Paul Dilette - Freak

[Humble Narcissist]

Well of course. That's why they are Mentzer fans. I thought Mentzer should have won. Certainly not Arnold. I was never a fan of Chris Dickerson's physique. And although I liked Frank Zane's build I felt he was too small to be a Mr. Olympia. Standing next to the thickly muscled Mentzer made Zane look skinny. I also never cared much for Boyer Cole's physique. He didn't have any quad sweep and had an odd condition with his abs. His waist was flat but no ab muscle. Maybe he should have taken a cue from Mentzer and train abs like any other bodypart and use progressive resistance. To make the ab muscle stronger, larger, and more developed. He had no visible ab muscle but just some kind of crease that ran across his waist just above his belly button.

John Meadows had this problem due to a surgery he had. I remember Meadows had a very flat, fat-free, waist line following surgery but no ab muscle. He was able to rectify that. But Meadows is a smart guy and probably did a lot of experimenting before he found something that worked.

Anyway, so in my subjective personal opinion, Mike was better than Dickerson, Zane, and Boyer -- all who placed ahead or equal to him (Boyer) so that would put him at first place by process of elimination.

By looking at every photo I have ever seen of the '80 Olympia I can't see how Mentzer was the best or even impressive at all.  He looks tiny next to Arnold.

[JAGO]

Mentzer was in amazing condition, but his physique had huge structural flaws. Massive joints, a torn or poorly shaped trap ( look at his back shots ) narrow shoulders and hips so fucken wide it looks as if he could have given birth.

J

[Humble Narcissist]

Mentzer was in amazing condition, but his physique had huge structural flaws. Massive joints, a torn or poorly shaped trap ( look at his back shots ) narrow shoulders and hips so fucken wide it looks as if he could have given birth.

J

Even his usual strong points, like chest and calves looked depleted.  He over dieted to the extreme.

[bigbychoices]

     For the record when i say "im done" i mean im done arguing . i cant convince stupid to become smart so why try. anyways im glad my lower case bothers you. i didnt know this was a class on writing. hhmmmm. anyways boyer never had abs. he had a trim and nice waist but never could ever get abs. just genetics. ( like bill grant could never get calves)  Also i never said that mr jerk me off made up the story about mentzer getting 300  so you are wrong once again smh. Its only been published a million times. And no i dont save stupid things to my computer. ( im sure you save all your stuff along with pics of naked boys too)  and yes louie does say "dont" let me complete a full rep.  Back to  zane and mentzer. Both looked good when they were standing alone. BUT get them next to real bodybuilders and they look horrible. zane like a starving swimmer and mike like a , well like a , um um meth head mental case with hips wide enough to drive a truck thru. no chest.  narrow shoulders ( makes heath look wide) and pretty much vanishes from the side.  Remember this. the reason most think arnold looked bad was because arnold didnt look like arnold. BUT  he was better than anyone else that day. Roger walker should of been 2nd or 3rd.  dickerson and mentzer should not of even been allowed to compete.    Back to paul dilette.  lee priest has said how lazy paul was ( and seeing him train i believe it) that instead of dieting or doing cardio he would just "up" his clen use.  lol 

[Humble Narcissist]

     For the record when i say "im done" i mean im done arguing . i cant convince stupid to become smart so why try. anyways im glad my lower case bothers you. i didnt know this was a class on writing. hhmmmm. anyways boyer never had abs. he had a trim and nice waist but never could ever get abs. just genetics. ( like bill grant could never get calves)  Also i never said that mr jerk me off made up the story about mentzer getting 300  so you are wrong once again smh. Its only been published a million times. And no i dont save stupid things to my computer. ( im sure you save all your stuff along with pics of naked boys too)  and yes louie does say "dont" let me complete a full rep.  Back to  zane and mentzer. Both looked good when they were standing alone. BUT get them next to real bodybuilders and they look horrible. zane like a starving swimmer and mike like a , well like a , um um meth head mental case with hips wide enough to drive a truck thru. no chest.  narrow shoulders ( makes heath look wide) and pretty much vanishes from the side.  Remember this. the reason most think arnold looked bad was because arnold didnt look like arnold. BUT  he was better than anyone else that day. Roger walker should of been 2nd or 3rd.  dickerson and mentzer should not of even been allowed to compete.    Back to paul dilette.  lee priest has said how lazy paul was ( and seeing him train i believe it) that instead of dieting or doing cardio he would just "up" his clen use.  lol

I agree on Roger Walker although he might have been a couple weeks away from peak condition.  Arnold did look better than everyone up on that stage from the pics I've seen.

