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How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« on: September 09, 2020, 05:23:54 AM »
I never realized this until just a couple of days ago that skeletal muscle is only 20% protein. I knew that muscle, and the human body for that matter, was mostly water but would have though the actual muscle tissue was composed of much more amino acids than that. Makes you wonder how much protein your body actually needs for hypertrophy. I knew a guy from work, an older guy, about 69 years old when I knew him, that ate almost exclusively out of the vending machine. Usually Doritos and a Poweraide. Sometimes a burrito but he really liked chips. Doesn't eat breakfast and just frozen microwaveable stuff when he gets home. Sometimes he picks up two tacos from Taco Bell on his way home as he is on foot. He said he never cooks.I don't think he gets more than 30 grams of protein a day. And he has a very physical job. He's a custodian and is on his feet all day, sweeping, landscaping, collecting and taking out the trash, scrubbing and moping the bathrooms several times a day -- really busts his ass but he looks in great shape and healthy for his age.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2020, 05:26:20 AM »
I think protein is way overrated, can’t see much sense in taking in more than 100 grams daily as a weightlifter.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 06:02:54 AM »
People can eat junk food all day in small quantities and not gain any weight, as long as they burn the calories off.  He probably has a few vitamin and mineral deficiencies though.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2020, 06:04:00 AM »
                                    On this topic i will actually somewhat agree with pellious. I do believe protein is way over rated. Weider and all the other guys knew it was an easy sell because people knew muscle is meat and meat is protein etc. So they think if i eat more i will get more muscle (same with vitamins etc) So they pushed it and even today people still believe it. However its just not true. Protein needs are determined by alot of factors. One of which is how much muscle you actually have and if you are tearing muscle down via workouts or manual labor. Manual labor the body only tries to repair it back to normal since there hasnt been a huge demand of muscle breakdown ( like weight training) 
                                   Vince gironda suggested eating 20 0r 25 grams ( i could be mistaken could of been 20 or 30 grams) every 3 or 4 hours to keep amino acids higher for repair. If you notice the guys saying " i use 400 grams" a day USUALLY have a sponsor and they push their products. When rheo blair came out with his protein it wasnt so much the protein that made people grow it was the creme it was mixed with( high fat lots of calories)  oh yes and the dianabol.  lol. So its true i dont think most people need more than 100 to 150 grams a day. hell even the great sergio dieted on pepsi ( or coke) and i think oreos?  serge nubret ate once a day ( horse meat)  Bill pearl is a somewhat vegetarian and he built a good body ( of course steroids helped him too just as they have those before that i mentioned)
                                      Will i stop taking so much protein? I did years ago and i honestly dont see any difference. However if i do to much hard work and i dont eat enough protein I do feel more exhausted and like i havent recuperated. ( but i am 56 so i guess i shouldnt still be doing so much lol) Mostt will still keep their intake high because of fear. Afraid if they lower it they will lose muscle or not grow. I get it. This isnt a post about convincing people to lower theirs its just an observation by pellious and i tend to agree
                                   

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2020, 06:05:10 AM »
I think protein is way overrated, can’t see much sense in taking in more than 100 grams daily as a weightlifter.

Not overrated, but IMO anything over 100g a day isn't going to help you build more muscle.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2020, 06:25:51 AM »
You guys are hilarious.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2020, 07:27:03 AM »
Joe Weider says you need a lot.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2020, 07:29:53 AM »
no one need more than 100-150 grams of protein. No one that is using only AAS!

The thing is that besides a bunch of lies on this sport, you also have a lot of people trying very hard to be misguided.
Sometimes people just want to be lied to.

what really happens is that training only on AAS will put you in a very specific level (180-190 6%-7%), dose dependant only to a certain degree (2-3 gram total). Genetic response of course, but the top responder will have about 5-10lb more, and that's where it ends.

beyond that you will not become any bigger, no matter how much more gear you take, you will only play with water and fat.

that being said, you can figure that what makes and holds the muscle is the hormone intake, not the protein intake. You will end up in that 180-190lb no matter if ate 100g or 300gr along the road.

Beyond that you will only become bigger adding hgh, and when you add hgh is not like you HAVE to eat more protein (carbs and fats too) in order to grow, it is just that you NEED to eat a lot more otherwise you will just fade away, because then you body start needing the calorie intake.
But even then that doesn't mean you have to eat more 400g protein, you just end up adding more protein by default, since you eat more food chances are that they are rich in protein.

