How much is skeletal muscle compose of protein

[Humble Narcissist]

no way.. never unless its a water fast for health reasons.

IF is pure shit for getting lean... and yes.. leads to a slower metabolism 100%

I did IF for a full year including 6 months of 1 meal a day and I got pretty lean.  Joe Rogan seems to like it as does Megan Fox.

[ThisisOverload]

I did IF for a full year including 6 months of 1 meal a day and I got pretty lean.  Joe Rogan seems to like it as does Megan Fox.

Leanest i've ever been was doing IF for 5 months.  I don't find it very sustainable, but damn i got ripped as hell so quickly it was insane.  I did two medium sized meals a day in a period of about 8 hours.  Lots of coffee in the morning and very little cardio.  As long as i spaced out my meals correctly i felt fine.  I'm not sure i'd do it again, but it works for getting lean.

[Vince B]

Congratulations Pellius! Getbig Man of the Year!

[TheGrinch]

Leanest i've ever been was doing IF for 5 months.  I don't find it very sustainable, but damn i got ripped as hell so quickly it was insane.  I did two medium sized meals a day in a period of about 8 hours.  Lots of coffee in the morning and very little cardio.  As long as i spaced out my meals correctly i felt fine.  I'm not sure i'd do it again, but it works for getting lean.

I intermittent fast every day for 8 hours while I'm sleeping..lol

[Teutonic Knight 1]

Pellius, you should do 'DNA Sport Test' you'll get many infos about body composition !.

[Tapeworm]

means nothing I guess but...

Every single person I've ever met in my life who was <10% bodyfat,  ate 200g+ of protein per day, minimal carbs, tons of veggies divided up 5-7 meals and rotated calories between under and over their daily expenditure + doing tons of empty stomach cardio and looked amazing despite their genetics.

Every single person I've met who tried to get lean but were over 15%+ body fat, ate 2-3x per day, zone style diet, healthy balanced meals, no cardio (they said they'd lose muscle) but ate under maintenance every day and either had the "bloofy" or "skinny fat" look depending on their genetics.

I concur. High protein while in calorie debt is essential.

[pellius]

Pellius, you should do 'DNA Sport Test' you'll get many infos about body composition !.

And where do you actually get a DNA Sport Test, the cost, and what will it tell me? I don't, and never really cared, about what body fat percentage, body weight, or height someone claims or I claim. If you look like a short fatso then you're a short fatso and whatever numbers you claim is meaningless

[pellius]

Congratulations Pellius! Getbig Man of the Year!

Vince, as per our agreement, I will let this one offense past and continue to honor our past agreement for a truce. Are you sure you want to start up with me again and start posting photoshop pictures?

[pellius]

It's fine and proper to question things. But you act like you yourself aren't subject to biases. We see this all the time from you, you love science or "science" when it agrees with your biases and you always see bias in the research when it goes against your beliefs. it's always this, "what is the test of truth for what you believe" wrt to drugs or training. In this case you think the science from 60 years ago is more correct. Fine, whatever. You also have the DOMS theory, which is very theoretical to say the least, but then you question everyone else's suspicions or beliefs even when they have more ground to stand on.

We do have a lot of anecdotal reports and they can't be totally dismissed, you would go nowhere in any area if you waited for some absolute proof of anything. One thing that is interesting, is when you you look at the natural bodybuilders, or "natural" bodybuilders, is how they get in insane shape following this new science of high protein during prep as well as tracking calorie intakes very precisely unlike in the past, generally doing thing pretty "scientifically". They are small but get so ripped, which no one in your generation did, not one bb had ripped glutes and christmas trees like almost any of the more well known bbers do nowadays. Protein is more expensive yes, but it also doesn't seem to hurt to overshoot this macro a bit. I would rather take in a bit of excess protein than the reverse, but that's just me.

Vince has always ignored current studies, in which there are many, that conflicts with his bias. He always mocks others for acting or speaking as experts when none do. Not a single person here has ever claimed to be an expert. They present their points and invite others to comment and critique. Only Vince has explicitly stated that he is a "Hypertrophy Expert". A claim in which their is no objective or official evidence presented. Just his opinion. That hypocrisy, and the arrogance in which it is presented, is what is so off-putting to most people here.

These are just two, of the many out there, scientific studies from widely recognized and credible sources. And then we are asked by Vince that you have to keep a muscle under a continuous state of DOMS because he claims he, one subject, put on so much size (presumably muscle but still not clear) on his arms. Something he can't prove nor can he duplicate despite his claim that age is no hindrance to increasing muscle mass.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28656141/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26817506/

[Vince B]

Vince, as per our agreement, I will let this one offense past and continue to honor our past agreement for a truce. Are you sure you want to start up with me against and start posting photoshop pictures?

Lol. No offence meant. Just having a go at editing. Made you look much younger.

[pellius]

That's you in the red shirt?  I thought you were bald or had a crew cut.
Or was that someone else in the photo on the beach?  I probably got you mixed up with someone else.

I have posted pics of myself on the beach. I was never bald. I often cut my hair short especially when I was with the DOD as my division worked closely with the military.

During my kick-ass anti-Communist days during the Reagan/Bush years I always wore a crew cut.

 

[pellius]

Getting under 10% bodyfat will emaciate a person unless they are using gear.

Not really, go to any hood in your area late afternoon and check out the public basketball courts. You'll see random nigs, both men and woman, looking pretty jacked and ripped when all they live on is Popeyes and Pepsi and the only exercise they get is some b-ball and running from the Popo.