[bigbychoices]

       yes walker got so overlooked that day. i never understood why. He didnt get much exposure in the mags and he was never a "weider ass kisser".  he always did his own thing. 

[Hypertrophy]

Have we ever settled the question of who was the last impressive natural bodybuilder of any fame? I mean really natural- no prohormones, etc etc. Seems we have to go back to the early 30's to eliminate the effect of even exogenous testosterone. What a fucking joke this sport is.

I'm not limiting my disgust to just bodybuilding, to be fair. I'm a cyclist and even in my early years  I knew guys taking amphetamines to boost their performance. I've also known guys who used EPO and blood doped. That's when I quit racing for real many years ago.

To be a truly natural athlete is the holy grail these days.

[Humble Narcissist]

Have we ever settled the question of who was the last impressive natural bodybuilder of any fame? I mean really natural- no prohormones, etc etc. Seems we have to go back to the early 30's to eliminate the effect of even exogenous testosterone. What a fucking joke this sport is.

I'm not limiting my disgust to just bodybuilding, to be fair. I'm a cyclist and even in my early years  I knew guys taking amphetamines to boost their performance. I've also known guys who used EPO and blood doped. That's when I quit racing for real many years ago.

To be a truly natural athlete is the holy grail these days.

The bodybuilders from the '40's were natural as well.  I think Bobby Pandour, from the turn of the century, was the best natty.

[pellius]

     For the record when i say "im done" i mean im done arguing . i cant convince stupid to become smart so why try. anyways im glad my lower case bothers you. i didnt know this was a class on writing. hhmmmm. anyways boyer never had abs. he had a trim and nice waist but never could ever get abs. just genetics. ( like bill grant could never get calves)  Also i never said that mr jerk me off made up the story about mentzer getting 300  so you are wrong once again smh. Its only been published a million times. And no i dont save stupid things to my computer. ( im sure you save all your stuff along with pics of naked boys too)  and yes louie does say "dont" let me complete a full rep.  Back to  zane and mentzer. Both looked good when they were standing alone. BUT get them next to real bodybuilders and they look horrible. zane like a starving swimmer and mike like a , well like a , um um meth head mental case with hips wide enough to drive a truck thru. no chest.  narrow shoulders ( makes heath look wide) and pretty much vanishes from the side.  Remember this. the reason most think arnold looked bad was because arnold didnt look like arnold. BUT  he was better than anyone else that day. Roger walker should of been 2nd or 3rd.  dickerson and mentzer should not of even been allowed to compete.    Back to paul dilette.  lee priest has said how lazy paul was ( and seeing him train i believe it) that instead of dieting or doing cardio he would just "up" his clen use.  lol

So when you say you're done you mean done arguing, yet here you are still arguing. You insist to keep this thread on topic yet here you are, again, pounding your spoon sitting in your high chair crying like a little girl.

 Just like Blacks who can't speak normal English, just like good manners, it's a testament to one's education and upbringing when they are barely literate. Even something so basic and commonplace that like capitalizing the first letter of a sentence or basic spelling and punctuation (especially with spell check) reflects on you coming across as so low-brow and uneducated. Do you have kids? If so, aren't you ashamed that they have to see their father sounding like a finger-counting hick? Probably not, you don't strike me as one who has any sense of shame. Your intellectual laziness corresponds with you physical laziness. Just look at that belt of flab you carry.

Still no proof of Dickerson's perfect score. A screen shot is automatically saved. Again, you have time for another one of your meltdowns but not do a simply goggle search. You're such a big mouth shit talker backing up nothing.

And even when I posted the video and the movie script dialogue of Lou specifically stating "let me complete a full rep" you still cannot admit you are wrong. Tell me again what a real man you are? When I have been proven wrong I readily admit it and retract my claim.

And to claim that a multiple Mr. O winner doesn't look like a "real" bodybuilder but like a starving swimmer just shows your colossal ignorance. What a skewed perspective you have on the human physique. Jeeze man, just how fat are you?

[Automation]

Pellius,

You seem to revel in confrontation. Do you ever question whether it is time well spent?

[pellius]

Pellius,

You seem to revel in confrontation. Do you ever question whether it is time well spent?

