Author Topic: George Floyd - Death by Cop. Knee's his neck for 8+ minutes!  (Read 72321 times)

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I don't know how these idiots get a badge.  Absolutely no reason to hold a cuffed person in this position.






MINNEAPOLIS -- A black man who died in police custody in Minneapolis was seen on a bystander's video pleading that he could not breathe as a white officer knelt on his neck during the arrest and kept his knee there for several minutes after the man stopped moving.

The death Monday night after a struggle with officers was under investigation by the FBI and state law enforcement authorities. It drew comparisons to the case of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died in 2014 in New York after he was placed in a chokehold by police and pleaded for his life, saying he could not breathe.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey apologized to the black community Tuesday in a post on his Facebook page.

"Being Black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes, we watched a white officer press his knee into a Black man's neck. Five minutes. When you hear someone calling for help, you're supposed to help. This officer failed in the most basic, human sense," Frey posted.

Police said the man matched the description of a suspect in a forgery case and resisted arrest. The unidentified officer ignores his pleas. "Please, please, please, I can't breathe. Please, man," the man is heard telling the officer.

After several minutes, one of the officers tells the man to "relax." Minutes pass, and the man becomes motionless under the officer's restraint. The officer leaves his knee on the man's neck for several minutes more.

Several witnesses had gathered on a nearby sidewalk, with some recording the scene on their phones. The bystanders became increasingly agitated as the man pleaded with police. One bystander tells officers they need to let him breathe. Another yells at them to check the man's pulse.

The man who died was identified as George Floyd by Ben Crump, a prominent civil rights and personal injury attorney who said he had been hired by Floyd's family.

"We all watched the horrific death of George Floyd on video as witnesses begged the police officer to take him into the police car and get off his neck," Crump said in a statement. "This abusive, excessive and inhumane use of force cost the life of a man who was being detained by the police for questioning about a non-violent charge."

Asked by reporters about the use of the knee on the man's neck, Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said the department has "policies in place regarding placing someone under control" that "will be part of the full investigation we'll do internally."

Two experts on police use of force said the officer clearly restrained the man for too long.

The man was under control and no longer fighting, said David A. Harris, a University of Pittsburgh law professor who specializes in police conduct.

Andrew Scott, a former Boca Raton, Florida, police chief who now testifies as an expert witness in use-of-force cases, agreed, saying the officers should have at least rolled him on his side so he could breathe.

The death was "a combination of not being trained properly or disregarding their training," Scott said. "He couldn't move. He was telling them he couldn't breathe, and they ignored him. I can't even describe it. It was difficult to watch."

The New York City officer in the Garner case said he was using a legal maneuver called "the seatbelt" to bring down Garner, whom police said had been resisting arrest. But the medical examiner referred to it as a chokehold in the autopsy report and said it contributed to his death. Chokehold maneuvers are banned under New York police policy.

A grand jury later decided against indicting the officers involved in Garner's death, sparking protests around the country.

In Minneapolis, kneeling on a suspect's neck is allowed under the department's use-of-force policy for officers who have received training in how to compress a neck without applying direct pressure to the airway. It is considered a "non-deadly force option," according to the department's policy handbook.

A chokehold is considered a deadly force option and involves someone obstructing the airway. According to the department's use-of-force policy, officers are to use only an amount of force necessary that would be objectively reasonable.

The police union asked the public to wait for the investigation to take its course and not to "rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers." The Hennepin County Attorney's Office, which would handle any prosecution of police on state charges, said in a statement that it was "shocked and saddened" by the video and pledged to handle the case fairly. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Minnesota declined comment.

The death came amid outrage over the death of Ahmaud Arbery, who was fatally shot Feb. 23 in Georgia after a white father and son pursued the 25-year-old black man they had spotted running in their subdivision. More than two months passed before charges were brought. Crump also represents Arbery's father.

All body camera footage in the Minneapolis case has been turned over to the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, and the agency asked to speak with anyone who saw the arrest or recorded video. The officers involved have been put on paid administrative leave, per department protocol. The agency said the officers' names will be released after initial interviews with the people involved and witnesses.

