You have heard it from your childhood, just as your parents and their parents, but at some point it stop to be the truth. That point is very near to the point where they invent those "Cadillac plans".

In one week there is 105 cases of this virus in US, and 6 deaths. 11th place of this ranking, and it is going up. 105/6 from 330 million americans, is nothing, isn't it. But you have 30 million people without any kind of health insurance + all illegal emigrants, al those who are living on the streets, homeles people, trailer parks filled with simple rednecks and nignogs etc. You have lot of the low income- people, who are ready to get this virus, but who doesn't have any means to get treatment for it. It will be interesting to see where this is going in next few weeks  

[IroNat]

Not sure? This happen only because salesman say so. You have heard it from your childhood, just as your parents and their parents, but at some point it stop to be the truth. That point is very near to the point where they invent those "Cadillac plans".

In one week there is 105 cases of this virus in US, and 6 deaths. 11th place of this ranking, and it is going up. 105/6 from 330 million americans, is nothing, isn't it. But you have 30 million people without any kind of health insurance + all illegal emigrants, al those who are living on the streets, homeles people, trailer parks filled with simple rednecks and nignogs etc. You have lot of the low income- people, who are ready to get this virus, but who doesn't have any means to get treatment for it. It will be interesting to see where this is going in next few weeks 

The poor and street folk will probably do better because their immune systems are stronger.

Odd but likely.

[Thin Lizzy]

? You missed the point of his post.

He’s not willing to accept the point. To believe in liberal ideology you have to have a tremendous degree of cognitive dissonance. In San Francisco a once beautiful city was turned into a shit hole and the Liberals there can’t even entertain the possibility that their policies are largely to blame.

[mazrim]

That post Prime made about his wife was heartbreaking (from her perspective). Poor lady. Imagine the loneliness.

[oldgolds]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661985.msg9358196#msg9358196 -ProudVirgin69

So by the statistics, your "best of the world" health care is globally in 40th place, not number one. 40th from 195 country's, but you are in good company: you are just about at the same level as Chile, Bulgaria, Romania and Lebanon, so you really have a reason to be proud about it. You see, all of those other countries has that filthy and crappy universal health care..So if you live in a wooden hut in Chile, or hut made from camel dung in Lebanon, you get just as good health care you could buy US of A with Really Fking Expensive Price 

https://www.businessinsider.com/10-reasons-why-the-us-health-care-system-is-the-envy-of-the-world-2010-3

It's hard to measure overall success when evaluating healthcare...The US has large numbers of dysfunctional "third Worlders' who abuse their bodies and large numbers of dropouts who have given up on life. You can't force people to eat well, exercise etc.

[The Scott]

If our system of healthcare is so shitty, then no foreigners (especially muslimes) should be allowed in no matter how ill they are.  Fuck 'em all to Hades. 

[Ropo]

https://www.businessinsider.com/10-reasons-why-the-us-health-care-system-is-the-envy-of-the-world-2010-3

It's hard to measure overall success when evaluating healthcare...The US has large numbers of dysfunctional "third Worlders' who abuse their bodies and large numbers of dropouts who have given up on life. You can't force people to eat well, exercise etc.

And then you present the link about the medical services, which only few can afford, as a points which rest of the world is envy? Services which you get only if you have top of the line health insurance, or endless amount of money. And you compare that to the nations, which has universal health care, knowing that in the US you get the statistics only from those, who get treatment by health care organisations. All other countries include everybody in their statistics, no difference if you are rich or poor. So if you make a statistics just from the most wealthy people who has used health care in European countries, will that statistic tell the truth? If we look at the fields of the health care where income has less impact, like infant mortality rate, US is competing with third world countries.

At the moment there is 125 cases of this corona-virus in US, 9 deaths and 8 has recovered from it. Last monday there were 60 cases, so if that amount doubles every three days, and amount of deaths tripled, this will be interesting..

[Primemuscle]

So if you’re going to give us the we live in a society bullshit. How come the people who abuse themselves don’t have any consideration for the other people who will be picking up the tab for their behavior? How come you don’t take them to task?


It makes me laugh when people call Bernie Sanders and his followers progressives. They’re the exact opposite. They want to prop up failing Government industries when we live in a time of disruption.

Yeah, let’s give teachers more fucking money when recent technological advancements have rendered most of the educational infrastructure redundant.

The bigger question is why do all people behave as they do? The easy answer is that it is human nature. The correct answer is that people behave in many different ways for many different reasons. There is no clear cut answer to this.

[IroNat]

It's hard to compare the U.S. to other countries.  Few are as diverse and have such wide swings in wealth.

Top level medical care in the U.S. is second to none which is why rich people often come here for procedures.

If you're at the bottom with no health insurance or care then any free program is a step up.  Anything is better than nothing, even a mediocre government run plan.

It's usually those caught in the middle somewhere, sometimes have become unemployed and lost their health insurance and then had a medical problem, who get in trouble.

[Sissysquats]

All the buzz about healthcare primarily focuses on insurance costs. That doesn’t address the real cost of healthcare. The costs the medical establishment charge for care. Deal with that elephant and you can reduce costs. Pharmaceuticals, medical devices, delivery costs . Question is how to reduce it AND not stymie development of new treatments

[oldgolds]

And then you present the link about the medical services, which only few can afford, as a points which rest of the world is envy? Services which you get only if you have top of the line health insurance, or endless amount of money. And you compare that to the nations, which has universal health care, knowing that in the US you get the statistics only from those, who get treatment by health care organisations. All other countries include everybody in their statistics, no difference if you are rich or poor. So if you make a statistics just from the most wealthy people who has used health care in European countries, will that statistic tell the truth? If we look at the fields of the health care where income has less impact, like infant mortality rate, US is competing with third world countries.

