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Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« on: April 04, 2020, 04:54:33 PM »

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2020, 04:59:52 PM »
I would suggest you go to a reputable jiu jitsu school and ask to roll with some guys. It's a humbling experience. They love guys that come to their dojo and challenge them. Whoever wrote that diatribe is a simpleton.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2020, 05:39:44 PM »
I would suggest you go to a reputable jiu jitsu school and ask to roll with some guys. It's a humbling experience. They love guys that come to their dojo and challenge them. Whoever wrote that diatribe is a simpleton.
I don't "roll" with "guys". If it's fighting/sparring we're talking about, I am an adherent of the striking arts and I would drop one of those "guys" with a reverse roundhouse kick to the jaw as he attempts his failed takedown.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2020, 05:47:36 PM »
I don't "roll" with "guys". If it's fighting/sparring we're talking about, I am an adherent of the striking arts and I would drop one of those "guys" with a reverse roundhouse kick to the jaw as he attempts his failed takedown.

Do you have any grappling experience or any ground game for that matter?


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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2020, 05:48:26 PM »
I would suggest you go to a reputable jiu jitsu school and ask to roll with some guys. It's a humbling experience. They love guys that come to their dojo and challenge them. Whoever wrote that diatribe is a simpleton.

I’m SO tired of hearing guys challenge other guys to go to a BJJ club and “roll” (lame) with another.

Obviously a person who hasn’t trained it will be submitted in no time flat.

Doesn’t mean much of anything, really.

A fight pops out at a bar, no amount of rolling is gonna secure the win.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2020, 05:58:26 PM »
Do you have any grappling experience or any ground game for that matter?


ITF Black Belt, Shotokan Brown Belt. I beat guys up.

I’m SO tired of hearing guys challenge other guys to go to a BJJ club and “roll” (lame) with another.

Obviously a person who hasn’t trained it will be submitted in no time flat.

Doesn’t mean much of anything, really.

A fight pops out at a bar, no amount of rolling is gonna secure the win.
You got that right. Streetfights are won with fists, feet, knees and elbows.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2020, 06:03:07 PM »
A quick and well-timed combo or monstrous brute attack almost always wins a true-life altercation.

If you’re “rolling” around on the floor of a dance club or on a sidewalk, news flash: BOTH of you are going nowhere, fast. And if he’s got friends, you’re done dead.

Size, strength, speed, and aggression, reigns supreme in real dust-ups.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2020, 02:51:16 AM »
Lee Duffy didnt know any "rolling. "
He just put you down with a right hand from hell

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2020, 03:39:37 AM »
Lee Duffy didnt know any "rolling. "
He just put you down with a right hand from hell


Lee's brother, Chris Duffy, could teach him a thing or two about "rolling".

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2020, 04:09:03 AM »
Lee's brother, Chris Duffy, could teach him a thing or two about "rolling".

Lee had no brother.  He was a loner. A one man wrecking machine who ruled with an iron fist. Lol, can you imagine the Duffer caring about "lockdown!"  ::)

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2020, 04:17:57 AM »
What sold me on Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was how they approached these endless arguments.
They just simply challenged you to fight. They had an open challenge, made famous in an article on Rorion Gracie in Playboy magazine, in which they would pay anybody $10,000 if you could defeat a Gracie in a no rules bare-knuckle fight. The challenger didn't have to put up a dime and had nothing to lose except his pride. In those days, late 1980s and early 1990s we had challenges come in from all martial art styles. Every single one of them got their ass handed to them. The Gracies revolutionize martial arts and now if you don't have a grappling background you have no chance.

This Roast Beef guy can make all the claims he wants and tell us his styles and qualifications and ranks, but what he won't do is actually fight a legit Jiu-Jitsu black belt. It's not hard to do. A legit Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt is always willing and able to throw down. Unlike traditional martial arts where they always preached walking away from a fight and being a man of peace and all that yin yang baloney, not so with the Gracies. Insult them then be prepared to fight. They never made any bones about their belief that the whole point of martial is to be able to fight and to be ready to fight. There are other things you can get out of training because for most people training in martial arts they rarely, if ever, get into a real fight, but they never lose sight of the fact that martial arts is about fighting.

The Gracies developed their style, which is different from the original Jiu-Jitsu taught to them from the Japanese, by actually fighting. Both in the dojo and in the streets or beach.

And they have been fighting for real for generations.  





 

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2020, 05:26:23 AM »
Nobody gives a shit about BJJ anymore.

Turned out good old american wrestling was superior, as proven in UFC time and time again.



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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2020, 06:18:42 AM »
BJJ is now more of sport and exercise.  And a great one at that.  Tons of my buddies love it and thats cool. 

For self defense purposes - one needs probably 1-2 years of going 2-3 x a week for it to do anything in a street fight situation vs anything else. 

Wrestling and Boxing - and keeping ones self in good shape physically - probably far more effective overall. 

In a typical street fight - bar fight, etc - who the F would try to go to the ground as a first resort and pull guard and try to work a arm bar or a choke?   FNG dumb. 


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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2020, 06:23:54 AM »
How a real bar fight goes down...




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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2020, 06:27:16 AM »
How a real bar fight goes down...





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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2020, 06:34:18 AM »
Road House is one of the dumbest movies of all time... and it's awesome  ;D

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2020, 06:41:56 AM »
Road House is one of the dumbest movies of all time... and it's awesome  ;D

I thought youd be bigger

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2020, 06:49:36 AM »
Road House is one of the dumbest movies of all time... and it's awesome  ;D

I thought you'd be more fried.
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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2020, 06:52:37 AM »
The Gracies lined up tomato cans for the so-called "gracie challenge". They carefully controlled the media surtounding their bouts, and would become violent when they got shown up and were beaten. Plenty of videos on the internet of the Gracies getting their asses kicked.

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2020, 06:59:31 AM »
The Gracies lined up tomato cans for the so-called "gracie challenge". They carefully controlled the media surtounding their bouts, and would become violent when they got shown up and were beaten. Plenty of videos on the internet of the Gracies getting their asses kicked.

They claim to have challenged lenny McLean.....after hed died.
Saying he never responded! ::)

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2020, 07:01:27 AM »

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2020, 07:17:56 AM »
I’m SO tired of hearing guys challenge other guys to go to a BJJ club and “roll” (lame) with another.

Obviously a person who hasn’t trained it will be submitted in no time flat.

Doesn’t mean much of anything, really.

A fight pops out at a bar, no amount of rolling is gonna secure the win.

normally a distraction by pointing over their shoulder quickly followed by a sucker punch then on your toes..

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2020, 09:53:26 AM »

"ITF Black Belt, Shotokan Brown Belt. I beat guys up."

Sad juvenile BS  ;D

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Re: Why Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is a fraud
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2020, 09:56:22 AM »
They claim to have challenged lenny McLean.....after hed died.
Saying he never responded! ::)
Why did Lenny die?  I thought he was unstoppable.