It’s time to start fighting back.... in Los Angeles County

[JustPlaneJane]

Fuck this lockdown shit. Open up America again. The weak and smokers can stay at home but let the rest of us get the hell on with it.

A little over 3 million people die every year worldwide from obesity.

Where is the outcry to sequester fat people away from food ?

The U.S. government sent you home and kept you in the dark so they could transfer $7 TRILLION of debt onto the backs of the middle class. Without President Donald Trump it would have been double that.

You’ve just been duped into the second largest transfer of wealth in history, after the 8 year Obama scam fleeced the middle class of $10 TRILLION.

[SOMEPARTS]

A little over 3 million people die every year worldwide from obesity.

Where is the outcry to sequester fat people away from food ?

The U.S. government sent you home and kept you in the dark so they could transfer $7 TRILLION of debt onto the backs of the middle class. Without President Donald Trump it would have been double that.

You’ve just been duped into the second largest transfer of wealth in history, after the 8 year Obama scam fleeced the middle class of $10 TRILLION.

It will be 10 trillion by the end of the week. Trump has been teflon up to this point but the political posturing on this is simply an unwinnable issue.

This is the globalist/statist nuclear option. We are at the point where the news and the governors of these states are well aware of what they are doing - all done in lockstep with DC power of the purse.

When you are at the point where they are trying to pass mail in ballot and promise 2k checks forever as an obvious vote bribe - what kind of election could this country expect?

[Dave D]

We have a huge problem that isn't easy to solve. After governments got involved things changed and restrictions were introduced. Just about everyone accepted this was necessary. As the risk eases what do governments do? Propose there be steps to get back to normal. Well, here is the snag. What government wants to give an order that might result in even one person losing their life? Also, what if that person who loses their life is us, family or someone close to us? This is a no win situation for those who give orders. In addition you have experts in the medical profession giving opinions about possible outcomes of any easing of restrictions. I don't think the world has been in such a delicate situation before. Here in Australia things aren't so bad re the virus but we still can't go around and do what we like. Oh, we can buy food and essentials, exercise and visit here and there but overall we are told to stay home. You see, the government doesn't want to allow travel about the state if that results in the virus being spread to places that were untouched before. I can't see an easy solution here. In the meantime, imagine owning a gym or restaurant or any other business affected by the lockdowns. How are they going to survive a continued shutdown?

Yes Vince what government wants to give an order that even one person loses a life.....

But what about wars? Or abortions? Or the health care system in America where the allegedly turn sick and dying away because of their insurance?

Or what about the black man shot in the street while jogging and no arrests were made until celebrities protested on Twitter.

Or what about China, do they care if one life is lost?

Here in the states you can’t get a hair cut but you can fly from coast to coast without any issue, some areas may ask that you self quarantine. Do you really think this is about saving lives at this point? Or is it about state governments getting into pissing contests over politics?

Read what I wrote. You can FLY anywhere you want in this country, LA will continue the lockdown but someone from New Orleans can fly into LAX? How is that slowing down, never mind stopping, the spread of anything?

The whole goal was to ease the burdens on the hospitals, flatten the curve not eliminate the virus.
It’s been flattened.

We won’t return to “normal” for a few years. Just because things are opened doesn’t mean people will return back to how it was before. 

The big problem is the miscommunication and flat out lying that has taken place. The public doesn’t know what information to trust.

[Megalodon]

Maria Branyas: 'Oldest woman in Spain' beats coronavirus at 113

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52641659

If they really cared, NYC's DeBlasio and others shouldn't be pushing nursing home residents to endure the importation of youthful Covid patients in their Covid-free units. A Baltimore County nursing home took in at least 5 young Covid patients and none of the established, paying elderly residents were consulted beforehand. And that's the tip of the iceberg.

The elderly are a wedge issue. It's like "but the Kurds! The poor Kurds!" whenever uncaring, manipulative Neocons fear US troops will be pulled out of the middle east.

