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1500 deaths in NY
« on: March 31, 2020, 09:58:05 AM »
Still just flu?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-31/n-y-virus-deaths-exceed-1-500-with-apex-still-weeks-away

it wont be....its a flu virus, nothing more.....

I still have no idea why so many people buy into this fear mongering that keeps happening every few years, remember when HIV was going to wipe out the entire planet?

There's some hysterical overreaction in this thread, maybe some WHO experts are getbiggers?

Whatever.

Just a bunch of bullshit, like swine flu, avian flu, y2k, acid rain and host of other nonsense that people got worked up about for no reason.   Put the phone down and relax.

Exactly, every couple years we get one of these pandemic emergencies that blow over in a month or two.  This one is no different.

Do not get fooled, this so called "Coronavirus" is nothing more than a media's creation.

It's all propaganda, they're brainwashing people while creating mass hysteria. It's nothing more than a flu, and has been around well before this nonsense started.

I'm from Italy by the way, some people are at least waking up.

You've been a member of this site for 15 years and you are really going to allow your reputation to die on this silly little hill?

People don't forget, Army Of One.

You are going to be an expert soon buddy. Thanks for all of your hard work and information gathering!

I'm extremely worried and in panic mode as I post this.



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Im pretty insensitive myself but I have never known anyone so happy about people dying....

And yes, its still behind flu deaths by a massive margin...

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2020, 10:06:15 AM »
CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through March 21, 2020, there have been:24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

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Im pretty insensitive myself but I have never known anyone so happy about people dying....

And yes, its still behind flu deaths by a massive margin...

Not happy at all.Certainly not happy about trying to help people prepare, and have ill informed and ignorant people try to stop me helping save lives to be contrarian for internet points.

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Im pretty insensitive myself but I have never known anyone so happy about people dying....

And yes, its still behind flu deaths by a massive margin...


This is very odd behavior by Army.

This shows that he didn’t care about warning people, for the sake of saving lives, only that he was the first to warn everyone and that he was right.

Army if you survive this pandemic we are sending you to therapy.

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2020, 10:15:21 AM »
"I have the Coronavirus"


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This is very odd behavior by Army.

This shows that he didn’t care about warning people, for the sake of saving lives, only that he was the first to warn everyone and that he was right.

Army if you survive this pandemic we are sending you to therapy.

Almost seems like the behavior of Gib.   :-\


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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2020, 10:22:30 AM »
1,500? 1,500??  That's a rounding error. That's shit.

Get back to us when you can officially atribute 100,000 deaths to Covid19.

And brother, stay cool.
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This is very odd behavior by Army.

This shows that he didn’t care about warning people, for the sake of saving lives, only that he was the first to warn everyone and that he was right.

Army if you survive this pandemic we are sending you to therapy.

I get pissed off reading things like this

My daughter found out today that her physical therapist tested positive for the novel coronavirus. She saw her primary care doctor today and took the COVID-19 test. Results take five days. She's allergic to almost all antibiotics. So if she has it, she's in a pickle. Presently, she's quarantined in the bedroom at least until the test results come through and longer if she has the virus. Fortunately, she is a relatively healthy person.

Sorry, I can't put a humorous spin on this. I'm just going try and keep positive thoughts for her well being and the rest of us who've already had contact with her.  

Someone who scoffed at me, outright ignored everything I said and "nothing was going to change his daily routine".

When he could have listened, researched, warned his daughter, she could have ended her therapy and she wouldn't be quarantined, and prime wouldn't be worrying he has it.

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2020, 10:27:20 AM »
Any case you make from now on is tainted with your desire to play the "I told you so role"
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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2020, 10:41:45 AM »
Just saw Monday's Tucker Carlson.

Reports of new cases are down two days in a row.

Washington State already feels they've turned the corner.

New York is the big one, but even that is being overblown.

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2020, 11:05:32 AM »
CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through March 21, 2020, there have been:24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2020, 11:15:37 AM »
CDC estimates that, from October 1, 2019, through March 21, 2020, there have been:24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

So what is estimate for 1, 2019, through March 21, 2021 flu + covid 19? So you don't know, but you surely know that is less than seasonal flu? Why this is so hard to understand, it isn't one or another, it is flu + covid 19. These are both killing people right now, they doesn't undo each other effectiveness at any way. You just don't see effects of seasonal flu, because there is far larger problems to be solved. Exactly how common it is to put hospitals ships to use because of seasonal flu? Build hospitals in sport halls and expo centers? I bet it doesn't happen every year, not even every decade. 1 of March there were 74 covid 19 cases in the US, and no deaths. Today there is 174 467 cases and 3416 deaths, all in one month. How about next two weeks from today? +1 million cases and + 30 000 deaths?