At the moment there is 125 cases of this corona-virus in US, 9 deaths and 8 has recovered from it. Last monday there were 60 cases, so if that amount doubles every three days, and amount of deaths tripled, this will be interesting..

You obviously are not American...Let me educate you. Only 8.5 of Americans have no health insurance and they get free, top quality care at any emergency room in the country. Most Americans have employee funded insurance and are happy with it and coronavirus cases at this point mean nothing.

[Ropo]

You obviously are not American...Let me educate you. Only 8.5 of Americans have no health insurance and they get free, top quality care at any emergency room in the country. Most Americans have employee funded insurance and are happy with it and coronavirus cases at this point mean nothing.

Of course they do, it is just as easy than spreading bullshit in the internet. And then back to the reality:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-live-in-America-without-health-insurance

8.5% of Americans equals ~30 million people. It is just plain stupidity to think that your emergency rooms could handle that bunch, if they get this silly virus. By the way, in that number we have to add those +10 million illegal immigrants which you have there running around, so in fact there will be more than 40 million people without proper health care..

[Primemuscle]

You obviously are not American...Let me educate you. Only 8.5 of Americans have no health insurance and they get free, top quality care at any emergency room in the country. Most Americans have employee funded insurance and are happy with it and coronavirus cases at this point mean nothing.

"In 2018, 8.5 percent of people, or 27.5 million, did not have health insurance at any point during the year. The uninsured rate and number of uninsured increased from 2017 (7.9 percent or 25.6 million)."

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p60-264.html

Your stats for 2018 are right on. Not sure how much this has changed in the last year or so. Still, 25.6 million people with no health insurance are a lot. There are 5,564 registered hospitals in the U.S., according to the American Hospital Association. This statistic includes federal hospitals, long-term care hospitals, psychiatric hospitals, institutions for the mentally disabled and alcohol and other chemical dependency rehabilitation hospitals, many of which have emergency facilities. 1 in 5 adults visit the ER each year. If you've ever gone to emergency at a major hospital you know that there is often a very long wait to see a doctor or medical assistant.

Emergency room care is not free. Those who can afford to pay either through medical insurance plus a hefty co-pay or out of pocket, do pay. What's more, you can go to an Urgent Care Center without insurance and be treated, but if you can't afford to pay, they could turn you away. Urgent Care Centers are not bound by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act and most require some form of payment at the time of service.

[Dave D]

I don't afford US health care, so it would be Saudi Arabia, which is oil rich country, lot of new modern hospitals, good hygienic etc. Who would you trust better, this bunch,


or this bunch?  

LOL

You win.

You racist bro?

What country are the murses from?

[Dave D]

Not sure? This happen only because salesman say so. You have heard it from your childhood, just as your parents and their parents, but at some point it stop to be the truth. That point is very near to the point where they invent those "Cadillac plans".

In one week there is 105 cases of this virus in US, and 6 deaths. 11th place of this ranking, and it is going up. 105/6 from 330 million americans, is nothing, isn't it. But you have 30 million people without any kind of health insurance + all illegal emigrants, al those who are living on the streets, homeles people, trailer parks filled with simple rednecks and nignogs etc. You have lot of the low income- people, who are ready to get this virus, but who doesn't have any means to get treatment for it. It will be interesting to see where this is going in next few weeks  

Illegal immigrants get health care when the come to the states. Where did you hear they dont?

The poor also get health care, doctors offices aren't refusing people? 

[Primemuscle]

Illegal immigrants get health care when the come to the states. Where did you hear they dont?

The poor also get health care, doctors offices aren't refusing people? 

A doctor may refuse to see a patient for any reason or for no cited reason at all. Many doctors do not take Medicare patients because the paperwork is too extensive.

Illegal immigrants get healthcare in the same way everyone else does, either through health insurance or out of pocket. Those who cannot afford to pay, have the option of showing up and waiting at a hospital ER. Unless they have a serious medical condition, they are quickly dismissed with an Aspirin, etc.

[oldgolds]

Of course they do, it is just as easy than spreading bullshit in the internet. And then back to the reality:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-live-in-America-without-health-insurance

8.5% of Americans equals ~30 million people. It is just plain stupidity to think that your emergency rooms could handle that bunch, if they get this silly virus. By the way, in that number we have to add those +10 million illegal immigrants which you have there running around, so in fact there will be more than 40 million people without proper health care..

Please tell me what third World country you are from? I can tell you are not American.   

[Dave D]

A doctor may refuse to see a patient for any reason or for no cited reason at all. Many doctors do not take Medicare patients because the paperwork is too extensive.

Illegal immigrants get healthcare in the same way everyone else does, either through health insurance or out of pocket. Those who cannot afford to pay, have the option of showing up and waiting at a hospital ER. Unless they have a serious medical condition, they are quickly dismissed with an Aspirin, etc.

Ok fine. Many doctors refuse new patients regardless of insurance coverage.

What the general topic was when someone vists a hospital/er/or ready med. Or if an ambulance is called.

In these situations people ARE NOT REFUSES CARE.

Where are illegal immigrants getting insurance from? What about a Canadian vistor who has an emergency? Is their universal healthcare used in America? What about the paperwork?

You're wrong but thanks for commenting.

[che]

Ropo, Saudi Arabia ranked 26th in 2019 for best health care in the world.

Would you prefer to have a surgery in Saudi Arabia over the US?

Which of these two surgeons would you prefer ?

[Dave D]

Which of these two surgeons would you prefer ?

I prefer they work as a team. Two heads are better than one.