[Bevo]

We’ve been looking at either Arizona or Texas. The only thing that stopping us is that my mom is 82 and not going leave her

Texas is great, Austin is more liberal, but Dallas has great house prices, lifting scene is pretty big and great gyms

[Bevo]

I’d rather live in FL with no state tax, less government regulation and less homeless people.

I have family and friends still in OC, California, Newport Beach, would never pick Florida over that imo lol

[Bevo]

Honestly this type of thinking is what's wrong with the world. No one values anyone. Many of those old birds fought for what we have today.

Yes, don’t ever disrespect the WW2, Vietnam, and Korean War veterans

Fuck deadz

[Rambone]

I have family and friends still in OC, California, Newport Beach, would never pick Florida over that imo lol

To each his own, my iron brethren...

[IroNat]

I’d rather live in FL with no state tax, less government regulation and less homeless people.

But...an alligator could eat you.

[Mr Anabolic]

Texas is great, Austin is more liberal, but Dallas has great house prices, lifting scene is pretty big and great gyms

The libtards are slowly taking over the state.  In less than 10 years TX will be a blue state.

[Hypertrophy]

Please forgive my broken record response. In case you failed to notice COVID-19 (a severe flu like disease) is worldwide and not just a problem that's happening in the U.S.

Here are a few things for you to ponder which might help you with your inability or unwillingness to take a worldview about a global problem.

As the novel coronavirus continues to spread, some countries are putting their citizens on various forms lockdown, though that's not a technical term used by public-health officials.

India, France, Italy, and the UK have implemented the world's largest and most restrictive mass quarantines.
A handful of countries, including Spain, Germany, and South Korea have started relaxing lockdown measures. The results have been mixed.

More than 286,835 people have died and over 4,201,921 have been infected by the coronavirus worldwide.

https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-on-lockdown-coronavirus-italy-2020-3

List of countries locked down

Get off my nuts Prime, lol The disease is greatly exaggerated. I was in Korea during the H1N1 flu and saw the 'mini-lockdown there- even to the point of having a thermal scan at Samsung Semiconductor where I was giving a talk. At the time that was the boogie man the world was afraid of - and it led to nothing. This is no different. The recorded deaths are so inflated as to be meaningless. In my local hospital in Greenville SC my daughter in law, an ICU nurse, told me they are recording Covid-19 as the cause of death for elderly patients even if it isn't. The reimbursements are about 5X greater from Medicare if they do.

As for my "worldview" I'll put my current international experiences up against your house bound self any day. I deal with the whole of Europe in my tech business as well as China/Korea/Japan and Taiwan. The resounding response from the people I talk to there is: This is a pile of bullshit. I spoke with my rep in Beijing two days ago. He told me nothing has changed - just some hotspots in the provinces north of the city and even that is no cause for alarm. So spare me your preaching.

[SF1900]

Get off my nuts Prime, lol The disease is greatly exaggerated. I was in Korea during the H1N1 flu and saw the 'mini-lockdown there- even to the point of having a thermal scan at Samsung Semiconductor where I was giving a talk. At the time that was the boogie man the world was afraid of - and it led to nothing. This is no different. The recorded deaths are so inflated as to be meaningless. In my local hospital in Greenville SC my daughter in law, an ICU nurse, told me they are recording Covid-19 as the cause of death for elderly patients even if it isn't. The reimbursements are about 5X greater from Medicare if they do.

As for my "worldview" I'll put my current international experiences up against your house bound self any day. I deal with the whole of Europe in my tech business as well as China/Korea/Japan and Taiwan. The resounding response from the people I talk to there is: This is a pile of bullshit. I spoke with my rep in Beijing two days ago. He told me nothing has changed - just some hotspots in the provinces north of the city and even that is no cause for alarm. So spare me your preaching.

Hell yeah!! Typical getbigger!! 

