Multivitamins

[Tapeworm]

B12 deficiency can cause low iron levels (pernicious anaemia)

Don't use the microwave to nuke veg as it kills b12.

Take a methyl b12 supplement, if that doesn't help try a spray or patch. If it's still not helping then regular b12 injections.

Also get extra folic acid, magnesium and potassium into the diet or supplement them.

Thanks bro. Will do some reading up on that and see if her past bloodwork checked on these.

The free doctor in Australia pretty much gives you what you pay for. Not much looking into root causes to find long term solutions.

[Humble Narcissist]

Multi vitamins are good if not taken everyday.  It takes more than 24 hours to become vitamin deficient......... a lot more.

[Van_Bilderass]

What causes low iron? My girl has to get infusions every so often. It's not like we don't chow down on plenty of red meat and broccoli and supplement c.

Any advice you can give is much appreciated, VB.

PS - Why are you taking it when some guys say not to?

The drip is prescribed by a doctor. He does not know for sure why it's low. A while back I got the swineflu which put me on a respirator and I had a number of complications as a result.
I've been on a number of medications since, and regular blood work. Maybe it's the drugs, I don't know, or maybe I had it previously without knowing. I had one drip already, had to sit in the office for a half hour looking out for allergic shock.

Does your GF feel it when her iron is low, eg fatigue? I was asked if I had more energy after the drip but I couldn't really feel it. I'm feeling pretty tired now, hopefully it gives me a jolt of energy this time.

[Flexacon]

Thanks bro. Will do some reading up on that and see if her past bloodwork checked on these.

The free doctor in Australia pretty much gives you what you pay for. Not much looking into root causes to find long term solutions.

B12 deficiency can cause nausea and bloating like you mentioned. It also easy to miss when it comes to diagnosis so doctors can be reluctant to treat it. A lot of people end up having to treat themselves. The good thing is that it's pretty cheap and it's not something you need to worry about overdosing. Any extra b12 in your body will just end up in your urine.

Good luck with it.

[harmankardon1]

Who the hell knows. They are controversial among the experts who study these things. Sometimes they can be
outright harmful. For example, B vitamins seem to increase cancer rates in smokers. Some studies show increased mortality among those who take vitamins/antioxidants. Correlation or causation? Who knows. Some experts say iron should never be taken by men and copper should not be taken by anyone, unless adviced by a doctor looking at your blood work. This is why some offer multivitamins either with or without these ingredients. It's complicated.

I'm due for a iron drip next week.

It's Vitamin E that has been shown to increase cancer rates in smokers.

[Tapeworm]

The drip is prescribed by a doctor. He does not know for sure why it's low. A while back I got the swineflu which put me on a respirator and I had a number of complications as a result.
I've been on a number of medications since, and regular blood work. Maybe it's the drugs, I don't know, or maybe I had it previously without knowing. I had one drip already, had to sit in the office for a half hour looking out for allergic shock.

Does your GF feel it when her iron is low, eg fatigue? I was asked if I had more energy after the drip but I couldn't really feel it. I'm feeling pretty tired now, hopefully it gives me a jolt of energy this time.

She has made bloodwork appointments in the past based on how she feels and they inevitably recommend a transfusion. Not edge of death or anything but they prescribed. She hasn't ever gone in for bloodwork when feeling fine, however, so whose to say if that would have come back low also, since there were at least a couple heavy periods between transfusions?

She hasn't had a test or transfusion for awhile but I remember her saying she felt a bit better, but it wasn't like night and day. Mind you, there were complicating factors as well, being stressed to tears with a nightmare foster kid, who is thankfully history (violent little bastard).

You're a Swede, right? Now... you can't mention The Rona without politics running off with the damn thread but I use Sundstrom safety gear which comes from your neck of the woods. Their SR200 mask is the duck's nuts, coupled with their SR510 P3 filter which they claim filters virus sized particles, your risk would be greatly reduced.