Now what we have? we have people that refuses to believe that and beg to be fooled. If you tell them about the hormone usage they wont believe you. But if you tell them to buy protein powders, eat 1lb of chicken breast per meal... somehow they believe this shit and start putting on fat that they latter cut and end up where they began. lol.
 

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2020, 07:43:29 AM »
        You are pretty much spot on ghcard.   And getting that protein from real food makes the difference as well.  Plus the size of a person will determine the amount of calories needed to maintain that size or grow ( and drugs will too of course)  But people believe what the mags and the "pros" sell them.  oops i meant "tell" them.   lol

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2020, 08:07:52 AM »
        You are pretty much spot on ghcard.   And getting that protein from real food makes the difference as well.  Plus the size of a person will determine the amount of calories needed to maintain that size or grow ( and drugs will too of course)  But people believe what the mags and the "pros" sell them.  oops i meant "tell" them.   lol

So whats an example of a daily diet plan for someone looking to retain muscle while getting leaner if not tons of protein? CARBS? FATS?

No way you're getting lean eating more carbs and fats

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2020, 08:18:46 AM »
So whats an example of a daily diet plan for someone looking to retain muscle while getting leaner if not tons of protein? CARBS? FATS?

No way you're getting lean eating more carbs and fats
Get leaner?  Eat slightly under your daily calorie requirement and lose weight very slowly over several  months while lifting weights.  Losing some muscle is a given.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2020, 08:33:18 AM »
Get leaner?  Eat slightly under your daily calorie requirement and lose weight very slowly over several  months while lifting weights.  Losing some muscle is a given.

of carbs/fats? .. no you need tons of protein imo

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2020, 08:47:50 AM »
of carbs/fats? .. no you need tons of protein imo
Balanced diet is all you need with slight calorie deficit over time.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2020, 09:23:16 AM »
guy who owns the gym I go was vegan, his only protein sources are a couple of eggs and 45gms protein shake at night, this last few months he has packed on 4st of muscle tissue, previously he was totally vegan and ate zero protein sources, one meal a day of a pile of steamed veg, he was 160lb.

He still only has the one meal of veg but has 2 boiled eggs with it and the shake at night

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2020, 09:47:49 AM »
Go to Cbass.com.  Go to nutrition.  Plenty of good research to read on the topic.  https://www.cbass.com/Protein_Muscle.htm

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2020, 09:57:59 AM »
You never checked labels on meat in supermarkets?  ???

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2020, 10:00:05 AM »
                                            There is no magic  to getting lean. Burn more than you take in. Period. Not drastically but say you eat 2000 calories but you burn 2300. You just got rid of 300 calories and hopefully its from fat. The body doesnt go into starvation mode and start burning muscle.( hopefully)  But if you cut the calories to much the body will burn muscle for energy. And yes you can lose fat eating just carbs or just fat or just protein or a combination of them all. The "trick" is to just burn more than you eat. people are so mislead. watch the commercials now on tv. All about "protein" for energy etc or protein packed etc. Because people think they can eat alot of protein and not gain weight. Same way with keto. They think they can eat anything that has fat and not worry cuz they are doing keto and then they gain 20 lbs. LMAO. ( keto works great by the way but only when done properly and its not for everyone)

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2020, 10:10:44 AM »
Didn't someone once say that "a calorie is a calorie?"

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2020, 10:52:08 AM »
                                            There is no magic  to getting lean. Burn more than you take in. Period. Not drastically but say you eat 2000 calories but you burn 2300. You just got rid of 300 calories and hopefully its from fat. The body doesnt go into starvation mode and start burning muscle.( hopefully)  But if you cut the calories to much the body will burn muscle for energy. And yes you can lose fat eating just carbs or just fat or just protein or a combination of them all. The "trick" is to just burn more than you eat. people are so mislead. watch the commercials now on tv. All about "protein" for energy etc or protein packed etc. Because people think they can eat alot of protein and not gain weight. Same way with keto. They think they can eat anything that has fat and not worry cuz they are doing keto and then they gain 20 lbs. LMAO. ( keto works great by the way but only when done properly and its not for everyone)

You are absolutely right, that's the way to get lean, burning more than you eat can put you in any bodyfat % you want.

I deeply apologize if I sound like a asshole, but when we go into the trouble of giving an answer I think we need to go a little further than that.

What I mean is that although this is the way to get lean we have to keep in mind that lean is not equal to shredded as in photoshoot ready, and I think that is the goal when someone try to get lean in bodybuilding terms.