[Primemuscle]

Get off my nuts Prime, lol The disease is greatly exaggerated. I was in Korea during the H1N1 flu and saw the 'mini-lockdown there- even to the point of having a thermal scan at Samsung Semiconductor where I was giving a talk. At the time that was the boogie man the world was afraid of - and it led to nothing. This is no different. The recorded deaths are so inflated as to be meaningless. In my local hospital in Greenville SC my daughter in law, an ICU nurse, told me they are recording Covid-19 as the cause of death for elderly patients even if it isn't. The reimbursements are about 5X greater from Medicare if they do.

As for my "worldview" I'll put my current international experiences up against your house bound self any day. I deal with the whole of Europe in my tech business as well as China/Korea/Japan and Taiwan. The resounding response from the people I talk to there is: This is a pile of bullshit. I spoke with my rep in Beijing two days ago. He told me nothing has changed - just some hotspots in the provinces north of the city and even that is no cause for alarm. So spare me your preaching.

Clearly, from what you say, you are much more in the know about this then I am or for that matter most other people who've brought into this whole COVID-19 nonsense. So please do carry on with your line of thinking about this overblown pandemic and I will stay off your nuts. Cool?

Wouldn't want to mislead you, but I am hardly housebound....not even now with the stay-at-home advisement. You must be thinking of some other old folks. 

[deadz]

Honestly this type of thinking is what's wrong with the world. No one values anyone. Many of those old birds fought for what we have today.

Correct, with the exception of a few family members. Most human beings are scum, like you for instance.

[deadz]

Yes, don’t ever disrespect the WW2, Vietnam, and Korean War veterans

Fuck deadz

Go suck a dick, Beverly.

[AbrahamG]

The libtards are slowly taking over the state.  In less than 10 years TX will be a blue state.

Inshallah!

[The Scott]

Libtards need to get off their soapbox and come clean regarding this plandemic instead of forcing working folks to take a bath to fund their socialist screwtopia.  FTN.

[Thin Lizzy]

The libtards are slowly taking over the state.  In less than 10 years TX will be a blue state.

I’d like to see conservatives and libertarians move to blue states and turn them red.

People always think of New York in terms of New York City but the rest of the state is really quite rural. If you go upstate you have rivers, lakes and mountains. There’s hunting and fishing. It’s really a great state with Godawful government.

[oldtimer1]

This is all about destroying the economy.  They think this will help them win the White House and both sides of Congress. It really shows how despicable Democrats are. See how many blue states have a pact on the east and west coast to remain closed?  They keep saying like a mantra if it saves one life.

In 1969 the Hong Kong flu was here. It killed roughly one million world wide and about 100,000 in the US. What did we do? we had Woodstock with numbers so huge it's still disputed how many went to that concert.  Covid has a roughly 99% survival rate. Let those who fear, pre existing conditions, and the elderly quarantine. The rest of us need to get back to work. It's amazing the ones that are supporting this work shutdown are the ones getting a government check of some kind like social security, disability, welfare or unemployment.  Those with money in the bank also have no problem with the work shut down. This is a fact. When this work shut down is lifted after the election millions of jobs won't exist to go back to.

Every job is essential if the pay check is taking care of a family or even an individual.

[OneMoreRep]

Random thoughts here, not directed at anyone.

Just out of curiosity, is anyone here an actual medical provider working within a hospital, particularly an acute care setting? I mean a Doctor, Nurse Practitioner, Physician Assistant or RN? If so, what have you seen? I think it's important to get their point of view, as they're the true eyes on the ground that are seeing firsthand the devastating effects this virus is having on people.

From March 1st to May 15th, this virus has killed 86,000+ Americans. That's 2 months and a half. Multiply that mortality rate by 4 to complete a year and total death rate could reach 430,000+. Spanish Influenza of 1918 killed over 675,000 Americans and certainly was the most devastating Pandemic in the last century, infecting over 500 million people worldwide (3rd of the world's population at that time and killed more than 50 million people worldwide). Times were different in 1918. They didn't have access to the medical advances we have today, medications or equipment. They also didn't have the advanced communication tools we have today (they didn't have Televisions, Computers, Internet, Cell Phones etc). We are in a much better place today.

I think we shouldn't underestimate what this virus is. For some to call it a hoax, lie or bullshit is odd.