[harmankardon1]

The drip is prescribed by a doctor. He does not know for sure why it's low. A while back I got the swineflu which put me on a respirator and I had a number of complications as a result.
I've been on a number of medications since, and regular blood work. Maybe it's the drugs, I don't know, or maybe I had it previously without knowing. I had one drip already, had to sit in the office for a half hour looking out for allergic shock.

Does your GF feel it when her iron is low, eg fatigue? I was asked if I had more energy after the drip but I couldn't really feel it. I'm feeling pretty tired now, hopefully it gives me a jolt of energy this time.

That sucks^

I have issues with fatigue myself due to severe sinus problems. It's a grind.

[loco]

Eating a mostly animal based, whole food, high fat low carb diet, these are all the multivitamins and multiminerals I need:

[Tapeworm]

B12 deficiency can cause nausea and bloating like you mentioned. It also easy to miss when it comes to diagnosis so doctors can be reluctant to treat it. A lot of people end up having to treat themselves. The good thing is that it's pretty cheap and it's not something you need to worry about overdosing. Any extra b12 in your body will just end up in your urine.

Good luck with it.

Thanks, man. That autoimmune pernicious anemia seems a likely candidate. Will investigate whether it's a periodic thing since her issues seem to come and go. Been convinced for awhile that digestive issues and iron malabsorption were likely linked.


Late here and got an early start tomorrow. Thanks for indulging me, you guys. Getbig knows all.

[Van_Bilderass]

You're a Swede, right? Now... you can't mention The Rona without politics running off with the damn thread but I use Sundstrom safety gear which comes from your neck of the woods. Their SR200 mask is the duck's nuts, coupled with their SR510 P3 filter which they claim filters virus sized particles, your risk would be greatly reduced.

Yes I'm in Sweden. I don't know if I could handle a mask like that all day, would probably feel claustrophobic.

[Van_Bilderass]

B12 deficiency can cause nausea and bloating like you mentioned. It also easy to miss when it comes to diagnosis so doctors can be reluctant to treat it. A lot of people end up having to treat themselves. The good thing is that it's pretty cheap and it's not something you need to worry about overdosing. Any extra b12 in your body will just end up in your urine.

Good luck with it.

This is something I haven't considered. Have to check if any of my contacts have those amps or ask my doc.

[Flexacon]

Multi vitamins are good if not taken everyday.  It takes more than 24 hours to become vitamin deficient......... a lot more.

Although I agree you should take extend breaks if you take fat soluble vitamins, you also wouldn't want to wait until you're deficient in something before you address it.

You'd also be surprised how many conditions can be traced back to a deficiency. Lower back problems, neurological conditions, depression, low testosterone, vision problems, heart issues, thyroid issues. In a lot of cases once the damage is done it's difficult to reverse.

[epic is back]

Who the hell knows. They are controversial among the experts who study these things. Sometimes they can be
outright harmful. For example, B vitamins seem to increase cancer rates in smokers. Some studies show increased mortality among those who take vitamins/antioxidants. Correlation or causation? Who knows. Some experts say iron should never be taken by men and copper should not be taken by anyone, unless adviced by a doctor looking at your blood work. This is why some offer multivitamins either with or without these ingredients. It's complicated.

I'm due for a iron drip next week.

would that be hemi iron my friend?

[Flexacon]

This is something I haven't considered. Have to check if any of my contacts have those amps or ask my doc.

If it does turn out to be the case try remember that you will feel worse for a while before you start feeling better.

You also mention taking a lot of medications. Are you taking a PPI? Long term use can also lead to iron deficiency .

[affeman]

I know Palumbo swears by them, but he laughs at brands like Centrum saying you can't fit all those ingredients in one pill and the vitamins they use aren't really absorbed because they're not chelated? So..not sure what's what really.

If you wanna look as good and healthy as this man then follow his advice

[Van_Bilderass]

If it does turn out to be the case try remember that you will feel worse for a while before you start feeling better.