No. Pay attention. I never start a confrontation but I don't let it pass if someone comes at me. I never heard of this fat fuck before. He came at me because he disagreed with my opinions, opinions that I back with evidence, regarding Jones and Mentzer. He started to go into meltdown mold when I questioned his claims which he spouts off based on nothing but opinions such as his claim that Casey sneaked in some additional workouts during the Colorado experiment. Something he can't possibly know let alone get away with under such controlled conditions. He provides no evidence for this, and his other claims.

Most people just passively let others spout their bullshit and lies. Not me. Weeding out the liars and shit talkers is time well spent.

[Vince B]

Frank Zane was lucky. How come this physique never won the Olympia? Zane never looked huge like this.

[johnny1]

No he didn’t that’s why I asked the question you were actually around in person in that era something 95% of us didn’t see.

Why in your opinion was Zane lucky because he wasn’t as big as his competition of the era, there has to be more to it than that surely History is littered was smaller lighter structures beating bigger guys Columbu, Padilla, Makaway, Labrada, Ray, Bennazea, etc

[Automation]

Most people just passively let others spout their bullshit and lies. Not me. Weeding out the liars and shit talkers is time well spent.

In such situations (an Internet forum), I‘d just chalk it up as stupidity and move on. Whatever makes you happy, I suppose.

[Ronnie Rep]

Frank Zane was lucky. How come this physique never won the Olympia? Zane never looked huge like this.

Agree Vince.

[pellius]

In such situations (an Internet forum), I‘d just chalk it up as stupidity and move on. Whatever makes you happy, I suppose.

You sound like a very reasonable and even tempered man. Probably a happy one too.
Good for you. Sometimes I wish I could just shrugged off slights and insults. I can't so I don't. There should be a price paid for being stupid.

[Grape Ape]

In such situations (an Internet forum), I‘d just chalk it up as stupidity and move on. Whatever makes you happy, I suppose.

While I agree this is a rational approach to most things, this is the thunderdome, so fuck off!*
















* I don't really mean that, you're a good poster, Mr. Pints

[pellius]

Even his usual strong points, like chest and calves looked depleted.  He over dieted to the extreme.

Maybe you mean arms and calves. I don't think his pec were ever considered a strong point. I also never saw Mike as having wide hips. Certainly not to the extent that Arnold and say Platz had. Boyer's hips look wider in this group shot. And I never saw him as having a narrow shoulder structure either. Certainly not to the extent Arnold had somewhat low, slopping shoulder structures.

[pellius]

Agree Vince.

Back in 1979 when I was training at the first fully equipped Nautilus gym in the Hawaii, owned and operated by Hank Grundman, who created the Iron Man competition. There was this young guy who had recently competed and lost a power lifting contest in which he was the favorite to win. I remember one of the guys yelling over to him that he is like the Robby Robinson of powerlifting. Later I approached the guy and asked him what he meant because I was a fan of Robby and felt he was the best bber competing at the time. Better than Mentzer (my favorite) and Zane who was a multiple Mr. O. He told me that his friend reminded him of Robby because he could beat anybody, anywhere, at any time of the year -- except on the day of the competition.

That gave me food for thought.

[Automation]

While I agree this is a rational approach to most things, this is the thunderdome, so fuck off!*

* I don't really mean that, you're a good poster, Mr. Pints

Sign the waiver, let’s go! You’ve gone too far. I’ll not stand for this!

 

[Automation]

You sound like a very reasonable and even tempered man. Probably a happy one too.
Good for you. Sometimes I wish I could just shrugged off slights and insults. I can't so I don't. There should be a price paid for being stupid.

The compunction to respond must be too strong for you to allow a perceived slight to go unchallenged. But have you stopped to wonder whether this makes you happier, or more agitated? It may be that you are actually the one who loses in this dynamic.

And we all know that cortisol is no good for the gainz, brah!

[pellius]

The compunction to respond must be too strong for you to allow a perceived slight to go unchallenged. But have you stopped to wonder whether this makes you happier, or more agitated? It may be that you are actually the one who loses in this dynamic.

And we all know that cortisol is no good for the gainz, brah!