I think what the government should do is simple. For those that feel so inclined to go back to business as usual immediately, allow them to do so, but have them legally waive their rights to medical care if they become infected by COVID-19. All others, abide by the laws set by the same people YOU voted into office.

I want to go back to work as much as anyone else, but I'm also not trying to die. A fucking gym can wait. It's a petri dish for infections and building some muscle isn't making anyone any money as a result. But this entire situation is very interesting, first pandemic of our time. It's put into perspective what Politician's truly are, how useless social influencers truly are, what's really important for human beings versus what people are made to believe is necessary due to consumer-driven marketing and for many, it's allowed people a chance to reconnect with family and disconnect from the clutter in between that keeps us "busy".

Remember as well, there have been billions pumped into our economy and furthermore swept into the pockets of the largest companies in the USA (you know, the job creators). While I don't agree that printing money is a good idea, as it does make paper money worthless over time, strange how the citizens of the USA got pennies in comparison to these large companies. Politicians are showings their true colors, from Trump all the way down to your local politicians.

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[bigkid]

People seem to have forgotten there's risk in every day life.  There seem to be this mantra the left is pushing that we can't reopen anything because if we risk 1 persons life that's too many.  Total bullshit.

[Sissysquats]

Random thoughts here, not directed at anyone.

Just out of curiosity, is anyone here an actual medical provider working within a hospital, particularly an acute care setting? I mean a Doctor, Nurse Practitioner, Physician Assistant or RN? If so, what have you seen? I think it's important to get their point of view, as they're the true eyes on the ground that are seeing firsthand the devastating effects this virus is having on people.

From March 1st to May 15th, this virus has killed 86,000+ Americans. That's 2 months and a half. Multiply that mortality rate by 4 to complete a year and total death rate could reach 430,000+. Spanish Influenza of 1918 killed over 675,000 Americans and certainly was the most devastating Pandemic in the last century, infecting over 500 million people worldwide (3rd of the world's population at that time and killed more than 50 million people worldwide). Times were different in 1918. They didn't have access to the medical advances we have today, medications or equipment. They also didn't have the advanced communication tools we have today (they didn't have Televisions, Computers, Internet, Cell Phones etc). We are in a much better place today.

I think we shouldn't underestimate what this virus is. For some to call it a hoax, lie or bullshit is odd.

I think what the government should do is simple. For those that feel so inclined to go back to business as usual immediately, allow them to do so, but have them legally waive their rights to medical care if they become infected by COVID-19. All others, abide by the laws set by the same people YOU voted into office.

I want to go back to work as much as anyone else, but I'm also not trying to die. A fucking gym can wait. It's a petri dish for infections and building some muscle isn't making anyone any money as a result. But this entire situation is very interesting, first pandemic of our time. It's put into perspective what Politician's truly are, how useless social influencers truly are, what's really important for human beings versus what people are made to believe is necessary due to consumer-driven marketing and for many, it's allowed people a chance to reconnect with family and disconnect from the clutter in between that keeps us "busy".

Remember as well, there have been billions pumped into our economy and furthermore swept into the pockets of the largest companies in the USA (you know, the job creators). While I don't agree that printing money is a good idea, as it does make paper money worthless over time, strange how the citizens of the USA got pennies in comparison to these large companies. Politicians are showings their true colors, from Trump all the way down to your local politicians.

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  Let’s be real. They say it’s killed 86k. We know they are pumping the numbers. Nursing home with 2,3,4 co morbidities are counted. Hospice patients are counted. We know state health depts are classifying everything they can as Chi-rona related. H ell even a dude in Colorado with a .55 bac had the death cert changed from ETOH poisoning to Chi-rona. It’s bull chit

[oldtimer1]

Random thoughts here, not directed at anyone.

Just out of curiosity, is anyone here an actual medical provider working within a hospital, particularly an acute care setting? I mean a Doctor, Nurse Practitioner, Physician Assistant or RN? If so, what have you seen? I think it's important to get their point of view, as they're the true eyes on the ground that are seeing firsthand the devastating effects this virus is having on people.

