Ahmaud Arbery - Discussion

[Primemuscle]

There had only been one burglary "reported" in the neighborhood.  If he was shot in the back as he was running away or shot for no reason it would be murder.  Did you miss the part where he made a 90 degree turn and started attacking?  Did I see a different video?

Great. He didrn't continue to run away, instead he turned to face his attackers minus any weapon, so the father and son morons with their rifles in hand shot him to death. Seems fair. 

Look, spin it however you wish. They murdered him, plain and simple. Nothing justifies their actions. NOTHING!

[Body-Buildah]

^ probably the most disturbed person ive ever seen on a muscle forum. 70+ years old, on here non-stop, very weak minded democrat.
if some of the things i ead here are true (glory holes) well, then your opinion on anything is just a waste of everyones time. arguing, whining, very weak minded.

you dont really know what happened so dont talk like your word is fact. its meaningless. you should be really up in arms over the calculated hate crime murder of 2 older white folks in a cemetary. planned, cold blooded, calculated. not something that went badly during a struggle. are you a "karen" type?

[bigkid]

Great. He didrn't continue to run away, instead he turned to face his attackers minus any weapon, so the father and son morons with their rifles in hand shot him to death. Seems fair. 

Look, spin it however you wish. They murdered him, plain and simple. Nothing justifies their actions. NOTHING!

Talk about a lack of facts and a bunch of spin on your part. Ahmaud wasn't being attacked.  The father didn't fire a shot.  Neither of them had rifles. The shots were at close range as Ahmaud punched the son and tried to grab the gun from him.  If he had stopped and they shot him or he ran and they shot him, that's murder.  But thats's not what happened, no matter how much you and the rest of the bleeding hearts want it to be.

[Thin Lizzy]

New video allegedly shows Ahmaud Arbery visiting same construction site in December


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/new-video-allegedly-shows-ahmaud-arbery-visiting-same-construction-site-in-december

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

New video allegedly shows Ahmaud Arbery visiting same construction site in December


https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/national/new-video-allegedly-shows-ahmaud-arbery-visiting-same-construction-site-in-december

Visit a construction site...get shot to death🙄

[Thin Lizzy]

Visit a construction site...get shot to death🙄

Straw Man Argument Alert 🚨 🚨 🚨

As an aside Vince, you’ve posted the classic Chris Rock bit. Was Arbery a black person or a...?

[sarcafago]

Visit a construction site...get shot to death🙄

[Megalodon]

Beware of triathletes while pumping gas.

[Agnostic007]

Visit a construction site...get shot to death🙄

The speculation from the property owner was that he was accessing a water source. Additional video tends to indicate he was drinking from a spigot near the dock. The property owner had no concerns about the visits and was apparently aware of them from seeing them on his surveillance video. He wasn't the only one seen on video exploring the property. The killer will have to base his entire defense on the 10 seconds or so of the struggle and that will be a tough row to hoe given the circumstances that created that scenario 

[Thin Lizzy]

The speculation from the property owner was that he was accessing a water source. Additional video tends to indicate he was drinking from a spigot near the dock. The property owner had no concerns about the visits and was apparently aware of them from seeing them on his surveillance video. He wasn't the only one seen on video exploring the property. The killer will have to base his entire defense on the 10 seconds or so of the struggle and that will be a tough row to hoe given the circumstances that created that scenario

Sounds like he had concerns to me:



Video shows person at construction site 12 days before Ahmaud Arbery’s death

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/05/13/video-shows-person-at-construction-site-12-days-before-ahmaud-arberys-death/?outputType=amp

English said he recalled four or five instances of someone entering the construction site. He said those incidents, one of which was captured in the Feb. 11 clip, began in October and continued until just prior to the deadly shooting of Arbery


English’s attorney said the two exchanged cellphone numbers, English shared the October video and Perez texted:
"Goodness. If you catch someone on your cameras, let me know right away, I can respond in mere seconds. It’s totally up to you. Our yards connect in the back and I can go either way, through he front or back, with your permission.

“Thank you for texting me. I’ll put up another camera facing that way so I can keep an eye out in real time. I watch the cameras pretty often

[Primemuscle]

Talk about a lack of facts and a bunch of spin on your part. Ahmaud wasn't being attacked.  The father didn't fire a shot.  Neither of them had rifles. The shots were at close range as Ahmaud punched the son and tried to grab the gun from him.  If he had stopped and they shot him or he ran and they shot him, that's murder.  But thats's not what happened, no matter how much you and the rest of the bleeding hearts want it to be.

Ultimately, what you think and what I think mean nothing. It will be what the Grand Jury decides that will move the case forward or not.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael's son Travis struggled over his son's shotgun(see photo below of a shotgun). McMichael Sr. had a handgun which he apparently did not fire.



"911 calls show the call taker was asking the men what Arbery is doing that was of criminal concern, Merritt said.
"They didn't give any answer for that, they said, 'He's a black man running down our road,' Merritt said."

[chaos]

Ultimately, what you think and what I think mean nothing. It will be what the Grand Jury decides that will move the case forward or not.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael's son Travis struggled over his son's shotgun(see photo below of a shotgun). McMichael Sr. had a handgun which he apparently did not fire.