The FBI is conducting a separate federal civil rights investigation, at the request of Minneapolis police, the BCA said. Messages left with the FBI were not immediately returned.

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Re: Death by cop?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2020, 12:17:19 PM »
I don't think that knee was the cause of his death.  More likely, drugs, and a bad heart.   

At the point he went unconscious, they should have provided aid.   :-\

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Re: Death by cop?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2020, 12:19:47 PM »
I don't think that knee was the cause of his death.  More likely, drugs, and a bad heart.   

At the point he went unconscious, they should have provided aid.   :-\

Agree. For whatever reason he couldn't breath. The cops should be aware of that simple fact.


"Andrew Scott, a former Boca Raton, Florida, police chief who now testifies as an expert witness in use-of-force cases, agreed, saying the officers should have at least rolled him on his side so he could breathe."

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Re: Death by cop?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2020, 12:22:45 PM »
surely this is a culpable death and not Auberry

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2020, 12:23:11 PM »
Agree. For whatever reason he couldn't breath. The cops should be aware of that simple fact.


"Andrew Scott, a former Boca Raton, Florida, police chief who now testifies as an expert witness in use-of-force cases, agreed, saying the officers should have at least rolled him on his side so he could breathe."

He was probably having a heart attack, while he was saying, "I can't breathe".  Most people won't understand that, and will automatically jump to "police brutality".  Get ready for the BLM bullshit again. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2020, 12:28:17 PM »
He was probably having a heart attack, while he was saying, "I can't breathe".  Most people won't understand that, and will automatically jump to "police brutality".  Get ready for the BLM bullshit again. 

STFU you racist piece of shit ,if someone is telling you that he can't breathe you should help him , you don't keep choking the guy .

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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2020, 12:28:26 PM »
I can't watch it. I feel terrible for the dude on the ground. Also, know that the cop's life is over regardless of any medical issue it's his knee.

One of the things I could never do is be a city cop. Night after night trying to help people who won't help themselves and seeing the worst in people. It has to make you numb to craziness and some people are just not cut out for it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2020, 12:34:18 PM »
STFU you racist piece of shit ,if someone is telling you that he can't breathe you should help him , you don't keep choking the guy .

First of all, I'm not a racist and I'm not sure what part of my post alluded to that.  Secondly, I'll wait for the results of the autopsy, before casting judgement. 

Again, I highly doubt the knee choked him to death.  The officer wasn't even applying that much pressure.  The suspect was still able to move his head around freely.  He was not choking him. 


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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2020, 12:35:07 PM »
He was probably having a heart attack, while he was saying, "I can't breathe".  Most people won't understand that, and will automatically jump to "police brutality".  Get ready for the BLM bullshit again.

The cop had no rational reason to keep the guy under his knee when he was subdued and cuffed..that simple.

I posted the video of the black cop in SC that was shot multiple times by a black thug. No outrage there or when gang members kill women and children (First 48).

This cop caused his own problem whether there is a double standard or not.

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2020, 12:36:36 PM »
First of all, I'm not a racist and I'm not sure what part of my post alluded to that.  Secondly, I'll wait for the results of the autopsy, before casting judgement. 

Again, I highly doubt the knee choked him to death.  The officer wasn't even applying that much pressure.  The suspect was still able to move his head around freely.  He was not choking him.

It is police brutality,  the guy was completely out, why the knee on his neck

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2020, 12:38:46 PM »
There is no rational reason to keep the guy under his knee when he was subdued and cuffed..that simple.

I posted the video of the black cop in SC that was shot multiple times by a black thug. No outrage there or when gang members kill women and children (First 48).

This cop caused his own problem whether there is a double standard or not.

We have no idea, what events occurred before the camera started rolling.  For all we know, he could have been thrashing, kicking, and spitting.  So, maybe there is a rational reason, but we'll never know. 