Even though you can get to 7-8% merly eating less than you burn off, one thing that you have to know, that nobody seems to tell, is that you can and will! look like shit even at 7% if you don't know what the fuck are you doing.

Its far for being rocket science, but in order to look photoshoot shredded you need to know the best ratio for the macros, that works best for you and help you achieve the body composition you want.
You also have to know how to play with sodium, diuretics and stimulants like ephedrine.

No one can have that kind of look out of nowhere, even if lean you have to prepare yourself.

It is very common to see fellas walking around 8% looking like michelin man and disappointed on how they seem to never look good even if they are in a caloric deficit for 30weeks. They think that there is some kind of secret on how guys get prepared in 16 weeks, they think that getting shredded is some kind of magical knowledge or ability or god know what

Like you said, there is no magic, but to one be able to pull this off he need to have lots of trial and error under his belt, and I mean really trial, taking the time needed to really see what works for you.

The best one can look for is having the correct guidelines in different approaches, but there is no other way around than trial and error in your own body.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2020, 11:05:39 AM »
You are absolutely right, that's the way to get lean, burning more than you eat can put you in any bodyfat % you want.

I deeply apologize if I sound like a asshole, but when we go into the trouble of giving an answer I think we need to go a little further than that.

What I mean is that although this is the way to get lean we have to keep in mind that lean is not equal to shredded as in photoshoot ready, and I think that is the goal when someone try to get lean in bodybuilding terms.

Even though you can get to 7-8% merly eating less than you burn off, one thing that you have to know, that nobody seems to tell, is that you can and will! look like shit even at 7% if you don't know what the fuck are you doing.

Its far for being rocket science, but in order to look photoshoot shredded you need to know the best ratio for the macros, that works best for you and help you achieve the body composition you want.
You also have to know how to play with sodium, diuretics and stimulants like ephedrine.

No one can have that kind of look out of nowhere, even if lean you have to prepare yourself.

It is very common to see fellas walking around 8% looking like michelin man and disappointed on how they seem to never look good even if they are in a caloric deficit for 30weeks. They think that there is some kind of secret on how guys get prepared in 16 weeks, they think that getting shredded is some kind of magical knowledge or ability or god know what

Like you said, there is no magic, but to one be able to pull this off he need to have lots of trial and error under his belt, and I mean really trial, taking the time needed to really see what works for you.

The best one can look for is having the correct guidelines in different approaches, but there is no other way around than trial and error in your own body.
Unless you are juicing you will never get ripped with any appreciable amount of muscle.  Look at bodybuilders from the 1940's.  The Mr. America and Mr. Universe winners were sitting on at least 10% bodyfat and some were 12-15%.  These were the best in the world!  Even Universe. ;D

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2020, 12:26:55 PM »
Unless you are juicing you will never get ripped with any appreciable amount of muscle.  Look at bodybuilders from the 1940's.  The Mr. America and Mr. Universe winners were sitting on at least 10% bodyfat and some were 12-15%.  These were the best in the world!  Even Universe. ;D
Truth.  If you are natty and diet down to low bf% you will look like you escaped Auschwitz.   It's idiotic for judges to demand very low bf% in natty contests.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2020, 12:30:40 PM »
guy who owns the gym I go was vegan, his only protein sources are a couple of eggs and 45gms protein shake at night, this last few months he has packed on 4st of muscle tissue, previously he was totally vegan and ate zero protein sources, one meal a day of a pile of steamed veg, he was 160lb.

He still only has the one meal of veg but has 2 boiled eggs with it and the shake at night

A stone is 14lbs right?  So, this guy gains 56 lbs of muscle eating a plate of veggies, a shake and 2 eggs?  And what is he on?

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2020, 12:44:50 PM »
U need atleast 200 gram protein if over 200
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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2020, 12:56:48 PM »
U need atleast 200 gram protein if over 200
That's what uncle Joe said so you would buy his protein supplements.

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Re: How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2020, 01:46:19 PM »
People can eat junk food all day in small quantities and not gain any weight, as long as they burn the calories off.  He probably has a few vitamin and mineral deficiencies though.

As I said, doesn't eat much. Doritos and Poweraide for lunch, two tacos and a Coke from Taco Bell for dinner. I'm sure he has some vitamin deficiencies but, for this topic, it's how does he maintain muscle mass with so little protein considering he has a very physically active job. That why it calls into question do we really need as much protein as we are led to believe. I mean, how much protein does a 500 lb gorilla get being mostly herbivores with the occasion treat of termites and ants.