Why do so many americans see universal healthcare as a radical idea?

[el numero uno]

Seriously, every first world country has it.

Just take a look at this map showing countries with Universal Healthcare.




Healthy population -> productive population.

My gf got a laparoscopy in a month after being diagnosed with calculi. We paid zero. In private clinics the cost was between $1500-2000.

Universal healthcare brings down the prices of private clinics (less demand -> lower prices).

Don't know about you, but I'd vote for Sanders if I had the chance. He may be a commie wannabe, but his proposals are taken for granted in most countries. FEEL THE BERN!!!

[robcguns]

Universal health care is crap.Simple as that.If I have an issue I get in to the dr within a few days.I have family in Canada and to see a specialist takes months.Not that I go to the dr but my wife and kids do.BERNIE,Fucking sucks and should die a slow painful death.

As far as I’m concerned the USA is the only first world country.

[Pray_4_War]

First of all, what Bernie wants to do will cost an atomic shit-ton of money.  Money that just isn't there, unless you want to get taxed up the ass.  The math just doesn't work, and he knows that.  Pretty much everyone should know that.

Also, when it comes to the quality of medical care, the price is only one aspect of it.  Socialized medicine is great as long as there is nothing seriously wrong with you.  When you are seriously ill, wait times become very important.   Life and death important.

[Dave D]

Its a tax issue. As presented to citizens we would pay more out of pocket based on taxation. The government has clearly demonstrated they dont manage tax funds well. Why would they be trusted with more?

We still use the imperial system, we have had an easier time accepting ideas from the LGQT but cant switch to the metric system.

Paying for universal healthcare isnt how we think.

[Pray_4_War]

The government has clearly demonstrated they dont manage tax funds well. Why would they be trusted with more?

Exactly.  Everything the government runs is inefficient and rife with fraud and and corruption.  Politicians are just looting the country for everything it's worth right now.  Don't trust them. 

We need to keep more of our own money.  We don't need to give the government more of our money so they can piss it away.

Raising our taxes through the roof and then "giving" us "free" shit is a con.  Nothing is free.

[deadz]

Universal health care is crap.Simple as that.If I have an issue I get in to the dr within a few days.I have family in Canada and to see a specialist takes months.Not that I go to the dr but my wife and kids do.BERNIE,Fucking sucks and should die a slow painful death.

As far as I’m concerned the USA is the only first world country.

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[honest]

Universal healthcare has bankrupted nearly every country in the western world and is one of the biggest reasons they don't have the defence budgets the USA historically has had. IF the US does similar it will severely effect the amount of money they can put into defence, a dangerous predicament with both China and Russia rising.

[AbrahamG]

Seriously, every first world country has it.

Just take a look at this map showing countries with Universal Healthcare.




Healthy population -> productive population.

My gf got a laparoscopy in a month after being diagnosed with calculi. We paid zero. In private clinics the cost was between $1500-2000.

Universal healthcare brings down the prices of private clinics (less demand -> lower prices).

Don't know about you, but I'd vote for Sanders if I had the chance. He may be a commie wannabe, but his proposals are taken for granted in most countries. FEEL THE BERN!!!

Simply put, "democratic socialism" is not communism.  Bernie needs to do a better job of explaining the difference.  I'd rather have government healthcare that CEO for profit healthcare.  Also, a 2nd cousin of mine lives in Toronto.  He tore his biceps about 5 years ago.  Think it was either a Monday or Tuesday.  He had it reattached a week from that Friday.  So about 10 days for a very NON life threatening procedure.  Canada may not be perfect, but why cant we (the US) take Canada's blue print and perfect it? 

[pellius]

Seriously, every first world country has it.

Just take a look at this map showing countries with Universal Healthcare.




Healthy population -> productive population.

My gf got a laparoscopy in a month after being diagnosed with calculi. We paid zero. In private clinics the cost was between $1500-2000.

Universal healthcare brings down the prices of private clinics (less demand -> lower prices).

Don't know about you, but I'd vote for Sanders if I had the chance. He may be a commie wannabe, but his proposals are taken for granted in most countries. FEEL THE BERN!!!

Because who is going to pay for it? And service will have to rationed which means long waiting list.

Here is a principle that has never been violated. When the government takes control, whether it's education, housing, healthcare; they never make it better, cheaper, and more efficient. There are always an inherent waste in government spending. They don't have to show a profit like a private business. There is no accountability. Every time they overspend, which is every time, they just take more money from the taxpayers.

[deadz]

Socialism is a step above Communism. If that old dying fuck Bernie is so concerned about impoverished individuals why doesn’t he donate all his money to those in need. Trump 2020. Dem lineup is useless.

[mazrim]

We are still the number one "first world" country in the world. Why would we want to lower ourselves and emulate countries that are still not at our level yet have been around much longer than we have? That doesn't make sense. We need less restrictions, not more.

The more socialism is introduced, the more we lessen the gap.

[El Diablo Blanco]

It’s because insurance companies run this scheme.

[Mothballs]

Contrary to popular belief the US does have universal health care. If you’re broke and sick or injured, you go to the ER where they treat you regardless of your ability to pay. And the hospital knows that 80% of the people who come there can’t afford to pay so they charge insurance companies 4-5x the reasonable rate knowing they’ll get stiffed by most people.