From March 1st to May 15th, this virus has killed 86,000+ Americans. That's 2 months and a half. Multiply that mortality rate by 4 to complete a year and total death rate could reach 430,000+. Spanish Influenza of 1918 killed over 675,000 Americans and certainly was the most devastating Pandemic in the last century, infecting over 500 million people worldwide (3rd of the world's population at that time and killed more than 50 million people worldwide). Times were different in 1918. They didn't have access to the medical advances we have today, medications or equipment. They also didn't have the advanced communication tools we have today (they didn't have Televisions, Computers, Internet, Cell Phones etc). We are in a much better place today.

I think we shouldn't underestimate what this virus is. For some to call it a hoax, lie or bullshit is odd.

I think what the government should do is simple. For those that feel so inclined to go back to business as usual immediately, allow them to do so, but have them legally waive their rights to medical care if they become infected by COVID-19. All others, abide by the laws set by the same people YOU voted into office.

I want to go back to work as much as anyone else, but I'm also not trying to die. A fucking gym can wait. It's a petri dish for infections and building some muscle isn't making anyone any money as a result. But this entire situation is very interesting, first pandemic of our time. It's put into perspective what Politician's truly are, how useless social influencers truly are, what's really important for human beings versus what people are made to believe is necessary due to consumer-driven marketing and for many, it's allowed people a chance to reconnect with family and disconnect from the clutter in between that keeps us "busy".

Remember as well, there have been billions pumped into our economy and furthermore swept into the pockets of the largest companies in the USA (you know, the job creators). While I don't agree that printing money is a good idea, as it does make paper money worthless over time, strange how the citizens of the USA got pennies in comparison to these large companies. Politicians are showings their true colors, from Trump all the way down to your local politicians.

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No one said it was a hoax.  The President said the news providers hype was a hoax and even the liberal fact checking spin machines don't dispute that.
 
 My daughter is a  nurse working in intensive care in a hospital at the worst part of the state for the disease in NJ. She said admissions to ICU are way down. They had people in the hall ways on ventilators and that's all gone. Those infected stay the same because the number tested has increased dramatically.  That's why the Blue states scream for increased testing to keep the numbers going when the amount in intensive care admission is way down. Another point is the numbers are faked. Hospitals receive 12K a patient from medicare for Covid. Strong reason to say they died from Covid.

 Don't forget that Cuomo from NY had a 1000 bed floating hospital and a huge hospital set up by the Army corp of engineers in the Javits center was hardly used.  To add to that a Christian group set up a MASH tent hospital ready to go that wasn't used because a Christian group set it up. So many of the deaths in NY was from Cuomo telling nursing homes that those having tested positive must return there. They infected so many that died. He should have sent them to the ship.

 I find it insanity to keep a state closed for a 1k deaths. Sweden never closed and had only slightly higher numbers than surrounding countries. Florida and Georgia are open and have seen a  covid drop.

  Outside of a vaccine quarantining isn't helping with herd immunity. The overwhelming amount of people dying are the elderly and those with pre existing conditions. How many kids have died from it?  How many under 60 years old? If anyone is scared of catching it the solution is simple. Don't work and stay home. Destroying the economy is clearly for political ambition. Trump had the greatest economy in 50 years and it was improving.

If a 70 year old grandma can work checking groceries at my super market 40 hours a week we can all get to work. All jobs are essential if they take care of a family. People are running out of savings to buy food. This temporary unemployment amount giving people nearly a $1000 a week will make people refuse to go back to work.

One last point roughly 60k to 80K die every year in the US with the upper respiratory infections of the common flu and pneumonia. Mainly elderly and those with pre existing conditions. No one shuts the economy down. The question is would millions die in the US if we didn't have the shut down? Judging by Sweden per 100K deaths I have a question about that prediction.

[joswift]

Random thoughts here, not directed at anyone.