You also mention taking a lot of medications. Are you taking a PPI? Long term use can also lead to iron deficiency .

As a matter of fact I do. After you posted I looked at causes of b12 deficiency and noticed the PPI, have read it before but had made no connection. I have had major problems with heartburn for years and lately have used a lot of omeprazole.
This last month it's gotten so bad that I need to book an appointment just for that.
I'm also nauseous with poor appetite and nausea is another symptom of b12 deficiency.

Thanks for bringing this up.
 

would that be hemi iron my friend?

You mean in the drip? I don't know, didn't even look at the bag or dose, but I guess no. Doc said he opted for an infusion because orals tend to fuck up your stomach.

[benchmstr]

Yes, I prefer mine in the form of scotch

Bench

[kreator]

Eating a mostly animal based, whole food, high fat low carb diet, these are all the multivitamins and multiminerals I need:

The truth that scares vegans to death

[Humble Narcissist]

Although I agree you should take extend breaks if you take fat soluble vitamins, you also wouldn't want to wait until you're deficient in something before you address it.

You'd also be surprised how many conditions can be traced back to a deficiency. Lower back problems, neurological conditions, depression, low testosterone, vision problems, heart issues, thyroid issues. In a lot of cases once the damage is done it's difficult to reverse.

It takes a long time to become deficient in vitamins and rarely happens in our society because our foods are enriched with vitamins.  Even things like Fruit Loops and Frosted Flakes are sprayed with vitamins and minerals.  No society on Earth throughout history had a "balanced" diet yet lived as long as we do today if they lived past childhood diseases.

[Flexacon]

It takes a long time to become deficient in vitamins and rarely happens in our society because our foods are enriched with vitamins.  Even things like Fruit Loops and Frosted Flakes are sprayed with vitamins and minerals.  No society on Earth throughout history had a "balanced" diet yet lived as long as we do today if they lived past childhood diseases.

The longer people live the more likely they are to suffer from some form of deficiency. Ageing also negatively impacts the bodies ability to absorb vitamins which leads to deficiency. Deficiency also doesn't automatically mean death, but it can cause a huge drop in the quality of your life.

Circle back to my first post in the thread on the subject of Vitamins.

Depends on your age. The older you are the more you'll benefit from them.

Also access to clean water, better working and living conditions and improved hygiene are the biggest factors in humans living longer. Extra vitamins won't help you much if you're drinking sewage contaminated water, working a 100 hours a week and waking up with icicles on your nose because you can't get your house warm. 

[oldtimer1]

I use to use protein powder, creatine and different vitamins from the alphabet. Now I only take a good multi and a protein shake after a lifting session. Does the extra protein and the multi do anything for me?  I have no clue.  I look in shape and I vainly say I look younger than my age but is that the result of supplements?  Nope, probably not. It's the result of training.

[hardgainerj]

i heard now, jarrow are using subpar ingredients

[RihanaB]

I think effectiveness of multivitamins here on the individual.

I don't take multi anymore.

I haven't had blood tests in a while but I take:

Vitamin D 2,000 to 4,000 IU D3 per day b/c I cover up every day (fierce sun).
Zinc
Milk Thistle
Dandelion Root
TMG (Trimethyclycine)
NAC
B-complex from website
Magnesium
A
Super C (every other day)
Turmeric w/ Pepperine (in addition to a Turmeric & black pepper powder w/ with water at a different time)
Wild Fish Oil for Omega-3s.
Gingo Biloba (because 50 is approaching)
ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)

[FitnessFrenzy]

Most days I take these pills:

multivitamin
flax oil
fish oil
ginger
garlic
chlorella algae, organic, broken cell wall
cranberry extract

it might be placebo, but I feel it gives me more mental energy.

[m8]

Just take a high quality supplement of what you're actually deficient in, like vitamin d3 with K2. Most multivitamins are low quality and underdosed crap.