Well, first of all, unlike most, and probably a huge surprise to many, is that in Christianity, your own personal happiness, though important and needs to be consciously strived for, is not the most important thing and goal in one's life. Sometimes one has to give up what makes them happy, what makes someone feel good, for a greater good. If I went by just feelings I would never have discipline any of the kids I had to raise. It breaks my heart when I see a little kid cry. I don't enjoy going to the gym per se. I do not like the pain and the physical discomfort it entails. If I could be in shape without ever stepping into a gym I would be like most people and stay home and eat ice cream. I do not like arguing with demonstrably ignorant and uneducated people. I mean, look at bigbychoice. I present a video where it is obvious what Lou is saying. I present the actual transcript of the movie which further proves my point. But still he denies it. That is the kind of people I am reduced to matching wits with. It's like talking to someone that believes the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. Objective facts do not matter to the congenital stupid.

You often have to sacrifice comfort for duty and doing what you believe is right. Most are like you and just want to avoid confrontation and just blend into the background. If I ask you, or most people, if they feel they are a good person, most will reply something to the effect that "Well, I'm not perfect and I'm no angel but I don't maliciously hurt other people, I don't lie, I don't steal, I don't cheat..." They will say all the things they don't do. But what they are telling me is that they are just not bad. That's quite different from being good. To be "not bad" is to not do bad things. To be good you have to do good things.

I was taught from a very early age that one has to take an active, a proactive role, in trying to make the world, or at least your tiny corner of it, a better place. The now common quote by Edmund Burke was introduce to me when I was in the 5th grade. I took it to heart because some of the greatest evil that has been done by the world was made possible simply because other people just did nothing. They always leave it to someone else. They just want to go through life in peace and safety and not try to make a difference. Many times I am warned that someday I'm going to run into the wrong guy. I always heard that as a kid when I saw someone get away with being being a punk. I always heard it but never saw it. That's when I made a conscious decision in high school that I was going to be that wrong guy. I am going to be the one that stands up and puts the bully in his place even if things don't go my way. When someone cuts in line and then everybody looks down meekly and act like they didn't see it I say something. And I don't just say it to people I think I can take in a fight. I once told Rampage Jackson to keep quiet when he was heckling a match between John Jacques Machado and Dean Lister. Something he did not take too kindly too.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

[Humble Narcissist]

Maybe you mean arms and calves. I don't think his pec were ever considered a strong point. I also never saw Mike as having wide hips. Certainly not to the extent that Arnold and say Platz had. Boyer's hips look wider in this group shot. And I never saw him as having a narrow shoulder structure either. Certainly not to the extent Arnold had somewhat low, slopping shoulder structures.

I think Mentzer had great pecs in the photos of him on the beach.  Mentzer always looked phenomenal off stage.  At the 80 Olympia he looked lost in the crowd which is why I think he over dieted.

[pellius]

I think Mentzer had great pecs in the photos of him on the beach.  Mentzer always looked phenomenal off stage.  At the 80 Olympia he looked lost in the crowd which is why I think he over dieted.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir. It's just that is a common criticism regarding his pecs. His arms were so thick that I think it over powered his pecs a bit especially when guys like Arnold, Lou and Nubret set the standard. You don't see that kind of look anymore not because the pecs are less developement today. I can't believe that Coleman's pecs are less developed than Arnold's. It's just that the arms, and especially the delts, are so much larger these day than in the golden age.

I read where Mike claimed he was ten pounds heavier that year than the year before. When the first pics came out in magazines in 1980 he didn't strike me as looking depleted. Zane did. But not Mike. It's only many years later that I would hear that criticism. To me, he looked better than Boyer, Zane, and Dickerson.

Looks good to me.

[oldschoolfan]

Hey, you're preaching to the choir. It's just that is a common criticism regarding his pecs. His arms were so thick that I think it over powered his pecs a bit especially when guys like Arnold, Lou and Nubret set the standard. You don't see that kind of look anymore not because the pecs are less developement today. I can't believe that Coleman's pecs are less developed than Arnold's. It's just that the arms, and especially the delts, are so much larger these day than in the golden age.

I read where Mike claimed he was ten pounds heavier that year than the year before. When the first pics came out in magazines in 1980 he didn't strike me as looking depleted. Zane did. But not Mike. It's only many years later that I would hear that criticism. To me, he looked better than Boyer, Zane, and Dickerson.

Looks good to me.

hey pellius have you read, any of the  muscle  smoke and mirrors books by randy roach? they are great, i just read the third one, which is about arnold and columbos comebacks i think you would enjoy it,  randy is a nice guy he responds to emails as well.