Just out of curiosity, is anyone here an actual medical provider working within a hospital, particularly an acute care setting? I mean a Doctor, Nurse Practitioner, Physician Assistant or RN? If so, what have you seen? I think it's important to get their point of view, as they're the true eyes on the ground that are seeing firsthand the devastating effects this virus is having on people.

From March 1st to May 15th, this virus has killed 86,000+ Americans. That's 2 months and a half. Multiply that mortality rate by 4 to complete a year and total death rate could reach 430,000+. Spanish Influenza of 1918 killed over 675,000 Americans and certainly was the most devastating Pandemic in the last century, infecting over 500 million people worldwide (3rd of the world's population at that time and killed more than 50 million people worldwide). Times were different in 1918. They didn't have access to the medical advances we have today, medications or equipment. They also didn't have the advanced communication tools we have today (they didn't have Televisions, Computers, Internet, Cell Phones etc). We are in a much better place today.

I think we shouldn't underestimate what this virus is. For some to call it a hoax, lie or bullshit is odd.

I think what the government should do is simple. For those that feel so inclined to go back to business as usual immediately, allow them to do so, but have them legally waive their rights to medical care if they become infected by COVID-19. All others, abide by the laws set by the same people YOU voted into office.

I want to go back to work as much as anyone else, but I'm also not trying to die. A fucking gym can wait. It's a petri dish for infections and building some muscle isn't making anyone any money as a result. But this entire situation is very interesting, first pandemic of our time. It's put into perspective what Politician's truly are, how useless social influencers truly are, what's really important for human beings versus what people are made to believe is necessary due to consumer-driven marketing and for many, it's allowed people a chance to reconnect with family and disconnect from the clutter in between that keeps us "busy".

Remember as well, there have been billions pumped into our economy and furthermore swept into the pockets of the largest companies in the USA (you know, the job creators). While I don't agree that printing money is a good idea, as it does make paper money worthless over time, strange how the citizens of the USA got pennies in comparison to these large companies. Politicians are showings their true colors, from Trump all the way down to your local politicians.

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500,000 people die in the UK every year from all causes .

Covid isnt killing all the people, Covid is being added to every persons death certificate.

In the UK 10,000 peopel die every month in care homes, thats without Covid19

People die all the time, sure, covid is killing some people who are already circling the drain, once those are gone you will find the death toll starts falling very quickly, I will wager at the end of the year the overall death toll is similar to previous years, covid is killing people who would most likely have died this year anyway.

[OneMoreRep]

  Let’s be real. They say it’s killed 86k. We know they are pumping the numbers. Nursing home with 2,3,4 co morbidities are counted. Hospice patients are counted. We know state health depts are classifying everything they can as Chi-rona related. H ell even a dude in Colorado with a .55 bac had the death cert changed from ETOH poisoning to Chi-rona. It’s bull chit

I get what you're trying to say, but those are the numbers reported by the CDC and WHO, that get their numbers from all the major hospitals throughout the USA. This is information that even when Trump was questioned about, he wholeheartedly agreed that he believes in the numbers as reported by the CDC. If we start to make assumptions regarding the numbers being false, then we are simply adding our own spin to it. By that token, why believe any of the credible sources we have within Healthcare and the government regarding any data that is provided to us regarding healthcare related matters? I also don't want to jump into the world of conspiracy theories either here, I am sticking to the numbers and facts as provided to us by credible US healthcare-related sources.

I get that there is more than meets the eye to the story. There are rumors suggesting that hospitals throughout the USA have to pump up the figures they report to the CDC, given that the larger the figures the more money that's allocated to these hospitals for financial recovery purposes. But again, these are merely rumors and we can't go by rumors when dealing with the well-being of Americans.

Again, I just think that we need to be fair in accepting what we do know of this virus, respecting the devastating effects it has proven to have and allowing for a government to do the best they can in assisting us with this matter. I never said the government is perfect, far from it I believe that it's a broken system, but it's a system we've entrusted our Lives to for centuries now.

I can respect your stance on being incredulous to what's being reported and simply hope that we get past this sooner rather than later.

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