"911 calls show the call taker was asking the men what Arbery is doing that was of criminal concern, Merritt said.
"They didn't give any answer for that, they said, 'He's a black man running down our road,' Merritt said."

This shotgun was used to kill that guy?

[Earl1972]

what is so fascinating about construction sites?  suddenly many people claim they visit them all the time

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[Earl1972]

Beware of triathletes while pumping gas.

why isn't this on CNN?

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[Primemuscle]

This shotgun was used to kill that guy?

It is just a photo of a shotgun. Unless you can see the shotgun in the video, there no way to know what it looked like. Not all shotguns look the same.

The point was that it was a shotgun that was used to kill the guy and not a handgun. Small detail really since dead is dead. But, it does suggest how close he was to the shooter. Probably not as close had it been a handgun.

[oldtimer1]

New evidence has come forth when he was confronted trespassing is when he ran.  He wasn't  jogging. The more I learn about this case the more I realize this is biased agenda driven reporting.

[Hulkotron]

what is so fascinating about construction sites?  suddenly many people claim they visit them all the time

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"Multiple security video clips obtained by CNN show unidentified people on other occasions entering English's home, which was under construction."

I don't get this either.  People see home construction sites and just go in and wander around?  That's very weird, I've never done that in my life nor anyone I know.

[chaos]

It is just a photo of a shotgun. Unless you can see the shotgun in the video, there no way to know what it looked like. Not all shotguns look the same.

The point was that it was a shotgun that was used to kill the guy and not a handgun. Small detail really since dead is dead. But, it does suggest how close he was to the shooter. Probably not as close had it been a handgun.

This last part is confusing as hell. How does what type of gun was used define how close or far they were apart?


On a side note, is there audio on the shooting video?

[Moontrane]

"Multiple security video clips obtained by CNN show unidentified people on other occasions entering English's home, which was under construction."

I don't get this either.  People see home construction sites and just go in and wander around?  That's very weird, I've never done that in my life nor anyone I know.

I've done it: once when I was a kid, and several times for my new home.

[oldtimer1]

"Multiple security video clips obtained by CNN show unidentified people on other occasions entering English's home, which was under construction."

I don't get this either.  People see home construction sites and just go in and wander around?  That's very weird, I've never done that in my life nor anyone I know.

CNN is so dirty. They show that tape as proof he did nothing wrong. Nope, they were all trespassing. Think the contractor allows unknown people explore a house under construction?

[Primemuscle]

New evidence has come forth when he was confronted trespassing is when he ran.  He wasn't  jogging. The more I learn about this case the more I realize this is biased agenda driven reporting.

Interesting, who confronted him? Do you have a link to information saying Ahmaud was confronted right before he ran and was chased by McMichaels and son? I found nothing about this.

This is what I was able to find regarding a confrontation at the construction site. There's no indication that this earlier confrontation was with Ahmaud Arbery, just another black man. Also, it happens 2 weeks prior to the shooting.

https://wgxa.tv/news/local/arbery-shooting-suspect-had-earlier-confrontation-with-unknown-man-at-construction-site

Ahmaud Arbery may have gone to construction site for water before shooting

https://nypost.com/2020/05/15/ahmaud-arbery-may-have-entered-construction-site-for-water/

“He stopped by a property under construction where he engaged in no illegal activity and remained for only a brief period. Ahmaud did not take anything from the construction site. He did not cause any damage to the property.”

In a Dec. 17 clip, a man who authorities believe is Arbery, wearing shorts and a tank top, leaves the construction site and enters Satilla Drive jogging.

[Primemuscle]

This last part is confusing as hell. How does what type of gun was used define how close or far they were apart?


On a side note, is there audio on the shooting video?

Doesn't the length of the gun indicate there was some distance between McMichaels and Ahmaud? I'm trying to envision how if they were in a scuffle this would work.  Wouldn't they be too close together physically for one to shoot the other? Maybe Ahmaud had ridiculously long arms, like 4' which is the average length of a shotgun and was thus able to attack McMichaels whilst being shot by him. 

[Primemuscle]

I've done it: once when I was a kid, and several times for my new home.

Architecture and construction have always interested me. I have walked through more houses under construction than I can count. Go into any subdivision under construction and you'll see folks walking through houses that are being built. It is trespassing and builders sometimes put up no trespassing signs which they do to protect themselves should someone walking around the site get hurt. It makes it a little more difficult to sue the builder. Even realtors will ignore no trespassing signs if they want to scope the place out for their clients.

[Thin Lizzy]

Yeah the owner only invested a few hundred grand in the house. Why wouldn’t he want some scummy dindu with a history of theft wandering around there frequently looking for stuff to steal?

[chaos]

Doesn't the length of the gun indicate there was some distance between McMichaels and Ahmaud? I'm trying to envision how if they were in a scuffle this would work.  Wouldn't they be too close together physically for one to shoot the other? Maybe Ahmaud had ridiculously long arms, like 4' which is the average length of a shotgun and was thus able to attack McMichaels whilst being shot by him.

In bold....no it's not.
Did you watch the video? Did you see the struggle? Did you see the way he ran around the front of the truck and immediately attacked the guy holding the shotgun?