Don’t believe me? Go down to any ER or ask anyone who works as an EMT, hospital biller, ER doctor or nurse about who comprises the vast majority of people seeking emergency treatment.

[mazrim]

Contrary to popular belief the US does have universal health care. If you’re broke and sick or injured, you go to the ER where they treat you regardless of your ability to pay. And the hospital knows that 80% of the people who come there can’t afford to pay so they charge insurance companies 4-5x the reasonable rate knowing they’ll get stiffed by most people.

Don’t believe me? Go down to any ER or ask anyone who works as an EMT, hospital biller, ER doctor or nurse about who comprises the vast majority of people seeking emergency treatment.

True. When I did not have insurance, it was much, much cheaper then when they can now bill the insurance company.

[Primemuscle]

Contrary to popular belief the US does have universal health care. If you’re broke and sick or injured, you go to the ER where they treat you regardless of your ability to pay. And the hospital knows that 80% of the people who come there can’t afford to pay so they charge insurance companies 4-5x the reasonable rate knowing they’ll get stiffed by most people.

Don’t believe me? Go down to any ER or ask anyone who works as an EMT, hospital biller, ER doctor or nurse about who comprises the vast majority of people seeking emergency treatment.

This is a truth people against some manner of universal healthcare don't want to know. What is so humorous is the those of us with healthcare insurance are already paying for those without and have for decades. Many folks with their heads up their asses don't want to think about this. I don't know about England or Canada, but Doctors in Germany don't get paid exorbitant fees like they do in the U.S. and prescription drugs are incredibly less expensive as compared to here. 

[OneMoreRep]

Medicaid and Medicare have been around for a long time. There continues to be many throughout time in the US (the very poor and the retired) who have benefited from free universal Healthcare and will continue to do so.

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[el numero uno]

Medicaid and Medicare have been around for a long time. There continues to be many throughout time in the US (the very poor and the retired) who have benefited from free universal Healthcare and will continue to do so.

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Thank you.

Too much contradictory information on the internet. Most websites claim that if you don't have insurance you'll die. Very few people mention the very poor will get treated for free.

[Rusty Trombone]

Contrary to popular belief the US does have universal health care. If you’re broke and sick or injured, you go to the ER where they treat you regardless of your ability to pay. And the hospital knows that 80% of the people who come there can’t afford to pay so they charge insurance companies 4-5x the reasonable rate knowing they’ll get stiffed by most people.

Don’t believe me? Go down to any ER or ask anyone who works as an EMT, hospital biller, ER doctor or nurse about who comprises the vast majority of people seeking emergency treatment.

So what happens afterwards?

Are they sued for bills or just let off?

[Purge_WTF]

 If I had a guarantee that every one of my fellow Americans was drinking lots of water, exercising several times a week and washing their hands after they pinch a loaf, then maybe. As such, I don't feel like paying for the lung operation of someone who smoked for years on end, or for the liver treatment of an alcoholic.

[Pray_4_War]

I love it when people pretend that Democratic Socialism is somehow different than regular Socialism.

[Dave D]

Why is it when wealthy (non American) people need an important surgery or operation they often come to the US?

Why do foreigners want to become American citizens so they can practice medicine in the US?

[Coach is Back!]

Simply put, "democratic socialism" is not communism.  Bernie needs to do a better job of explaining the difference.  I'd rather have government healthcare that CEO for profit healthcare.  Also, a 2nd cousin of mine lives in Toronto.  He tore his biceps about 5 years ago.  Think it was either a Monday or Tuesday.  He had it reattached a week from that Friday.  So about 10 days for a very NON life threatening procedure.  Canada may not be perfect, but why cant we (the US) take Canada's blue print and perfect it? 

Bernie can’t competently explain it himself. In truth there is no difference between “democratic socialism” or socialism. I’m not being facetious when I say that. When asked during interviews how this will be paid, he skates and gets defensive. He’s a dyed in the wool communist

 “The goal of socialism is communism” -
Vladimir Lenin

[AbrahamG]

Bernie can’t competently explain it himself. In truth there is no difference between “democratic socialism” or socialism. I’m not being facetious when I say that. When asked during interviews how this will be paid, he skates and gets defensive. He’s a dyed in the wool communist

 “The goal of socialism is communism” -
Vladimir Lenin

Health care, education and defense (military & police) should not be for profit aka they should be socialized.
We should STOP socializing big pharma and gas companies. 

That is Bernie right there.

[ProudVirgin69]

We are still the number one "first world" country in the world. Why would we want to lower ourselves and emulate countries that are still not at our level yet have been around much longer than we have? That doesn't make sense. We need less restrictions, not more.

The more socialism is introduced, the more we lessen the gap.

Well, the problem is that our healthcare is far from number one--it's around #40 when ranked globally.  Not only that, but we pay far more for our healthcare than any other country.  Not to mention the millions and millions of Americans that are uninsured or underinsured.

Maybe we SHOULD start emulating the other countries that manage to deliver superior care for less money

[ProudVirgin69]

So what happens afterwards?

Are they sued for bills or just let off?

The bills go into collection for pennies on the dollar, and the hospital charges everybody else more to make up for the loss.  Part of the reason healthcare costs are so high is because the insured subsidize the uninsured.  With universal healthcare, these types of situations would not occur