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2020, 12:40:25 PM »
It is police brutality,  the guy was completely out, why the knee on his neck

I agree, at the point he went unconscious, there is no need to keep him pinned, and the officers should have provided aid.  It's possible that the officer didn't realize the suspect had gone unconscious.   ???

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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2020, 12:50:28 PM »
He was breathing fine.

If he couldn't breathe he wouldn't be talking.

It's more likely the knee was on his carotid artery and cut off the blood to his brain.

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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2020, 12:58:08 PM »
We have no idea, what events occurred before the camera started rolling.  For all we know, he could have been thrashing, kicking, and spitting.  So, maybe there is a rational reason, but we'll never know.

But based on the video provided we can assume it was a heart attack?

I agree, at the point he went unconscious, there is no need to keep him pinned, and the officers should have provided aid.  It's possible that the officer didn't realize the suspect had gone unconscious.   ???

This.


The guy may have been a life long criminal, murderer or rapist. He also could have been a pastor, school teacher or just someone without a criminal record. The officer could have killed him in a number of "justifiable" ways but once theyre in handcuffs and restraints choking someone out is a horrific look.

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2020, 01:21:26 PM »
cop killed him, knee on neck throat on pavement, needs to be locked up asap, not laid off 'with pay".

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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2020, 01:24:22 PM »
But based on the video provided we can assume it was a heart attack?


Yes, it is the most likely explanation.  The officer did not choke him out.  The suspect was talking, which means he could breathe.  The suspect was moving his head around, which means the officer was not applying much pressure. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2020, 01:25:22 PM »
there's black people in minnesota?!.....when did this happen

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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2020, 01:26:17 PM »
btw- can someone tell me what happened in video?

I stopped watching after I came

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« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2020, 01:27:43 PM »
Fucking bullshit. The cop acts irresponsible and now because he was white and the guy was black, that’s all we will hear about this incident. It’s stoking the flames in our country and completely unnecessary. Cop needs to be made an example of quick.

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« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2020, 01:32:31 PM »
cop killed him, knee on neck throat on pavement, needs to be locked up asap, not laid off 'with pay".

Well, four cops have been fired - for now.  Some of these guys end up reinstated.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-minneapolis-police-officers-fired-kneeling-death-video/

Four officers have been fired following the death of an unarmed black man taken into custody in Minneapolis, Mayor Jacob Frey announced on Twitter.

Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said that four officers are now "former employees" with the department, CBS Minnesota reports. Frey said the firing was the "right call."

The death of the man identified by a family attorney as George Floyd has drawn outrage after video showed an officer kneeling on Floyd's neck as he cried out that he couldn't breathe. Floyd had been arrested outside a deli on suspicion of forgery. He died later at a hospital.

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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2020, 01:42:14 PM »
Yes, it is the most likely explanation.  The officer did not choke him out.  The suspect was talking, which means he could breathe.  The suspect was moving his head around, which means the officer was not applying much pressure.

Interesting.

I wonder if that will be listed as the cause of death, completely unrelated heart attack or if they will examine what role the stress of thinking he was being choked caused his heart to fail?

Are you free to serve as the expert witness on the police officers defense?

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Re: Death by cop?
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2020, 01:43:40 PM »
If it had been a white guy and a black cop no one would know about it....

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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2020, 01:44:12 PM »
there's black people in minnesota?!.....when did this happen

Vikings and Timberwolves bro.

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2020, 01:44:46 PM »
Fucking bullshit. The cop acts irresponsible and now because he was white and the guy was black, that’s all we will hear about this incident. It’s stoking the flames in our country and completely unnecessary. Cop needs to be made an example of quick.

unfortch, but media only pushes these stories, when whites are killed by cops in record numbers (more of us I guess).
they are losing steam though I guess thanks to social media, like the n-word, means nothing these days.
the only ones who go crazy over it are insane themselves, again, so it means nada

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2020, 01:45:44 PM »
Vikings and Timberwolves bro.

wow- they really overcompensated after kirby puckett died