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2020, 11:22:43 AM »
So what is estimate for 1, 2019, through March 21, 2021 flu + covid 19? So you don't know, but you surely know that is less than seasonal flu? Why this is so hard to understand, it isn't one or another, it is flu + covid 19. These are both killing people right now, they doesn't undo each other effectiveness at any way. You just don't see effects of seasonal flu, because there is far larger problems to be solved. Exactly how common it is to put hospitals ships to use because of seasonal flu? Build hospitals in sport halls and expo centers? I bet it doesn't happen every year, not even every decade. 1 of March there were 74 covid 19 cases in the US, and no deaths. Today there is 174 467 cases and 3416 deaths, all in one month. How about next two weeks from today? +1 million cases and + 30 000 deaths?

Never said they were the same.

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2020, 11:25:10 AM »
ordering ventilators from china?  hmmm I guess china doesnt need them for their people who have it ? And getting something from the country that STARTED this virus is kinda like buying something from someone who had sold tainted beef. Not a good choice. And please dont start saying trump isnt doing enough for new york. Trump is doing all he can but he has 50 states to take care of and he cant only do for 1 state. besides the states need to do for themselves too. And obama left the country with nothing in reserve because he wanted this kind of stuff to happen so his filthy muzzies could take over. But the donald came in to thwart the dems plans ! long live the donald!!

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2020, 11:40:33 AM »
So what is estimate for 1, 2019, through March 21, 2021 flu + covid 19? So you don't know, but you surely know that is less than seasonal flu? Why this is so hard to understand, it isn't one or another, it is flu + covid 19. These are both killing people right now, they doesn't undo each other effectiveness at any way. You just don't see effects of seasonal flu, because there is far larger problems to be solved. Exactly how common it is to put hospitals ships to use because of seasonal flu? Build hospitals in sport halls and expo centers? I bet it doesn't happen every year, not even every decade. 1 of March there were 74 covid 19 cases in the US, and no deaths. Today there is 174 467 cases and 3416 deaths, all in one month. How about next two weeks from today? +1 million cases and + 30 000 deaths?

care to have a stab at explaining this
https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/30/covid19-yet-to-impact-europes-overall-mortality/?fbclid=IwAR245kd9xUt-Z27iIoFki3QEhqJMv08Z2NLt_6gyjtfOr8YmhOB7PWjwV04&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=f08f88adeefe48e8d24cf13fb8b5e3d60e6eff37-1585679988-0-AdxJeWHqCx6B2nPps28V9G39UiE9iwpYOQrN9Dxto8ea2PvFcK6HhEv4ZQ61N8Nss24Bh9memc6kLnzDpoF6gLtb-f3Ig_CivnmKsu_fC_cg-NczdvIAL29nLomQ8_RqABN4hHrh7wPl210ytgmJwYsceupT5mjjkXMTj-Bir3e3VV1DexE9vXkXJRjmWhUxXRU_P4aabVF6w3QnQyzivo0uOU0kwLFvbZt0nMrE6DR7aiBcmi4qOd_vtM7QSXZXxqAYobJc1c2sJqXDms75QEL_ND-LrQc_jQyZZKp202a4ERWtXQWQABpPd3IlmMosnKzrM80C1ySMxpQ20q9N3voCB3bGiOJqoUnqi5XKgfkcG3B2dIhA9mzchI-3PPeelLtFPWwTJxy7qBtwwt3eDX5BlsOiJEGYECMyVsaLhfKRQUyd_ds-_uyYmt9iQR_itg
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Covid19 yet to impact Europe’s overall mortality
Year-to-date statistics show excess mortality lower than previous years

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2020, 11:51:29 AM »
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Do you know what is the difference between estimate and counting dead bodies? Few weeks back Trump estimate that this is just another flu, nothing more, and what did happen then? By the history of this virus, I estimate that it will get worse at least 4 weeks more. After that it could get easier, but that is 21 days. Each and every day you could add 25-35% more to the current figures, and sum will be quite large at the last day. About year from now you could have accurate statistics, if there is anyone left who can write them.. ;D

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2020, 11:58:28 AM »
Do you know what is the difference between estimate and counting dead bodies? Few weeks back Trump estimate that this is just another flu, nothing more, and what did happen then? By the history of this virus, I estimate that it will get worse at least 4 weeks more. After that it could get easier, but that is 21 days. Each and every day you could add 25-35% more to the current figures, and sum will be quite large at the last day. About year from now you could have accurate statistics, if there is anyone left who can write them.. ;D

Its not going to get worse, more people will die, but thats what happens all the time

Whats happening now is every death is now being attributed to Covid19.
Its all in the wording death "from" Covid19 is not the same as death "with" Covid19

If everyone that dies gets tested its pretty guaranteed that they will have the virus due to being in hospital, hell I suspect almost everyone will have the virus by now, its just it doesnt show on most people

They want to "ramp up" testing to try and pretend its worse than it is...