[pellius]

agreed but not my point..... all cases in the above scenario I posted were all doing the same.... both on stuff.

only difference between all of them was their diet, calories didn't matter.. frequency of eating and tons of protein mattered

genetics is what mattered.

[hazbin]

genetics is what mattered.

if you poor 1 scoop of protein into a cup of water it is considered 100% protein. wouldn't muscle be the same?

[pellius]

Lol. No offence meant. Just having a go at editing. Made you look much younger.

I've been tempted to make some jokes as well but considering our history and the truce mutually agreed upon I thought it best to leave well enough alone and not test the waters or push the envelope. And I'm 59 years old in that picture. Compared to what most people that age look like I'm not too overly concerned with looking too old for my age and need photo touch ups.

Jon Bon Jovi 58 years old



Milos Sarcev 56 years old



Cal Ripken 60 years old

[pellius]

if you poor 1 scoop of protein into a cup of water it is considered 100% protein. wouldn't muscle be the same?

The water doesn't count? Maybe the powder can be pure protein. And if it's 20 grams of protein it will still be 20 grams whether it's a cup or a gallon. Would you still think the same if you had to drink a cup versus a gallon? But wouldn't you say that there is a difference in composition if that 20 grams was in a cup of water or in a swimming pool?

Say, I had a cup of water and right next to it a scoop of protein. Now you have two distinct things. One is 100% water and the other 100% protein. If I combine the two distinct items does it now become just 100% protein?

Obviously water counts, it is obvious in the case of muscle as in advance bbing and getting on stage, the days, hours and often minutes before that time, it all becomes a matter of water retention.

[Vince B]

Vince has always ignored current studies, in which there are many, that conflicts with his bias. He always mocks others for acting or speaking as experts when none do. Not a single person here has ever claimed to be an expert. They present their points and invite others to comment and critique. Only Vince has explicitly stated that he is a "Hypertrophy Expert". A claim in which their is no objective or official evidence presented. Just his opinion. That hypocrisy, and the arrogance in which it is presented, is what is so off-putting to most people here.

These are just two, of the many out there, scientific studies from widely recognized and credible sources. And then we are asked by Vince that you have to keep a muscle under a continuous state of DOMS because he claims he, one subject, put on so much size (presumably muscle but still not clear) on his arms. Something he can't prove nor can he duplicate despite his claim that age is no hindrance to increasing muscle mass.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28656141/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26817506/

Well, who else on Getbig has offered a theory of hypertrophy? I never said one has to keep a muscle sore to grow. What I said was that might be a short cut to rapid growth. It worked for me. Nowadays it isn't so easy to train hard and often enough to get and stay sore and hence, grow rapidly. At best one stays the same which is okay when you are 78 in 10 days.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level so have some idea about conjectures and refutations. So far no one on Getbig has refuted my theory.
Van B has challenged me often in the past. He has presented nothing new re hypertrophy yet criticises what I present.

[Tapeworm]

Well, who else on Getbig has offered a theory of hypertrophy? I never said one has to keep a muscle sore to grow. What I said was that might be a short cut to rapid growth. It worked for me. Nowadays it isn't so easy to train hard and often enough to get and stay sore and hence, grow rapidly. At best one stays the same which is okay when you are 78 in 10 days.
I have studied the philosophy of science at the graduate level so have some idea about conjectures and refutations. So far no one on Getbig has refuted my theory.
Van B has challenged me often in the past. He has presented nothing new re hypertrophy yet criticises what I present.

You're not saying that you need to keep a muscle sore to grow but soreness might be a shortcut to rapid growth?

Claiming that a lack of refutation for a theory which you've never elucidated constitutes proof that the never clearly posited theory is correct...well.

Maybe it is correct. It would be nice if you finally told us clearly, plainly, and precisely what this famous theory is.

[Vince B]

I've been tempted to make some jokes as well but considering our history and the truce mutually agreed upon I thought it best to leave well enough alone and not test the waters or push the envelope. And I'm 59 years old in that picture. Compared to what most people that age look like I'm not too overly concerned with looking too old for my age and need photo touch ups.

We all have to laugh at ourselves at times. I made you younger so that the image resembled the Mad cover posted earlier.

[Vince B]

You're not saying that you need to keep a muscle sore to grow but soreness might be a shortcut to rapid growth?

Claiming that a lack of refutation for a theory which you've never elucidated constitutes proof that the never clearly posited theory is correct...well.

Maybe it is correct. It would be nice if you finally told us clearly, plainly, and precisely what this famous theory is.

There are two articles in Ironman magazine that were published in 2000 and 2001 that outline what I claim. I will see if I can find them.

[Tapeworm]

Alright but I haven't got all day.

[Marty Champions]

Pellius is robot man posing as a getbig troll ,looks like a modern frankenstein

[Vince B]

You're not saying that you need to keep a muscle sore to grow but soreness might be a shortcut to rapid growth?

Claiming that a lack of refutation for a theory which you've never elucidated constitutes proof that the never clearly posited theory is correct...well.

Maybe it is correct. It would be nice if you finally told us clearly, plainly, and precisely what this famous theory is.

Pellius, Van B and I debated protein and hypertrophy here on Getbig.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=634737.0

[Marty Champions]

Pellius, Van B and I debated protein and hypertrophy here on Getbig.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=634737.0

any discoveries by basil belong to basilicata
All exercise incursions are muted by lack of simplification and turn into a comedy central soap opera skit

[Vince B]

Alright but I haven't got all day.

Found one article I wrote for Ironman Magazine.

https://www.ironmanmagazine.com/max-muscle-tension/