How else can you explain the overall death stats are the same if not lower than previous years?

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2020, 12:19:33 PM »
I'll post this in here from on of the other threads.

 
For anyone who cares to read, these are all great articles/graphs that go against the media/easily led hysteria:

First link is an example (again) of the media simply faking what is going on (using exact Italian footage for and acting like it is in New York). Why some of you (who normally do not trust the media) suddenly do is beyond me. They are doing nothing differently then before:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/cbs-news-caught-using-footage-from-an-italian-hospital-to-describe-conditions-in-new-york-city-video/?fbclid=IwAR3AXvABCfqzKAmQdpwO9doxCVPQmYuuPvzH2V2sX4Yw_azKGme2CJNYK2M

Second link is an interactive graph from CDC's own website that shows there is nothing abnormal about the amount of deaths this time of year, but, strangely enough, influenza and pneumonia deaths are down this year.....hmmm...play with the graph and you will see it is true. They are substituting one for the other. California is actually DOWN 2000 deaths a day. "So what does this interactive map reveal? For one, it reveals that there are not more dead bodies, so please discredit any media organization that is telling you that there are overwhelming deaths.
This map also reveals that the biggest question that any respectable journalist should be asking is— why did everyone suddenly stop dying from pneumonia and the flu? If the coronavirus rate is really increasing “exponentially” as they’ve been telling us— shouldn’t death rate be higher by now? Why is is it getting lower?
Is it possible that people with the flu and pneumonia are now having their deaths recorded as “coronavirus”. My instincts tells me that Covid-19 isn’t nearly as deadly as they say. My instincts also tell me that it’s been here in America since before January.
My instincts tell me that if it truly was as deadly as they say— there would be mass graveyards built in Bangladesh and India right now where millions of refugees are now walking alongside the road because the railroad system was shut down."


https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html?fbclid=IwAR3pNzqDpu7G9jFHd2OPOT-MpIOYPih2Cnlx_ThZjvBQsAxTHJmRoxpX9gg

Next link:
"Foremost, in NYC, Approximately 419 people die every single day, without coronavirus. This is about 153,000 people per a year, or one person every 9 minutes. The suggestion that an extra 5 deaths a day this year has caused a crisis is foolish." The issue with New York's hospitals has been one for awhile now by their own making.

https://citylimits.org/2017/01/04/hospital-closures-and-medicaid-shifts-took-toll-on-nycs-health/?fbclid=IwAR0hVTIWn86a5HknCWoSCgeDydQO5K17w1bCv7vrv_chhqa6V7BfYfjPyDY

Next link. The deaths are not being counted correctly in the least and still they are far from impressive/worthy of the hysteria.
"It should be noted that there is no international standard method for attributing or recording causes of death. Also, normally, most respiratory deaths never have a specific infective cause recorded, whereas at the moment we can expect all positive COVID-19 results associated with a death to be recorded. Again, this is not splitting hairs. Imagine a population where more and more of us have already had COVID-19, and where every ill and dying patient is tested for the virus. The deaths apparently due to COVID-19, the COVID trajectory, will approach the overall death rate. It would appear that all deaths were caused by COVID-19 — would this be true? No. The severity of the epidemic would be indicated by how many extra deaths (above normal) there were overall."

https://spectator.us/understand-report-figures-covid-deaths/?fbclid=IwAR0bsZYFCFLuEcmNjk4oIW71zACyokQ9b6oQE5s9XZp-bDxJ3VQn7_xPs5w


Next link will be general information type.
"The moral debate is not lives vs money. It is lives vs lives. It will take months, perhaps years, if ever, before we can assess the wider implications of what we are doing. The damage to children’s education, the excess suicides, the increase in mental health problems, the taking away of resources from other health problems that we were dealing with effectively. Those who need medical help now but won’t seek it, or might not be offered it. And what about the effects on food production and global commerce, that will have unquantifiable consequences for people of all ages, perhaps especially in developing economies?"

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think?fbclid=IwAR0BwYF48ozbhUHIkHEd_mkW64YXonJxOg-_BW2wTp2nYFi7qCs2zjxWUTU


Good synopsis article that brings together a lot of the above and relates it to our freedoms/rights.

"Now, if you want a scientist who does not support Government policy, the most impressive of these is Prof Sucharit Bhakdi. If you desire experts, he is one.

He is an infectious medicine specialist, one of the most highly cited medical research scientists in Germany. He was head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, one of Germany’s most distinguished seats of learning.

In a recent interview he had many uncomplimentary things to say about the shutdown policy being pursued by so many countries (there is a link on my blog to the interview, and a transcription).

But perhaps the most powerful was his reply to the suggestion that the closedown of society would save lives. He argued the contrary, saying this policy was ‘grotesque, absurd and very dangerous’.

He warned: ‘Our elderly citizens have every right to make efforts not to belong to the 2,200 [in Germany] who daily embark on their last journey. Social contacts and social events, theatre and music, travel and holiday recreation, sports and hobbies all help to prolong their stay on Earth. The life expectancy of millions is being shortened.’

He also gave this warning: ‘The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people.

‘The consequences for medical care are profound. Already services to patients who are in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8163587/PETER-HITCHENS-Great-Panic-foolish-freedom-broken-economy-crippled.html?ito=facebook_share_article-masthead&fbclid=IwAR0FOiQ6dxb_tK9Fm0HjILGjgh-ugRd4yCHDLqD4n2Iyhbj7u8umcN_twZM

More and more are seeing the truth, but not enough to fight back or stop what is happening and some of us at this point have no idea what to do as we haven't been in this position. 7/10 in my state believe the government mandates are necessary.


Next link is more doctors, etc. criticizing what is going on based on the actual numbers.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/10-more-experts-criticising-the-coronavirus-panic/?fbclid=IwAR0f41MAcouzMVu5SFhZ7vR_VlZ0OcC6gmwJcX1mViGVhLkYsq9hT6qgnq8&__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=58950f150d84400dd150bff82e697c35cbcc2d8e-1585649776-0-AXmOJsykBV4cULq1zpFdbO41tmIu_Lhdl8CA2z6NUwqpjG7hPI0JAG-qtu2AewUQGcfKclWgjGvqHC_QY0GQIBTvnGh8k-NheBBF4pc6mlSBm7bOEvFMMSVXkwos15jULhNCHBc01aftzwJSdbf3Nq3JB-Ly_OAOgRTGsy3FiqHIYv0M1AE5UUDaERrphSD_mLsr_HUbPFZkyi1RLOwF-Qv_ye5F6WjlLXL4KeCJ8tP4NHif4_Upe5nHwZY8p7Brlaar-UZfNZi8-GW8W0O7KkOToiXz2QY9zF-YhzNqeXr-c5ffPHIH7sX33ehqWRVi-VtVEYxF4DXOsiMvnJSgoustK-jlY8ORVPM_JCSIPkJv_7hBRWTAhIkPlcdGMGNYBP8AyDDnutRBisDcM2I4r8TuL6D0H3cw4V5MAi0P_S6hwezFeZ3Kp8UYrs2EHGdi0Q

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2020, 12:23:50 PM »
Yes Army was planning on doing this back in Feb.

You can ignore the CDC and the white house if you want.Ill be sure to quote all your posts in a few weeks.Being contrarian in this scenario is bizarre to me,I get the trolling about everything else on Getbig, but this has a very real chance of fucking up your life like never before, at worst you prepare and waste 100 dollars, or you prepare and save your life.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=661765.msg9355840#msg9355840

The deaths count is not an issue (although it could have been). What is an issue is how all this is being politicized, and how people who are being put on the front line trying to make a positive difference are being treated as disposable.

I also feel particularly bad for our American friends as they basically live in a society where healthcare is dependent on your ability to work. Basically if you're broken they'll fix you up so they can send you back to work. Not working, then FU. Also those who have mentioned the stimulus package were correct. It's may well be the most corrupt thing we'll witness in our lifetimes.

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Re: 1500 deaths in NY
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2020, 12:49:55 PM »
Do you know what is the difference between estimate and counting dead bodies? Few weeks back Trump estimate that this is just another flu, nothing more, and what did happen then? By the history of this virus, I estimate that it will get worse at least 4 weeks more. After that it could get easier, but that is 21 days. Each and every day you could add 25-35% more to the current figures, and sum will be quite large at the last day. About year from now you could have accurate statistics, if there is anyone left who can write them.. ;D

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